| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment 15:12 - Feb 11 with 37967 views | Jimmy86 |
It would seem that calling a police officer stupid and white is acceptable in today's society..
Imagine the uproar if that particular slur had been used against someone of BAME origin.. think the sentence and certainly reaction to it would have been different |  | | |  |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:04 - Feb 12 with 1272 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 08:57 - Feb 12 by bluelagos |
Not going to get dragged into a long debate, bit I will challenge one comment.
And I'll agree that if she had used a racial slur in a derogatory manner then she should face consequences just as a white person would.
But I don't believe that is what happened. Having watched the full exchange (is on YouTube...30+ mins) it is clear that she was exasperated at the police not accepting that they felt scared and for not properly investigating her allegations.
Rightly or wrongly, she was challenging the copper and the fact that he was siding with the cab driver (in her opinion)
She called him stupid and white, she didn't use it as a slur, rather as a way of pointing out (clumsily) his privilege.
Just using the words "stupid and white" is no more a crime than using the words "stupid and black". On their own they are fairly harmless, but there are scenarios where they are used as an insult or will cause alarm etc. where they could be seen as criminal.
Using them in a police station, as part of a disagreement with a copper, I just don't for a second buy the argument that she was racially abusing said copper or that he felt alarmed or distressed. And clearly neither did the jury.
My thoughts and I won't say any more as it's OK to disagree. If you feel said copper was alarmed/harassed then that's cool. But I certainly don't and doubt many would who have seen the full exchange.
She was drunk, boorush, unpleasant, repetitive but none of that in itself is criminal thankfully.
Just my thoughts on why there really isn't any double standards here. |
Respect the reasoned reply and understand your point.. kerr doesn't come out of this particularly well | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:11 - Feb 12 with 1227 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:00 - Feb 12 by Mullet |
I've read the whole thread and don't really understand how it's taken 8 pages to get to this point.
You seem a bit snowflakey on this issue and massively overreacting, luckily waveney has blown you out of the water with his weapons grade flouncing.
Doesn't the fact there is a different reaction to a non-white woman in this position just show the massive problems in society over time that doesn't affect us white blokes? Saying "well it'd be different" just underlines the historical imbalances doesn't it?
Given how worse incidents involving say Joey Barton or out own Lee Bowyer were covered, then largely forgotten about aren't you just blowing this all out of proportion? No one thinks she's right after all. |
Nothing snowflake about me mate.. I hate snowflakes and the woke society we live in nowadays..
My issue is that we all speak of equality, yet this situation is an example of it being anything but.. what she did was wrong, regardless of whether she's a women or not..
Maybe what I've overreacted to is the context as to why she used the officer's ethnicity in that exchange.. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:13 - Feb 12 with 1220 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:11 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
Nothing snowflake about me mate.. I hate snowflakes and the woke society we live in nowadays..
My issue is that we all speak of equality, yet this situation is an example of it being anything but.. what she did was wrong, regardless of whether she's a women or not..
Maybe what I've overreacted to is the context as to why she used the officer's ethnicity in that exchange.. |
There are several explanations in this thread, based on the evidence, of why she referenced his ethnicity. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:16 - Feb 12 with 1203 views | Bigalhunter |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 08:52 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
I've said I don't have an issue with the jury on multiple occasions.. their verdict is based on the evidence put to them.. clearly Kerr's defence counsel did their job in getting her off..
Whatever way you look at it, it's clear Kerr hasn't come out of this well.. think that's fair to say...
Still maintain the public reaction to this would have been entirely different if the slur was aimed at a BAME officer, but that's my opinion.. the reference to skin colour used in that context would have been deemed racist |
Twenty odd people on here, the police and cps and a huge majority of Daily Mail readers clearly agree with you.
You don’t have a problem with the jury.
No one is saying that she behaved well.
Your sole beef lies with the fact that five or six posters on here didn’t give you an uppy and explained politely and reasonably why they disagreed with your claim of double standards.
I’d take that as a win and move on to something else now. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:28 - Feb 12 with 1114 views | leitrimblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:56 - Feb 11 by Jimmy86 |
I'm not a snowflake.. I hate snowflakes and the woke generation, where people are offended by the slightest thing.. but, if she had referenced a BAME officers skin colour, after calling him stupid it would be labelled racist.. why is Kerr's behaviour not considered as such, because the officer is white?! |
'I'm not a snowflake..I hate snowflakes and the woke generation, where people are offended by the slightest thing' eeeeeerrrrrrrrmmmmmm  |  | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:38 - Feb 12 with 1047 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:11 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
Nothing snowflake about me mate.. I hate snowflakes and the woke society we live in nowadays..
My issue is that we all speak of equality, yet this situation is an example of it being anything but.. what she did was wrong, regardless of whether she's a women or not..
Maybe what I've overreacted to is the context as to why she used the officer's ethnicity in that exchange.. |
Seriously you won't win.
Most of the posters who agree with you/me have moved on and the only ones left are the usual sanctimonious mob who will question and downvote everytime you reply.
A quick glance at social media will tell you that the vast majority agree with you.
Ps, please don't forget to downvote this gang. [Post edited 12 Feb 9:39]
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:43 - Feb 12 with 993 views | DJR |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:38 - Feb 12 by waveneyblue |
Seriously you won't win.
Most of the posters who agree with you/me have moved on and the only ones left are the usual sanctimonious mob who will question and downvote everytime you reply.
A quick glance at social media will tell you that the vast majority agree with you.
Ps, please don't forget to downvote this gang. [Post edited 12 Feb 9:39]
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I wouldn't regard my comments as sanctimonious, and I never down vote. |  | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:45 - Feb 12 with 983 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:43 - Feb 12 by DJR |
I wouldn't regard my comments as sanctimonious, and I never down vote. |
Good for you | | | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:45 - Feb 12 with 980 views | positivity |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:38 - Feb 12 by waveneyblue |
Seriously you won't win.
Most of the posters who agree with you/me have moved on and the only ones left are the usual sanctimonious mob who will question and downvote everytime you reply.
A quick glance at social media will tell you that the vast majority agree with you.
Ps, please don't forget to downvote this gang. [Post edited 12 Feb 9:39]
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"social media proves you're in the vast majority". and therein lies the problem with this snowflake anti-"woke" culture worrier community! | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:48 - Feb 12 with 967 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:45 - Feb 12 by positivity |
"social media proves you're in the vast majority". and therein lies the problem with this snowflake anti-"woke" culture worrier community! |
"Therein lies the problem"
People having different opinions to me... | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:49 - Feb 12 with 963 views | Whos_blue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 08:52 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
I've said I don't have an issue with the jury on multiple occasions.. their verdict is based on the evidence put to them.. clearly Kerr's defence counsel did their job in getting her off..
Whatever way you look at it, it's clear Kerr hasn't come out of this well.. think that's fair to say...
Still maintain the public reaction to this would have been entirely different if the slur was aimed at a BAME officer, but that's my opinion.. the reference to skin colour used in that context would have been deemed racist |
I still remain amazed that we still don't understand the very basis of our justice system.
The bedrock of our criminal justice system is for the Crown (prosecution) to prove beyond reasonable doubt the case against the defendant.
The defence don't have to prove anything.
It is never a case of the defence getting someone off. It will always be the prosecution weren't able to prove beyond reasonable doubt.
It always depends on which side of the arguement you sit on as to how affronted we are by the verdict.
So "getting someone off" could be a good thing or a bad thing.
In this case the insinuation (apologies if I've misunderstood this) is that you feel it is the wrong outcome. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:51 - Feb 12 with 952 views | NedPlimpton |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:38 - Feb 12 by waveneyblue |
Seriously you won't win.
Most of the posters who agree with you/me have moved on and the only ones left are the usual sanctimonious mob who will question and downvote everytime you reply.
A quick glance at social media will tell you that the vast majority agree with you.
Ps, please don't forget to downvote this gang. [Post edited 12 Feb 9:39]
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Is the sanctimonious mob the same as the Guardian-reading, tofu-eating wokerati and, dare I say, the anti-growth coalition?
I don't think it's as catchy |  | | |
| This has got 10 pages and.... on 09:55 - Feb 12 with 908 views | C_Jam_Blue |
| This has got 10 pages and.... on 15:42 - Feb 11 by bluelagos |
Donald is a regular church goer who has always lived his life by the 10 commandments and any suggestion otherwise merely confirms your membership of the lefty bumfest that Twtd has descended into over recent years. |
When he gets to the pearly gates he might need to use his negotiating skills around Commandment 6 (about committing adultery), 7 (thou shalt not steal), 9 (about lusting after a neighbour's wife), 10 (coveting a neighbours house etc, like Greenland!). Apart from that he should be fine. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:56 - Feb 12 with 901 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:49 - Feb 12 by Whos_blue |
I still remain amazed that we still don't understand the very basis of our justice system.
The bedrock of our criminal justice system is for the Crown (prosecution) to prove beyond reasonable doubt the case against the defendant.
The defence don't have to prove anything.
It is never a case of the defence getting someone off. It will always be the prosecution weren't able to prove beyond reasonable doubt.
It always depends on which side of the arguement you sit on as to how affronted we are by the verdict.
So "getting someone off" could be a good thing or a bad thing.
In this case the insinuation (apologies if I've misunderstood this) is that you feel it is the wrong outcome. |
My insinuation isn't about the verdict itself, it's about the fact it would be viewed differently had the same slur been used against an officer of BAME origin, as opposed to a white officer.. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:57 - Feb 12 with 883 views | StokieBlue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:56 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
My insinuation isn't about the verdict itself, it's about the fact it would be viewed differently had the same slur been used against an officer of BAME origin, as opposed to a white officer.. |
Viewed differently by whom?
SB |  | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:58 - Feb 12 with 879 views | Whos_blue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:38 - Feb 12 by waveneyblue |
Seriously you won't win.
Most of the posters who agree with you/me have moved on and the only ones left are the usual sanctimonious mob who will question and downvote everytime you reply.
A quick glance at social media will tell you that the vast majority agree with you.
Ps, please don't forget to downvote this gang. [Post edited 12 Feb 9:39]
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But the algorithms used by social media platforms will only ever feed you stuff you'll want to hear.
I'm not leaping in to have a go. It's more a friendly warning about not living by what you see on social media. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:58 - Feb 12 with 873 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:28 - Feb 12 by leitrimblue |
'I'm not a snowflake..I hate snowflakes and the woke generation, where people are offended by the slightest thing' eeeeeerrrrrrrrmmmmmm |
I'm not offended by the "slightest thing" I'm not offended by what she said.. I'm not offended by anything, other than the hypocrisy of it all..
What she did was wrong, all I've done is say that.. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:03 - Feb 12 with 843 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:57 - Feb 12 by StokieBlue |
Viewed differently by whom?
SB |
The BAME community for a start.. if anyone had ever labelled a police officer "stupid and black" it would be deemed racist, would it not??
You'd jump on that and call it out.. you know you would.. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:04 - Feb 12 with 825 views | Whos_blue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:56 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
My insinuation isn't about the verdict itself, it's about the fact it would be viewed differently had the same slur been used against an officer of BAME origin, as opposed to a white officer.. |
Ok, but you can't know that. You can only summise.
We can only comment on the case that was put to the jury. Hypothesising (?) is only useful for a general discussion. It doesn't change the facts around this case, nor the outcome.
FWIW I think based on the evidence, the jury have arrived at the correct outcome.
That doesn't mean I don't think Kerr comes across well. But that is not a crime. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:08 - Feb 12 with 802 views | leitrimblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:58 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
I'm not offended by the "slightest thing" I'm not offended by what she said.. I'm not offended by anything, other than the hypocrisy of it all..
What she did was wrong, all I've done is say that.. |
Feck, don't wanna see the level of blubbing you must reach when you are offended then. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:09 - Feb 12 with 791 views | leitrimblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:11 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
Nothing snowflake about me mate.. I hate snowflakes and the woke society we live in nowadays..
My issue is that we all speak of equality, yet this situation is an example of it being anything but.. what she did was wrong, regardless of whether she's a women or not..
Maybe what I've overreacted to is the context as to why she used the officer's ethnicity in that exchange.. |
If it walks like a snowflake and quacks like a snowflake | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:13 - Feb 12 with 756 views | positivity |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:48 - Feb 12 by waveneyblue |
"Therein lies the problem"
People having different opinions to me... |
nope, just the snowflakes who slavishly repeat everything they're told to worry about on social media as fact! | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:20 - Feb 12 with 687 views | Ryorry |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:48 - Feb 12 by waveneyblue |
"Therein lies the problem"
People having different opinions to me... |
Plenty of people in the thread have taken the time and trouble to explain why they disagree with you, including explanations of why the perspective of someone with a different ethnicity and gender could be different from yours if you are a white male.
Would be great if you took similar time and trouble to read up on this issue in order to try and understand it, instead of wasting your time by just blindly continuing to argue against it.
Possible starting point (after just a quick search) -
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12136140/black-all-lives-matter |  |
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