| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment 15:12 - Feb 11 with 36873 views | Jimmy86 |
It would seem that calling a police officer stupid and white is acceptable in today's society..
Imagine the uproar if that particular slur had been used against someone of BAME origin.. think the sentence and certainly reaction to it would have been different |  | | |  |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 15:08 - Feb 12 with 1486 views | DJR |
Interesting take on the case, including the views of Geoffrey Robertson QC.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/the-major-flaw-with-racial-charge-
Geoffrey Robertson, a human rights barrister and author who served as a judge in London, wrote in an op-ed for The Sydney Morning Herald that “questions must be asked about whether it should have taken place at all”.
“It arose from an incident that could cause no public danger or alarm, as two distressed young women argued with three male police officers in the safe confines of a police station,” Mr Robertson wrote.
“It was, as one of these officers admitted, a ‘childish’ exchange on both sides which went on for half an hour before Kerr’s comment that an officer was white (as well as stupid) was jumped on to charge her with ‘racially aggravated harassment’.”
Mr Robertson said the “heavy machinery of criminal law” was wheeled out in a futile exercise that would set the British taxpayer back hundreds of thousands of pounds.
“What will surprise most London lawyers was that this was ever brought to trial. Similar cases are dealt with by a caution involving no criminal finding or else by a short hearing in a magistrates court, probably resulting in a fine or a conditional discharge.” |  | | |
| What about old Yoda....? on 15:11 - Feb 12 with 1466 views | blueasfook |
| What about old Yoda....? on 15:01 - Feb 12 by Bloots |
....he used to knock around here quite a lot.
Disappeared since we became the 19th best team in the country I guess. |
Yoda was OK too yeah. 3 out of all their 20 or 30 supporters isnt bad is it. |  |
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| That's true.... on 15:14 - Feb 12 with 1446 views | positivity |
| That's true.... on 15:02 - Feb 12 by blueasfook |
RIP Zapers and GB. 2 good men lost in battle fighting the good fight. |
bit unfair lumping gb in with zapers, when he's not here to defend himself.
glasgow's leaving reference wasn't this "As far as I can see you add little other than sniping at other users, ourselves and dog whistle comments about immigrants."
good fight? lolz, top bantz! | |
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| That's true.... on 15:17 - Feb 12 with 1421 views | DJR |
| That's true.... on 15:02 - Feb 12 by blueasfook |
RIP Zapers and GB. 2 good men lost in battle fighting the good fight. |
I like and miss them both. I'm sure they'll be back. | | | |
| That's true.... on 15:20 - Feb 12 with 1386 views | leitrimblue |
| That's true.... on 15:02 - Feb 12 by blueasfook |
RIP Zapers and GB. 2 good men lost in battle fighting the good fight. |
Phils gonna have ta beg um to come back quickly.
GB to put some manners on the sites lefties that are getting well outta hand at mo.
And Zapers, well just for my own amusement really 
Sorry Zapers if yer reading, love you too really  |  | | |
| That's true.... on 15:20 - Feb 12 with 1392 views | blueasfook |
| That's true.... on 15:14 - Feb 12 by positivity |
bit unfair lumping gb in with zapers, when he's not here to defend himself.
glasgow's leaving reference wasn't this "As far as I can see you add little other than sniping at other users, ourselves and dog whistle comments about immigrants."
good fight? lolz, top bantz! |
You bite every time. Too easy. Get back to your Morning Star. I hear there's an interesting serialisation of Das Kapital starting this week. [Post edited 12 Feb 15:21]
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| That's true.... on 15:25 - Feb 12 with 1351 views | positivity |
| That's true.... on 15:20 - Feb 12 by blueasfook |
You bite every time. Too easy. Get back to your Morning Star. I hear there's an interesting serialisation of Das Kapital starting this week. [Post edited 12 Feb 15:21]
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glad to give you some joy.
some people find pleasure in odd places, but remember that your tedious trolling can have unexpected consequences as you found out with gb.
i really don't understand your motivation; very strange! | |
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| Calm down comrade.... on 15:26 - Feb 12 with 1330 views | Bloots |
| That's true.... on 15:14 - Feb 12 by positivity |
bit unfair lumping gb in with zapers, when he's not here to defend himself.
glasgow's leaving reference wasn't this "As far as I can see you add little other than sniping at other users, ourselves and dog whistle comments about immigrants."
good fight? lolz, top bantz! |
....you don't need to take everything so seriously. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 15:27 - Feb 12 with 1313 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 15:03 - Feb 12 by lowhouseblue |
it isn't illegal but it does affect how people may respond to you. behaviour may determine the response you get more than colour? |
Exactly that! Christ alive, I still got down voted for saying that and i didn't even say anything wrong! This place sometimes.. | | | |
| That's true.... on 15:33 - Feb 12 with 1278 views | blueasfook |
| That's true.... on 15:25 - Feb 12 by positivity |
glad to give you some joy.
some people find pleasure in odd places, but remember that your tedious trolling can have unexpected consequences as you found out with gb.
i really don't understand your motivation; very strange! |
GB's offence was not trolling. He went in harsh on Dollers. But then you know that. | |
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| That's true.... on 15:35 - Feb 12 with 1260 views | positivity |
| That's true.... on 15:33 - Feb 12 by blueasfook |
GB's offence was not trolling. He went in harsh on Dollers. But then you know that. |
that's what i said, your trolling thread led on to his going in harsh on dollers. but then you know that. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 15:35 - Feb 12 with 1254 views | Ryorry |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 14:07 - Feb 12 by ZapatasMoustache |
Right but here I’m using the commonly used term as applied to white people claiming racism, not between minoritised people. And yes, it’s theoretically possible but not really in the world we inhabit with its particular history. |
“it’s theoretically possible but not really in the world we inhabit with its particular history”
It was very much a thing when I was a social worker in Brixton in the 1980s according to a couple of my clients who were black. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 15:36 - Feb 12 with 1251 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
So, to summarise:
1) Racism exists, and it's abhorrent no matter who it is directed at. However, us white people don't have the same frame of reference as BAME communities, because, how could we know what it's like to walk down the street and be judged/abused/feel threatened because of the colour of our skin? Racism is subjective to every community.
2) White privilege is real, also abhorrent, but lots of people like to use the phrase inappropriately and dilute how it is combatted.There is an increasing number of people on social media who adopt the term and misapply it, thus damaging the important issue of it actually impacting communities, because they confuse it for 'I should be privileged, instead of you'.
3) Women feel threatened by men. Fact. Because we have reason to. We don't always apply that fear correctly, but it's better to be fearful for no reason, than not fearful when we should be.
4) Drunk people talk out of their arse, sometimes. It's a thing. Just because you got drunk, doesn't make you a horrible person. Just a bit silly. Also capable of doing silly things like trying to escape out of a taxi window because you are scared of being kidnapped.
How did I do? I've basically read the first and last pages of this topic. I'm feeling hopeful I've grasped the entire debate without wasting an hour reading everything. |  | | |
| Calm down comrade.... on 15:40 - Feb 12 with 1211 views | positivity |
| Calm down comrade.... on 15:26 - Feb 12 by Bloots |
....you don't need to take everything so seriously. |
sorry comrade, i'll try and conform and be more troll-y in future | |
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| Give it a rest pal.... on 15:40 - Feb 12 with 1208 views | Bloots |
| That's true.... on 15:35 - Feb 12 by positivity |
that's what i said, your trolling thread led on to his going in harsh on dollers. but then you know that. |
....nobody, least of all Phil, really needs to hear it all again.
Move on. | |
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| Give it a rest pal.... on 15:42 - Feb 12 with 1185 views | positivity |
| Give it a rest pal.... on 15:40 - Feb 12 by Bloots |
....nobody, least of all Phil, really needs to hear it all again.
Move on. |
wonder which troll brought them up into the conversation? move on. | |
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| Give it a rest pal.... on 15:46 - Feb 12 with 1160 views | Ryorry |
| Give it a rest pal.... on 15:42 - Feb 12 by positivity |
wonder which troll brought them up into the conversation? move on. |
Will no-one think of the Ham?!  | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 15:48 - Feb 12 with 1141 views | DJR |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 15:08 - Feb 12 by DJR |
Interesting take on the case, including the views of Geoffrey Robertson QC.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/the-major-flaw-with-racial-charge-
Geoffrey Robertson, a human rights barrister and author who served as a judge in London, wrote in an op-ed for The Sydney Morning Herald that “questions must be asked about whether it should have taken place at all”.
“It arose from an incident that could cause no public danger or alarm, as two distressed young women argued with three male police officers in the safe confines of a police station,” Mr Robertson wrote.
“It was, as one of these officers admitted, a ‘childish’ exchange on both sides which went on for half an hour before Kerr’s comment that an officer was white (as well as stupid) was jumped on to charge her with ‘racially aggravated harassment’.”
Mr Robertson said the “heavy machinery of criminal law” was wheeled out in a futile exercise that would set the British taxpayer back hundreds of thousands of pounds.
“What will surprise most London lawyers was that this was ever brought to trial. Similar cases are dealt with by a caution involving no criminal finding or else by a short hearing in a magistrates court, probably resulting in a fine or a conditional discharge.” |
Picking up on Robertson's reference to alarm or distress, it looks like what she was charged with had two elements.
Kerr pleaded not guilty to the offence of intentionally causing harassment, alarm, or distress to another by using threatening, abusive, or insulting words under Section 4A of the Public Order Act 1986, and to the racial aggravation of the offence per the Crime and Disorder Act 1998.
It's difficult to see how one of three policeman in a police station with two females could be said to have suffered alarm or distress by what she said (especially given that he didn't even raise the wording used for some time), so that may well be the clincher before going on to determine whether there was any question of racial aggravation, which would only kick in if the first element were proved.
As Robertson suggests, I am sure there are other lesser Public Order Act type offences she could have been charged with. [Post edited 12 Feb 15:52]
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| Exactly, I'm out. (n/t) on 15:49 - Feb 12 with 1118 views | Bloots |
| Give it a rest pal.... on 15:46 - Feb 12 by Ryorry |
Will no-one think of the Ham?! |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 15:55 - Feb 12 with 1062 views | ronnyd |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:20 - Feb 12 by giant_stow |
Small point of order: In a truly multicultural environment, its perfectly possible for a white person to be in a minority and treated with prejudice or racism. Its also perfectly possible for people of colour to be racist towards each other. |
Just look at the caste system in India. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:06 - Feb 12 with 1003 views | ZapatasMoustache |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 15:35 - Feb 12 by Ryorry |
“it’s theoretically possible but not really in the world we inhabit with its particular history”
It was very much a thing when I was a social worker in Brixton in the 1980s according to a couple of my clients who were black. |
I think we’re talking about two different things. Anti-white prejudice exists in lots of places. It could be described as bigotry, hate or racial prejudice, depending on how it manifests. Doesn’t excuse it, or make it ‘only’ words or anything (though often - and probably in Brixton!? - it can be rooted in historical experience). But it is distinct from ‘racism’ as a globalised system of oppression which exists hand in hand with whiteness and white supremacy. |  | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:11 - Feb 12 with 974 views | ZapatasMoustache |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 14:22 - Feb 12 by giant_stow |
With respect, I think you're talking about structural or systematic racism and you'd have a point there.
But on an individual level, if someone calls me boy 'Snow White' at a Walthamstow school or holds up a piece of paper next to his face and says he's whiter than that, then what else do you call it? (My kid has albinism).
Or if an Asian father at a kids football match talks to me about how 'black people are all inherently violent', what would you call that?
...These are slurs based on skin colour. |
Sorry, answered a different point first when this one covered the same ground (see below!) - but in short, yes, racialised prejudice, bigotry, hate? All applicable but I think it’s also really important not to dilute critiques of structural racism when people say ‘ahhh but that can happen to white people’ because structurally, it can’t/doesn’t. | | | |
| Give it a rest pal.... on 16:19 - Feb 12 with 928 views | blueasfook |
| Give it a rest pal.... on 15:42 - Feb 12 by positivity |
wonder which troll brought them up into the conversation? move on. |
So we are not allowed to mention former posters? Move on. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:24 - Feb 12 with 907 views | Ryorry |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 16:06 - Feb 12 by ZapatasMoustache |
I think we’re talking about two different things. Anti-white prejudice exists in lots of places. It could be described as bigotry, hate or racial prejudice, depending on how it manifests. Doesn’t excuse it, or make it ‘only’ words or anything (though often - and probably in Brixton!? - it can be rooted in historical experience). But it is distinct from ‘racism’ as a globalised system of oppression which exists hand in hand with whiteness and white supremacy. |
To clarify, I thought you were talking about black people, Asian people & other ethnic minorities hating on each other; my response was in reply to that. | |
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| Give it a rest pal.... on 16:26 - Feb 12 with 877 views | positivity |
| Give it a rest pal.... on 16:19 - Feb 12 by blueasfook |
So we are not allowed to mention former posters? Move on. |
not according to bloots. move on.
he has and i had [Post edited 12 Feb 16:27]
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