| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment 15:12 - Feb 11 with 36898 views | Jimmy86 |
It would seem that calling a police officer stupid and white is acceptable in today's society..
Imagine the uproar if that particular slur had been used against someone of BAME origin.. think the sentence and certainly reaction to it would have been different |  | | |  |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:33 - Feb 12 with 1727 views | itfcjoe |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 15:48 - Feb 12 by DJR |
Picking up on Robertson's reference to alarm or distress, it looks like what she was charged with had two elements.
Kerr pleaded not guilty to the offence of intentionally causing harassment, alarm, or distress to another by using threatening, abusive, or insulting words under Section 4A of the Public Order Act 1986, and to the racial aggravation of the offence per the Crime and Disorder Act 1998.
It's difficult to see how one of three policeman in a police station with two females could be said to have suffered alarm or distress by what she said (especially given that he didn't even raise the wording used for some time), so that may well be the clincher before going on to determine whether there was any question of racial aggravation, which would only kick in if the first element were proved.
As Robertson suggests, I am sure there are other lesser Public Order Act type offences she could have been charged with. [Post edited 12 Feb 15:52]
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He says at the time in the station 'you don't need to be racist with me' and that she is 'under arrest for racially aggravated public order' so I don't understand the whole point about how it wasn't raised for some time and added to statement later part of it. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:35 - Feb 12 with 1716 views | Ryorry |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 14:13 - Feb 12 by bazza |
If someone called me stupid and white, I’d probably just say they were a pretty good judge of character. [Post edited 12 Feb 14:20]
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I think it'd be a good idea to avoid calling any police officer "stupid" for anyone pulled up by them who wants to minimise the consequent impact on their lives for the following few hours or longer though! |  |
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| Give it a rest pal.... on 16:37 - Feb 12 with 1699 views | blueasfook |
| Give it a rest pal.... on 16:26 - Feb 12 by positivity |
not according to bloots. move on.
he has and i had [Post edited 12 Feb 16:27]
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Bloots is allowed. Move on. |  |
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| Give it a rest pal.... on 16:41 - Feb 12 with 1642 views | positivity |
| Give it a rest pal.... on 16:37 - Feb 12 by blueasfook |
Bloots is allowed. Move on. |
lucky old bloots. move on. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:42 - Feb 12 with 1624 views | positivity |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:35 - Feb 12 by Ryorry |
I think it'd be a good idea to avoid calling any police officer "stupid" for anyone pulled up by them who wants to minimise the consequent impact on their lives for the following few hours or longer though! |
probably best avoided for anyone, not just police officers! | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:43 - Feb 12 with 1638 views | DJR |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:33 - Feb 12 by itfcjoe |
He says at the time in the station 'you don't need to be racist with me' and that she is 'under arrest for racially aggravated public order' so I don't understand the whole point about how it wasn't raised for some time and added to statement later part of it. |
Sorry, I haven't really followed the case, and was only looking at the law, having been prompted to do by what Geoffrey Robertson said. And if I'm reading what he said, and the law. correctly, it is not clear to me that that the police officer suffered alarm or distress by what she said (as opposed to anger), which is a hurdle that must be crossed before you get on to racial aggravation.
Of course, it may be that I am talking out of my hat! [Post edited 12 Feb 16:47]
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:56 - Feb 12 with 1572 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:06 - Feb 12 by ZapatasMoustache |
I think we’re talking about two different things. Anti-white prejudice exists in lots of places. It could be described as bigotry, hate or racial prejudice, depending on how it manifests. Doesn’t excuse it, or make it ‘only’ words or anything (though often - and probably in Brixton!? - it can be rooted in historical experience). But it is distinct from ‘racism’ as a globalised system of oppression which exists hand in hand with whiteness and white supremacy. |
"‘racism’ as a globalised system of oppression which exists hand in hand with whiteness and white supremacy." what a lot of simplistic mono-causal nonsense. it's enough to make trump's anti-edi nonsense seem reasonable. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:59 - Feb 12 with 1557 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:56 - Feb 12 by lowhouseblue |
"‘racism’ as a globalised system of oppression which exists hand in hand with whiteness and white supremacy." what a lot of simplistic mono-causal nonsense. it's enough to make trump's anti-edi nonsense seem reasonable. |
How's that respect for differing views working out for you? |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:02 - Feb 12 with 1537 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:59 - Feb 12 by Herbivore |
How's that respect for differing views working out for you? |
i've disagreed with something. disagreement and discussion is great. i haven't said he's ignorant, i haven't said that he reads the guardian, that he's part of a woke conspiracy, that he lacks reading skills etc etc etc. but i know you understand the difference and that you're just trying to justify your usual down arrow. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:04 - Feb 12 with 1517 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:02 - Feb 12 by lowhouseblue |
i've disagreed with something. disagreement and discussion is great. i haven't said he's ignorant, i haven't said that he reads the guardian, that he's part of a woke conspiracy, that he lacks reading skills etc etc etc. but i know you understand the difference and that you're just trying to justify your usual down arrow. |
You've described his view as simplistic and nonsense and brought in a reference to Trump's ridiculous anti-EDI measures. I'm not sure that's a very respectful way to disagree and doesn't exactly encourage debate. But I'm sure you already know that. [Post edited 12 Feb 17:05]
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:07 - Feb 12 with 1496 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:04 - Feb 12 by Herbivore |
You've described his view as simplistic and nonsense and brought in a reference to Trump's ridiculous anti-EDI measures. I'm not sure that's a very respectful way to disagree and doesn't exactly encourage debate. But I'm sure you already know that. [Post edited 12 Feb 17:05]
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you've got very thin skin all of a sudden. but now you set your benchmark for respectful discussion i'm hoping you're going to keep to it. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:30 - Feb 12 with 1408 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:07 - Feb 12 by lowhouseblue |
you've got very thin skin all of a sudden. but now you set your benchmark for respectful discussion i'm hoping you're going to keep to it. |
Oh I'm not offended, just interesting to see the hypocrisy is all. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:33 - Feb 12 with 1392 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:07 - Feb 12 by lowhouseblue |
you've got very thin skin all of a sudden. but now you set your benchmark for respectful discussion i'm hoping you're going to keep to it. |
Why do all of these discussions end up in a p***ing contest? Asking for a friend.... [Post edited 12 Feb 17:33]
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:50 - Feb 12 with 1335 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:33 - Feb 12 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Why do all of these discussions end up in a p***ing contest? Asking for a friend.... [Post edited 12 Feb 17:33]
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Just popped back and see it's still going strong 13 pages in. Has anybody given Herbivore an answer he likes yet ? |  | | |
| Insecure little men..... on 17:52 - Feb 12 with 1334 views | Bloots |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:33 - Feb 12 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Why do all of these discussions end up in a p***ing contest? Asking for a friend.... [Post edited 12 Feb 17:33]
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...desperately trying to win arguments with other insecure little men. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 18:04 - Feb 12 with 1266 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:50 - Feb 12 by waveneyblue |
Just popped back and see it's still going strong 13 pages in. Has anybody given Herbivore an answer he likes yet ? |
I guess by the thumb down the answer is no.
Sad times 😭 | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 18:04 - Feb 12 with 1262 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:33 - Feb 12 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Why do all of these discussions end up in a p***ing contest? Asking for a friend.... [Post edited 12 Feb 17:33]
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people interact regularly and they then slip into short hand forms because they know what winds each other. it is true in any setting. to be fair the thread also includes lots of reasoned debate and different views argued genuinely. overall a lot of it is quite an interesting discussion. but yes, people also bicker - such is, and always has been, social interaction. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 18:08 - Feb 12 with 1219 views | NewcyBlue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:07 - Feb 12 by lowhouseblue |
you've got very thin skin all of a sudden. but now you set your benchmark for respectful discussion i'm hoping you're going to keep to it. |
jeez you’re repetitively dull |  |
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| I view the relentless downvotes.... on 18:11 - Feb 12 with 1189 views | Bloots |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 18:04 - Feb 12 by waveneyblue |
I guess by the thumb down the answer is no.
Sad times 😭 |
...as a type of "read receipt".
I find them satisfying. | |
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| I view the relentless downvotes.... on 18:14 - Feb 12 with 1169 views | waveneyblue |
| I view the relentless downvotes.... on 18:11 - Feb 12 by Bloots |
...as a type of "read receipt".
I find them satisfying. |
Yeah, i know what your saying.
It's also reassuring that certain characters don't like what I'm saying. It makes me feel better about myself. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 18:16 - Feb 12 with 1155 views | NewcyBlue |
14 pages.
I skim read them.
The video I’ve seen is a short snippet of what happened, and I wouldn’t like to judge based on such a short video.
A jury of her peers found her not guilty having been presented with the full evidence.
If it had been a white person saying it to a BAME officer there will have been outrage, and rightly so. People of BAME have suffered systematic racism over the years and continue to do so.
The fact that it took 11 months for the particular comment to be brought up is really telling.
This thread hasn’t even been that entertaining a read, do better TWTD. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 18:22 - Feb 12 with 1120 views | Ryorry |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 17:33 - Feb 12 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Why do all of these discussions end up in a p***ing contest? Asking for a friend.... [Post edited 12 Feb 17:33]
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You’ve improved the tone - it used to be known as ‘willy-waving’. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 18:45 - Feb 12 with 1024 views | waveneyblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 18:22 - Feb 12 by Ryorry |
You’ve improved the tone - it used to be known as ‘willy-waving’. |
I think that might be considered discriminatory now I'm afraid.
Although I'm not sure how unspecified genitalia waving would work. | | | |
| I view the relentless downvotes.... on 19:07 - Feb 12 with 945 views | positivity |
| I view the relentless downvotes.... on 18:11 - Feb 12 by Bloots |
...as a type of "read receipt".
I find them satisfying. |
especially when both of the tag team downvote you! | |
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| I view the relentless downvotes.... on 20:03 - Feb 12 with 843 views | Bigalhunter |
| I view the relentless downvotes.... on 19:07 - Feb 12 by positivity |
especially when both of the tag team downvote you! |
I know I’d just end up worrying about them if they weren’t here, though.
It’s like supervised play for the difficult kids.
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