| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 12:58 - Feb 20 with 5567 views | Bloots |
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| £10k fine for this on 12:59 - Feb 20 with 5554 views | Vic |
I was expecting more.
What I don't understand is that he said the player had given consent yet the report says "He described the kiss as an "act of affection", adding that in the moment it was "something completely spontaneous"."
If it was completely spontaneous how did she give consent? |  |
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| £10k fine for this on 13:01 - Feb 20 with 5542 views | HighgateBlue |
I'm quite unclear how something can be both a spontaneous act, AND something that you can be sure someone has given their consent for (assuming you've never done it to them before).
I suppose with his level of arrogance he probably thinks everyone is stupid.
Losing his job is probably a more severe blow to him than the fine, and one would like to think that his career will not exactly be the same again. But yes, he will almost certainly be celebrating. In an inappropriate manner, doubtless. |  | | |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:14 - Feb 20 with 5422 views | Mullet |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 12:58 - Feb 20 by Bloots |
….what do you think his punishment should have been? |
I’d have thought there is an argument for prison given the fact it’s a sexual offence, but as I said £10k seems light. Especially to a man as high up as him.
Would have expected a much heavier fine and some sort of community order equivalent. |  |
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| £10k fine for this on 13:18 - Feb 20 with 5380 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 13:01 - Feb 20 by HighgateBlue |
I'm quite unclear how something can be both a spontaneous act, AND something that you can be sure someone has given their consent for (assuming you've never done it to them before).
I suppose with his level of arrogance he probably thinks everyone is stupid.
Losing his job is probably a more severe blow to him than the fine, and one would like to think that his career will not exactly be the same again. But yes, he will almost certainly be celebrating. In an inappropriate manner, doubtless. |
I think you're right.
The guilty verdict is what people seemed to have wanted, and losing his job and presumably a significant proportion of future earnings will have hit him hard financially.
His name has been permanently tarnished too.
FWIW, I think it probably was a spontaneous act, but incredibly stupid on his part. |  |
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:19 - Feb 20 with 5369 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:14 - Feb 20 by Mullet |
I’d have thought there is an argument for prison given the fact it’s a sexual offence, but as I said £10k seems light. Especially to a man as high up as him.
Would have expected a much heavier fine and some sort of community order equivalent. |
Prison? Wow. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 13:19 - Feb 20 with 5368 views | Ryorry |
It’s undoubtedly light, I wonder if the judge/s were m or f.
At least global public shame and opprobrium followed from his offence. |  |
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| £10k fine for this on 13:24 - Feb 20 with 5329 views | Dubtractor |
I honestly think it is mad that this has ended up as a trial covered all over the world.
What he did was offensive and stupid, but if he'd held his hand up and properly apologised at the time, rather than doubling down and trying to bring the weight if the Spanish FA behind him, then that would probably have been that.
Instead, it became much bigger than the incident itself, and here we are. [Post edited 20 Feb 13:25]
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:24 - Feb 20 with 5322 views | yorkshireblue |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:19 - Feb 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Prison? Wow. |
What would you want to happen if your boss did that to you, in front of millions, threatened to sack you and then you and your family mgot death threats? |  | | |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:26 - Feb 20 with 5268 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 12:58 - Feb 20 by Bloots |
….what do you think his punishment should have been? |
He hasn't helped himself with the whole consent thing, he should have just said I was celebrating with her, I kissed her, i shouldn't have done, i've apologised and resigned and hope she can forgive me for getting caught up in the emotions. |  |
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:28 - Feb 20 with 5256 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:24 - Feb 20 by yorkshireblue |
What would you want to happen if your boss did that to you, in front of millions, threatened to sack you and then you and your family mgot death threats? |
To be fair, if it was in the midst of jubilant celebrations I would be happy with the outcome that has been given, for the reasons I stated earlier in the thread.
He was sacked, found guilty, had his life turned upside down etc etc. I wouldn't expect prison.
He wasn't responsible for the social media 'death threats'. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 13:31 - Feb 20 with 5210 views | BarcaBlue |
He has clearly lied and coerced following sexual aggression and the punishment doesn't even amount to a slap on the wrist.
Not particularly surprising given previous behaviour from Spanish courts but I expect there will be some serious fallout this time. |  | | |
| £10k fine for this on 13:40 - Feb 20 with 5099 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 13:31 - Feb 20 by BarcaBlue |
He has clearly lied and coerced following sexual aggression and the punishment doesn't even amount to a slap on the wrist.
Not particularly surprising given previous behaviour from Spanish courts but I expect there will be some serious fallout this time. |
He was acquitted of the coercion charge, so the punishment wouldn't take that into account. | |
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:40 - Feb 20 with 5106 views | Mullet |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:19 - Feb 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Prison? Wow. |
If you can’t see why the prosecution wanted it, especially in light of afterwards then it’s no surprise you’re surprised.
As I said I can see the argument for it, particularly in the setting precedent element of the case. The spotlight on abuse of power/sex in a world after #metoo changes things significantly from when we grew up.
Had he shown immediate remorse and regret I think the whole thing would have been very different. The fact he’s been fined so little almost vindicates the biggest critics of the whole affair. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 13:41 - Feb 20 with 5080 views | BasingstokeBlue |
Actually €10k fine (nearly £9k) |  |
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:42 - Feb 20 with 5074 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:40 - Feb 20 by Mullet |
If you can’t see why the prosecution wanted it, especially in light of afterwards then it’s no surprise you’re surprised.
As I said I can see the argument for it, particularly in the setting precedent element of the case. The spotlight on abuse of power/sex in a world after #metoo changes things significantly from when we grew up.
Had he shown immediate remorse and regret I think the whole thing would have been very different. The fact he’s been fined so little almost vindicates the biggest critics of the whole affair. |
Happy to agree to differ.
I think a heavier fine would have been appropriate, but certainly not prison.
That wouldn't be a good precedent to set in my view.
Its OK to disagree. | |
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:44 - Feb 20 with 5060 views | Mullet |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:42 - Feb 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Happy to agree to differ.
I think a heavier fine would have been appropriate, but certainly not prison.
That wouldn't be a good precedent to set in my view.
Its OK to disagree. |
You seem to be trying to convince yourself there. I mean having clearly misread my first post and not realising I wasn’t advocating he go to prison. | |
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:45 - Feb 20 with 5032 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:44 - Feb 20 by Mullet |
You seem to be trying to convince yourself there. I mean having clearly misread my first post and not realising I wasn’t advocating he go to prison. |
No worries, apologies if I misread this as you advocating prison;
"I’d have thought there is an argument for prison given the fact it’s a sexual offence."
We seem to be on the same page then. 😊 [Post edited 20 Feb 13:46]
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:48 - Feb 20 with 5002 views | blueasfook |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 12:58 - Feb 20 by Bloots |
….what do you think his punishment should have been? |
Forced to watch women's football for 10 years |  |
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:52 - Feb 20 with 4944 views | leitrimblue |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:48 - Feb 20 by blueasfook |
Forced to watch women's football for 10 years |
240 hours community service. He can spend every Sunday for the next 6 months painting Haverhill boxing club. If that doesn't put him on the straight an narrow nothing will |  | | |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:55 - Feb 20 with 4928 views | Illinoisblue |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:48 - Feb 20 by blueasfook |
Forced to watch women's football for 10 years |
Oof. Blueas has gone in high and with both feet. He’s given the ref a decision to make here. |  |
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:59 - Feb 20 with 4886 views | blueasfook |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:55 - Feb 20 by Illinoisblue |
Oof. Blueas has gone in high and with both feet. He’s given the ref a decision to make here. |
*rolls around on pitch as though injured himself* | |
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 14:08 - Feb 20 with 4766 views | BiGDonnie |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:14 - Feb 20 by Mullet |
I’d have thought there is an argument for prison given the fact it’s a sexual offence, but as I said £10k seems light. Especially to a man as high up as him.
Would have expected a much heavier fine and some sort of community order equivalent. |
Prison?
FFS |  |
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| £10k fine for this on 14:12 - Feb 20 with 4725 views | BiGDonnie |
| £10k fine for this on 13:24 - Feb 20 by Dubtractor |
I honestly think it is mad that this has ended up as a trial covered all over the world.
What he did was offensive and stupid, but if he'd held his hand up and properly apologised at the time, rather than doubling down and trying to bring the weight if the Spanish FA behind him, then that would probably have been that.
Instead, it became much bigger than the incident itself, and here we are. [Post edited 20 Feb 13:25]
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Was it even offensive? Anyone that's played team sports will celebrate in similar fashion.
Games gone. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 14:12 - Feb 20 with 4722 views | BlueDouglas |
| £10k fine for this on 12:59 - Feb 20 by Vic |
I was expecting more.
What I don't understand is that he said the player had given consent yet the report says "He described the kiss as an "act of affection", adding that in the moment it was "something completely spontaneous"."
If it was completely spontaneous how did she give consent? |
"If it was completely spontaneous how did she give consent?" Honest answer - if it's genuinely reciprocal. Didn't seem to be in this case |  | | |
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