| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment 15:12 - Feb 11 with 36888 views | Jimmy86 |
It would seem that calling a police officer stupid and white is acceptable in today's society..
Imagine the uproar if that particular slur had been used against someone of BAME origin.. think the sentence and certainly reaction to it would have been different |  | | |  |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:22 - Feb 12 with 1207 views | leitrimblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:18 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
What makes me a snowflake then? The fact I'm pissed off about how this would be viewed if the same slur was used against someone of BAME origin?
Racism is Racism... or is it ok against white people? Genuine question.. you don't know me.. I'm not a snowflake.. I hate snowflakes with a passion.. [Post edited 12 Feb 10:20]
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Yer melting all over the window sill love
It's hard to watch |  | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:24 - Feb 12 with 1190 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 09:48 - Feb 12 by waveneyblue |
"Therein lies the problem"
People having different opinions to me... |
I think more than anyone, you come across as troubled by the fact people have different opinions to you. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:25 - Feb 12 with 1186 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:22 - Feb 12 by leitrimblue |
Yer melting all over the window sill love
It's hard to watch |
So, what am I melting about then? I asked you what made me a snowflake and you didn't answer... ignorance at its finest.. what is it I've said that I'm not allowed to think, or that you don't agree with? Have reasonable discussion instead of snidey remarks.. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:27 - Feb 12 with 1177 views | Ryorry |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:18 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
What makes me a snowflake then? The fact I'm pissed off about how this would be viewed if the same slur was used against someone of BAME origin?
Racism is Racism... or is it ok against white people? Genuine question.. you don't know me.. I'm not a snowflake.. I hate snowflakes with a passion.. [Post edited 12 Feb 10:20]
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Same answer as I posted to Waveney -
Plenty of people in the thread have taken the time and trouble to explain why they disagree with you, including explanations of why the perspective of someone with a different ethnicity and gender could be different from yours if you are a white male.
Would be great if you took similar time and trouble to read up on this issue in order to try and understand it, instead of wasting your time by just blindly continuing to argue against it.
Possible starting point (after just a quick search) -
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/ |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:30 - Feb 12 with 1153 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:03 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
The BAME community for a start.. if anyone had ever labelled a police officer "stupid and black" it would be deemed racist, would it not??
You'd jump on that and call it out.. you know you would.. |
Give the frequency with which black officers experience racism (see my links on page 7) it's safe to summise that the BAME community - if there is such a thing as a homogenous entity, which I doubt - barely react to most instances of racism experienced by black officers and it would seem we get very little coverage if these cases make it to court (which many clearly don't, given the large numbers of reported incidents).
The white community - if such a homogenous group exists - which includes yourself and quite a few other posters on this thread who agree with you are outraged by this in the same way the "BAME community" might be if the same had happened to a black officer. I've never seen you start a thread about racism towards black officers. Aren't you guilty of double standards here too? | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:35 - Feb 12 with 1124 views | positivity |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:18 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
What makes me a snowflake then? The fact I'm pissed off about how this would be viewed if the same slur was used against someone of BAME origin?
Racism is Racism... or is it ok against white people? Genuine question.. you don't know me.. I'm not a snowflake.. I hate snowflakes with a passion.. [Post edited 12 Feb 10:20]
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what offends you so much about "snowflakes", it's a pretty snowflakey position to take?
what makes you clutch your pearls so hard, why does it bother you so much? | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:35 - Feb 12 with 1124 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:18 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
What makes me a snowflake then? The fact I'm pissed off about how this would be viewed if the same slur was used against someone of BAME origin?
Racism is Racism... or is it ok against white people? Genuine question.. you don't know me.. I'm not a snowflake.. I hate snowflakes with a passion.. [Post edited 12 Feb 10:20]
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One of the accusations people level against woke snowflakes, who you hate, is that they see offence where there is none and accuse people of things like racism when they aren't being racist. And here you are starting and sustaining a thread about alleged racism where a jury of your peers have found there was none. You've become what you hate, mate. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:37 - Feb 12 with 1106 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:30 - Feb 12 by Herbivore |
Give the frequency with which black officers experience racism (see my links on page 7) it's safe to summise that the BAME community - if there is such a thing as a homogenous entity, which I doubt - barely react to most instances of racism experienced by black officers and it would seem we get very little coverage if these cases make it to court (which many clearly don't, given the large numbers of reported incidents).
The white community - if such a homogenous group exists - which includes yourself and quite a few other posters on this thread who agree with you are outraged by this in the same way the "BAME community" might be if the same had happened to a black officer. I've never seen you start a thread about racism towards black officers. Aren't you guilty of double standards here too? |
To clear things up for you, I believe in equality.. I believe that everyone should be treated the same..
Racism is racism and is wrong on every level.. whether that be aimed at BAME people, or white people.. simple as that if someone is racist towards a black person I'd call it out, same way I've called this out.. | | | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:39 - Feb 12 with 1085 views | leitrimblue |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:25 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
So, what am I melting about then? I asked you what made me a snowflake and you didn't answer... ignorance at its finest.. what is it I've said that I'm not allowed to think, or that you don't agree with? Have reasonable discussion instead of snidey remarks.. |
Sorry, its just hard to watch a grown man blubbing away about equal rights for white people.
You don't believe black police officers don't face regular racism? (Probably a good portion of it from there fellow officers)
If you wanna dry yer eyes and attempt to have a grown up discussion then I'm all ears.
But if you continue to come over like a woke 6th form goth I'm just gonna keep laughing at yer
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:39 - Feb 12 with 1080 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:37 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
To clear things up for you, I believe in equality.. I believe that everyone should be treated the same..
Racism is racism and is wrong on every level.. whether that be aimed at BAME people, or white people.. simple as that if someone is racist towards a black person I'd call it out, same way I've called this out.. |
But I've never seen you start a thread or be this outraged about the frequent and very real experiences of racism that black police officers experience. And yet you've expended a lot of time, energy, and offence on a thread about a white person being called white, an act that a jury deemed did not constitute a racially aggravated offence. So from the outside, that does rather look like double standards to me. [Post edited 12 Feb 10:46]
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:49 - Feb 12 with 1023 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:39 - Feb 12 by leitrimblue |
Sorry, its just hard to watch a grown man blubbing away about equal rights for white people.
You don't believe black police officers don't face regular racism? (Probably a good portion of it from there fellow officers)
If you wanna dry yer eyes and attempt to have a grown up discussion then I'm all ears.
But if you continue to come over like a woke 6th form goth I'm just gonna keep laughing at yer
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Where have I ever said i believed black police officers don't face regular racism from their colleagues or from the public? I know that's the case and is absolutely deplorable.. that should be called out for what it is..
But the same standards should be applied if the shoe is on the opposite foot, as has been the case here.. that's what I'm saying.. you then think I'm offended.. I'm not offended by what she said or did.. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:49 - Feb 12 with 1020 views | Ryorry |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:39 - Feb 12 by leitrimblue |
Sorry, its just hard to watch a grown man blubbing away about equal rights for white people.
You don't believe black police officers don't face regular racism? (Probably a good portion of it from there fellow officers)
If you wanna dry yer eyes and attempt to have a grown up discussion then I'm all ears.
But if you continue to come over like a woke 6th form goth I'm just gonna keep laughing at yer
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FWIW I think Jimmy’s intentions are probably good, but he’s gone down the erroneous “all lives matter” route. Hope he reads up to educate himself on the subject (why wouldn’t anyone really).
Feel free to tell me if I’m wrong Jimmy :) | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:53 - Feb 12 with 1003 views | jayessess |
Always strikes me in this sort of discussion that when white people get aggravated about "racial slurs" directed at white people, that they're actually fully aware of the difference in weight between being called a "black bstard" and being called a "white bstard".
There's a sort of pretence that they think they're the same thing but everyone knows just implicitly that they aren't. |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:54 - Feb 12 with 993 views | itfcjoe |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 08:13 - Feb 12 by DJR |
I try to avoid commenting on (or even reading) threads about jury decisions but I dipped into this one, came across your comment which was an early one, and thought it warranted a response.
The jury system may not be perfect but it is the best system we have, and is much better than the magistrate courts' system where a disproportionately high number of middle class white men dish out justice, and from my experience tend to treat their own kind more favourably.
Speaking as a lawyer, I don't think it is appropriate to comment on a jury decision unless you have heard all the evidence. But maybe, in the light of this case, someone ought to consider a remake of 12 Angry Men, the film about a jury starring Lee. J Cobb.
They could call it 12 Woke Men. [Post edited 12 Feb 8:17]
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I don't disagree, but people will always comment on things when we never have the full story that the jury have whether due to their own bias, reporting, pre-existing position and I'm no different in that respect.......and it will always be possible to say the jury system isn't perfect because of high profile cases (and because nothing is or can be)
I think my main issue here is that I have to listen to so much shizzle from GB News and the like parrotted to me by people around me that in the main I disgaree with I can see which way the general mood seems to be going......and I don't want to give them open goals to score of which this feels like one.
Talk of 'white privilege' is also massively unhelpful, and comes across as sneery from people on the left because like everything in this country it is class that dictates your privilege in the main but all attempts to diversify generally focus on race, religion, sexuality etc and that's the wrong areas (Said as a straight, white, public school boy who still thinks he is working class because that is how I grew up). Class is just the hardest thing to diversify, because it isn't fixed like many other features.
Sorry for the ramble - and none of that really aimed at you as these aren't the things you've said but just started on that point |  |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:56 - Feb 12 with 960 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:49 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
Where have I ever said i believed black police officers don't face regular racism from their colleagues or from the public? I know that's the case and is absolutely deplorable.. that should be called out for what it is..
But the same standards should be applied if the shoe is on the opposite foot, as has been the case here.. that's what I'm saying.. you then think I'm offended.. I'm not offended by what she said or did.. |
But a jury heard all the evidence and deemed that it was not racially aggravated. And you've said you have no issue with the jury's decision. And people have explained on here many times the context and why it isn't as black and white as you make out. So I'm still kind of struggling to see what it is you're upset about exactly. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:01 - Feb 12 with 914 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:54 - Feb 12 by itfcjoe |
I don't disagree, but people will always comment on things when we never have the full story that the jury have whether due to their own bias, reporting, pre-existing position and I'm no different in that respect.......and it will always be possible to say the jury system isn't perfect because of high profile cases (and because nothing is or can be)
I think my main issue here is that I have to listen to so much shizzle from GB News and the like parrotted to me by people around me that in the main I disgaree with I can see which way the general mood seems to be going......and I don't want to give them open goals to score of which this feels like one.
Talk of 'white privilege' is also massively unhelpful, and comes across as sneery from people on the left because like everything in this country it is class that dictates your privilege in the main but all attempts to diversify generally focus on race, religion, sexuality etc and that's the wrong areas (Said as a straight, white, public school boy who still thinks he is working class because that is how I grew up). Class is just the hardest thing to diversify, because it isn't fixed like many other features.
Sorry for the ramble - and none of that really aimed at you as these aren't the things you've said but just started on that point |
It's very easy to say that class is what dictates privilege when you're a straight white man though, particularly when you're a straight, white public schoolboy. What does class have to do with racial profiling, as one example? How does class explain stuff like this: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/research/the-resume-bias-how-names-and-ethnicity-influence | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:05 - Feb 12 with 872 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:56 - Feb 12 by Herbivore |
But a jury heard all the evidence and deemed that it was not racially aggravated. And you've said you have no issue with the jury's decision. And people have explained on here many times the context and why it isn't as black and white as you make out. So I'm still kind of struggling to see what it is you're upset about exactly. |
What I'm aggrieved about is the difference in reaction this would receive by wider society, if the shoe was on the other foot.. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:12 - Feb 12 with 851 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:05 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
What I'm aggrieved about is the difference in reaction this would receive by wider society, if the shoe was on the other foot.. |
If the shoe was on the other foot my belief is that you wouldn’t be posting about it, or at least not so frequently or passionately, but entirely accept that’s a slight prejudiced view I’ve formed based on your contributions to this thread. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:12 - Feb 12 with 851 views | itfcjoe |
In an attempt to get equality of opportunity for all people, straight white men are now at the bottom of the pile when there is any attempt for diversification in any work place.
That's just how it is in the corporate world now as they attempt to redress the balances of the last hundred years, and those who are currently in that demographic will suffer because of it.
Academics will show the numbers as to why but that isn't going to change the real way people feel on the ground when they are overlooked for promotions, jobs, etc to inferior candidates and I could give a dozen examples from my previous career, and friends/family with what they are doing. Some are positive discrimination with black friends, or women in the work place......but in order to try and have people positively discriminated towards, then there is the flip side as it is a zero sum game often. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:12 - Feb 12 with 846 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:05 - Feb 12 by Jimmy86 |
What I'm aggrieved about is the difference in reaction this would receive by wider society, if the shoe was on the other foot.. |
But as has been pointed out by myself and others, you and many other people in society ARE reacting strongly to this. Meanwhile, racism towards black police officers is a DAILY reality and yet we don't see the same outrage daily about that from society, do we? So what you are aggrieved about seems to be based on a false perception. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:13 - Feb 12 with 842 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:49 - Feb 12 by Ryorry |
FWIW I think Jimmy’s intentions are probably good, but he’s gone down the erroneous “all lives matter” route. Hope he reads up to educate himself on the subject (why wouldn’t anyone really).
Feel free to tell me if I’m wrong Jimmy :) |
I believe in equality... I believe that everyone SHOULD be treated the same, regardless of their skin colour.. Kerr has added context to her comments by talking about the perceived white privilege of the officer, but to me, she didn't need to reference his skin colour as that's what could be perceived to being racist, when used the way she did..
What I don't agree with, is the fact the reaction would be a hell of a lot different from the public, not the jury, had the same slur been made against a black officer, as opposed to a white officer... I'm not offended by what she said.. or the fact she's been found not guilty.. I'm annoyed at the double standards of it all | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:14 - Feb 12 with 820 views | Herbivore |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:12 - Feb 12 by itfcjoe |
In an attempt to get equality of opportunity for all people, straight white men are now at the bottom of the pile when there is any attempt for diversification in any work place.
That's just how it is in the corporate world now as they attempt to redress the balances of the last hundred years, and those who are currently in that demographic will suffer because of it.
Academics will show the numbers as to why but that isn't going to change the real way people feel on the ground when they are overlooked for promotions, jobs, etc to inferior candidates and I could give a dozen examples from my previous career, and friends/family with what they are doing. Some are positive discrimination with black friends, or women in the work place......but in order to try and have people positively discriminated towards, then there is the flip side as it is a zero sum game often. |
So people will show with evidence that what you're saying is wrong but actually what you're saying is right? That seems to be the gist of it. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:16 - Feb 12 with 799 views | jayessess |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 10:54 - Feb 12 by itfcjoe |
I don't disagree, but people will always comment on things when we never have the full story that the jury have whether due to their own bias, reporting, pre-existing position and I'm no different in that respect.......and it will always be possible to say the jury system isn't perfect because of high profile cases (and because nothing is or can be)
I think my main issue here is that I have to listen to so much shizzle from GB News and the like parrotted to me by people around me that in the main I disgaree with I can see which way the general mood seems to be going......and I don't want to give them open goals to score of which this feels like one.
Talk of 'white privilege' is also massively unhelpful, and comes across as sneery from people on the left because like everything in this country it is class that dictates your privilege in the main but all attempts to diversify generally focus on race, religion, sexuality etc and that's the wrong areas (Said as a straight, white, public school boy who still thinks he is working class because that is how I grew up). Class is just the hardest thing to diversify, because it isn't fixed like many other features.
Sorry for the ramble - and none of that really aimed at you as these aren't the things you've said but just started on that point |
Thing about race/gender/sexuality is that they're different in type to class as a form of inequality.
We use class a lot to describe stuff that is about identity and culture, but at root it's economic relationships - who owns things, who works for whom, who owns property, who rents it, who wields power, who doesn't.
It's ultimately not amenable to diversification because however good your society gets at social mobility, those economic relations are still the same and someone has to be occupying the different roles. All you can do is move some people around (unless you dismantle the economic relationships entirely).
You could (hypothetically) have a capitalist society that was blind to race/gender/sexuality, that operated with no discrimination around those categories. But capitalism without class is an oxymoron. | |
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| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:17 - Feb 12 with 789 views | Jimmy86 |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:12 - Feb 12 by PassionNotAnger |
If the shoe was on the other foot my belief is that you wouldn’t be posting about it, or at least not so frequently or passionately, but entirely accept that’s a slight prejudiced view I’ve formed based on your contributions to this thread. |
Well, that's your belief. I've said on countless occasions I am against any form of racism.. it's absolutely deplorable and a stain on our society.. I'd be equally as outraged if this had been aimed at a Black person.. that's the point people seem to be missing or ignoring.. | | | |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 11:20 - Feb 12 with 767 views | giant_stow |
| Sam Kerr found not guilty of racial aggravated harassment on 08:28 - Feb 12 by ZapatasMoustache |
There’s no such thing as reverse racism. It can be rude, annoying, pointed etc but it doesn’t have the same dynamics at all. |
Small point of order: In a truly multicultural environment, its perfectly possible for a white person to be in a minority and treated with prejudice or racism. Its also perfectly possible for people of colour to be racist towards each other. |  |
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