| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment 15:12 - Feb 11 with 37948 views | Jimmy86 |
It would seem that calling a police officer stupid and white is acceptable in today's society..
Imagine the uproar if that particular slur had been used against someone of BAME origin.. think the sentence and certainly reaction to it would have been different |  | | |  |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:21 - Feb 13 with 2018 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Sam Kerr did something very stupid and should be criticised for doing so, but a Jury found her not guilty based on their evidence so not sure there can be a call for further action.
Have to say though the notion from so many "imagine if the shoe was on the other foot" is absolutely ridiculous. We don't have to imagine because plenty of racist white people are still playing professional football, hosting Tv shows and one of them is even President of America. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:33 - Feb 13 with 1946 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:20 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
Or perhaps - as I've mentioned the research shows - people of colour face discrimination and barriers to progression within the workforce. |
you can’t just assume that. one of the ways of investigating is by bench marking against the wider population. Just on the basis of the data you’ve posted, your industry seems to have an over- representation of non-white staff in general and an approx representative presence rel to population as a whole at more senior levels. That suggests that there is more involved than just discrimination. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:56 - Feb 13 with 1890 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:33 - Feb 13 by lowhouseblue |
you can’t just assume that. one of the ways of investigating is by bench marking against the wider population. Just on the basis of the data you’ve posted, your industry seems to have an over- representation of non-white staff in general and an approx representative presence rel to population as a whole at more senior levels. That suggests that there is more involved than just discrimination. |
Surprise surprise. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:30 - Feb 13 with 1816 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:56 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
Surprise surprise. |
well there doesn't seem to be negative discrimination at entry level. rightly assuming that the distribution of attributes suited to senior roles doesn't vary by race, the fact that the proportion of senior roles held by people who are non-white matches the proportion of people who are non-white in the general population, in itself doesn't imply discrimination. unless you have reasons why this particular workforce should be expected to be unrepresentative of the population, what may be going on is an element of mis-match in recruitment with things then reverting to average over time. if you have high turnover at low levels amongst particular groups, for example, it may suggest some mis-match in recruitment? robust edi discussion and analysis should get to the bottom of these sorts of questions. unless you have direct evidence for discrimination, then statistically discrimination is what remains AFTER you have excluded all other causal factors. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:44 - Feb 13 with 1748 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:30 - Feb 13 by lowhouseblue |
well there doesn't seem to be negative discrimination at entry level. rightly assuming that the distribution of attributes suited to senior roles doesn't vary by race, the fact that the proportion of senior roles held by people who are non-white matches the proportion of people who are non-white in the general population, in itself doesn't imply discrimination. unless you have reasons why this particular workforce should be expected to be unrepresentative of the population, what may be going on is an element of mis-match in recruitment with things then reverting to average over time. if you have high turnover at low levels amongst particular groups, for example, it may suggest some mis-match in recruitment? robust edi discussion and analysis should get to the bottom of these sorts of questions. unless you have direct evidence for discrimination, then statistically discrimination is what remains AFTER you have excluded all other causal factors. |
Interesting that your gut reaction is to suggest unevidenced reasons that aren't structural/systemic barriers and discrimination (of which there is lots of evidence), just as it's interesting your opening salvo on this thread was to compare someone discussing the pervasive and globalised nature of structural racism to Donald Trump. We've been here before. I'm tired of it to be honest. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:55 - Feb 13 with 1699 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:44 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
Interesting that your gut reaction is to suggest unevidenced reasons that aren't structural/systemic barriers and discrimination (of which there is lots of evidence), just as it's interesting your opening salvo on this thread was to compare someone discussing the pervasive and globalised nature of structural racism to Donald Trump. We've been here before. I'm tired of it to be honest. |
but you can never answer reasoned challenges. you have to prove discrimination not just assume it cos it fits your world view. you clearly have very strong views but, when challenged, there's never anything to back them up. you just get consistently arsey. it's all a bit insecure.
[my 'opening salvo' on this thread was "aren't juries great. it did seem a bit of a marginal charge to take. but even though not guilty she doesn't come out of it looking that good - what with the vomit and window breaking and taxi driver abusing and generally privileged star type behaviour." you'll need to tell me how that relates to donald trump? i actually don't think i've even mentioned trump.] | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:58 - Feb 13 with 1677 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:55 - Feb 13 by lowhouseblue |
but you can never answer reasoned challenges. you have to prove discrimination not just assume it cos it fits your world view. you clearly have very strong views but, when challenged, there's never anything to back them up. you just get consistently arsey. it's all a bit insecure.
[my 'opening salvo' on this thread was "aren't juries great. it did seem a bit of a marginal charge to take. but even though not guilty she doesn't come out of it looking that good - what with the vomit and window breaking and taxi driver abusing and generally privileged star type behaviour." you'll need to tell me how that relates to donald trump? i actually don't think i've even mentioned trump.] |
I've told you that there is research in my sector that evidences black and minoritised staff's experiences of structural barriers and discrimination in the workplace but you keep ignoring that, for some reason. It's not an assumption. And spare me the pop psychology, I just find your drip feeding of poison into the well rather tiresome and tedious.
Perhaps it wasn't your opening salvo but it came earlier in the thread. You likened a view about structural racism to Trump's anti-EDI policies. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 12:10 - Feb 13 with 1619 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:58 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
I've told you that there is research in my sector that evidences black and minoritised staff's experiences of structural barriers and discrimination in the workplace but you keep ignoring that, for some reason. It's not an assumption. And spare me the pop psychology, I just find your drip feeding of poison into the well rather tiresome and tedious.
Perhaps it wasn't your opening salvo but it came earlier in the thread. You likened a view about structural racism to Trump's anti-EDI policies. |
people challenging your views is really not 'poison'.
you haven't responded to my very first question - why are non-white workers hugely over-represented in the workforce (as i've said there may well be really good reasons)? if the evidence of discrimination that you refer to is just the drop off in numbers at the point of promotion there could well be alternative explanations. it seems strange that an industry should be very discrimination free at the point of recruitment but then discriminatory at the point of promotion - setting aside the fact that it's me asking, don't you think that's strange? | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 12:27 - Feb 13 with 1568 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 12:10 - Feb 13 by lowhouseblue |
people challenging your views is really not 'poison'.
you haven't responded to my very first question - why are non-white workers hugely over-represented in the workforce (as i've said there may well be really good reasons)? if the evidence of discrimination that you refer to is just the drop off in numbers at the point of promotion there could well be alternative explanations. it seems strange that an industry should be very discrimination free at the point of recruitment but then discriminatory at the point of promotion - setting aside the fact that it's me asking, don't you think that's strange? |
No, I don't think it's strange. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 12:30 - Feb 13 with 1534 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 12:27 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
No, I don't think it's strange. |
but you can't explain the over-representation? curiosity is always good with this stuff - it challenges implicit biases. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 12:41 - Feb 13 with 1494 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 12:30 - Feb 13 by lowhouseblue |
but you can't explain the over-representation? curiosity is always good with this stuff - it challenges implicit biases. |
I could but I don't see the point in indulging you in trying to sidetrack my original point. | |
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| Insecure little men..... on 13:04 - Feb 13 with 1442 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Insecure little men..... on 21:10 - Feb 12 by StokieBlue |
Do you mean insecure little men who spend their time derailing threads and not contributing anything to the actual debate or hammer the down vote button like a hamster on acid?
Those types of insecure little men?
SB |
Tbf to Bloots he’s right.
Some on here (not referring to you) pretend to be nicey nice and play the intellectual smart guy act but if you scratch beneath the surface a bit.. they’re quite nasty. And their mates who would jump in if anyone else dared to say similar nastiness the other way round all stay incredibly quiet when it’s one of their own being a tosser.
I’ve seen it. It’s been noticed. |  |
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| Insecure little men..... on 13:16 - Feb 13 with 1396 views | witchdoctor |
| Insecure little men..... on 13:04 - Feb 13 by The_Romford_Blue |
Tbf to Bloots he’s right.
Some on here (not referring to you) pretend to be nicey nice and play the intellectual smart guy act but if you scratch beneath the surface a bit.. they’re quite nasty. And their mates who would jump in if anyone else dared to say similar nastiness the other way round all stay incredibly quiet when it’s one of their own being a tosser.
I’ve seen it. It’s been noticed. |
well at least some of that mob sling their hook from time to time ..presumably sulking…and isn’t the forum a better place during their absences? |  | | |
| Insecure little men..... on 13:20 - Feb 13 with 1375 views | DJR |
| Insecure little men..... on 13:04 - Feb 13 by The_Romford_Blue |
Tbf to Bloots he’s right.
Some on here (not referring to you) pretend to be nicey nice and play the intellectual smart guy act but if you scratch beneath the surface a bit.. they’re quite nasty. And their mates who would jump in if anyone else dared to say similar nastiness the other way round all stay incredibly quiet when it’s one of their own being a tosser.
I’ve seen it. It’s been noticed. |
I interpreted Bloot's comment as tongue-in-cheek and a little self-deprecating.
The full comment was "Insecure little men ...... desperately trying to win arguments with other insecure little men."
Perhaps another way of putting it would be "Two bald men fighting over a comb". |  | | |
| Insecure little men..... on 13:23 - Feb 13 with 1359 views | Herbivore |
| Insecure little men..... on 13:04 - Feb 13 by The_Romford_Blue |
Tbf to Bloots he’s right.
Some on here (not referring to you) pretend to be nicey nice and play the intellectual smart guy act but if you scratch beneath the surface a bit.. they’re quite nasty. And their mates who would jump in if anyone else dared to say similar nastiness the other way round all stay incredibly quiet when it’s one of their own being a tosser.
I’ve seen it. It’s been noticed. |
The main unpleasant comments on this thread have been one poster calling another poster an "arse" repeatedly and another poster wanging on about insecure little men. I'm not sure either of those posters would be described as nicey nice or intellectual either. [Post edited 13 Feb 14:08]
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| Insecure little men..... on 13:28 - Feb 13 with 1336 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Insecure little men..... on 13:23 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
The main unpleasant comments on this thread have been one poster calling another poster an "arse" repeatedly and another poster wanging on about insecure little men. I'm not sure either of those posters would be described as nicey nice or intellectual either. [Post edited 13 Feb 14:08]
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For what it’s worth I haven’t read the thread. I did see Bloots comment and Stokies reply to it.
But the 16 pages was always 1.01 to be slanging matches, whatabouttery and hyperbolic nonsense.
Also.. bring back Glassers. We got people like Fishers allowed back but GB is still goneski. | |
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| Insecure little men..... on 13:57 - Feb 13 with 1252 views | waveneyblue |
| Insecure little men..... on 13:23 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
The main unpleasant comments on this thread have been one poster calling another poster an "arse" repeatedly and another poster wanging on about insecure little men. I'm not sure either of those posters would be described as nicey nice or intellectual either. [Post edited 13 Feb 14:08]
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You still banging on. Loved the poison reference earlier. Classy.
Oh and is twice repeatedly? Arseking for a friend. |  | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 14:03 - Feb 13 with 1222 views | unbelievablue |
It's telling that so many people are annoyed at this verdict and so keen to talk about double standards. |  |
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| Insecure little men..... on 14:10 - Feb 13 with 1179 views | positivity |
| Insecure little men..... on 13:20 - Feb 13 by DJR |
I interpreted Bloot's comment as tongue-in-cheek and a little self-deprecating.
The full comment was "Insecure little men ...... desperately trying to win arguments with other insecure little men."
Perhaps another way of putting it would be "Two bald men fighting over a comb". |
agreed, i read it as a rare moment of self-analysis (with a side order of projection!) | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 14:31 - Feb 13 with 1112 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 12:41 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
I could but I don't see the point in indulging you in trying to sidetrack my original point. |
ah, the old 'i could but ... (fill in spurious excuse)' trick. cool bananas. | |
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| The irony of you calling me.... on 14:42 - Feb 13 with 1080 views | Bloots |
| Insecure little men..... on 13:23 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
The main unpleasant comments on this thread have been one poster calling another poster an "arse" repeatedly and another poster wanging on about insecure little men. I'm not sure either of those posters would be described as nicey nice or intellectual either. [Post edited 13 Feb 14:08]
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...out for not being "nicey nice or intellectual" is remarkable.
Particularly given that you have previously been banned for abusing posters, myself inevitably receiving the majority of it.
You were only allowed back on here because you sent a groveling apology email, which I still have a copy of.
It's a shame you didn't stick to the promises you made. |  |
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| Insecure little men..... on 14:47 - Feb 13 with 1017 views | Ryorry |
| Insecure little men..... on 13:20 - Feb 13 by DJR |
I interpreted Bloot's comment as tongue-in-cheek and a little self-deprecating.
The full comment was "Insecure little men ...... desperately trying to win arguments with other insecure little men."
Perhaps another way of putting it would be "Two bald men fighting over a comb". |
It was blatant sexism gone mad 
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Only kidding ;) |  |
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| Insecure little men..... on 14:51 - Feb 13 with 988 views | Ryorry |
| Insecure little men..... on 13:28 - Feb 13 by The_Romford_Blue |
For what it’s worth I haven’t read the thread. I did see Bloots comment and Stokies reply to it.
But the 16 pages was always 1.01 to be slanging matches, whatabouttery and hyperbolic nonsense.
Also.. bring back Glassers. We got people like Fishers allowed back but GB is still goneski. |
Fishers is back? I hadn't noticed. | |
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| He's not.... on 14:53 - Feb 13 with 959 views | Bloots |
| Insecure little men..... on 14:51 - Feb 13 by Ryorry |
Fishers is back? I hadn't noticed. |
....I don't think he wants to anymore.
He asked a while back, but Phil said no. | |
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