| O'Shea and Greaves 10:04 - Feb 24 with 3794 views | portmanking |
Do we think that's a partnership with long-term potential? If I'm honest, I appear to be hugely in the minority regarding O'Shea, who I'm still on the fence with. As committed and wholehearted as he is, I feel like his technical ability and positioning leave quite a bit to be desired.
I can't help feeling neither O'Shea or Greaves thrive being the 'leader' and would do better with a more experienced head alongside them.
Could be a very different story with them in the Championship, of course. |  | | |  |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 10:08 - Feb 24 with 3513 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Greaves is 24 and DOS 25.
Bournemouth aside I think that must be one of the youngest pairings in the league ? I think both of them have the physical tools to keep improving. I would hope we can keep both of them for next season and get them playing regularly together, a full season and see what they can do.
That being said, I think Woolfenden has been pretty good whenever he has stepped in and can count himself unlucky he hasn't had more game time. |  |
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| O'Shea and Greaves on 10:30 - Feb 24 with 3408 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 10:08 - Feb 24 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Greaves is 24 and DOS 25.
Bournemouth aside I think that must be one of the youngest pairings in the league ? I think both of them have the physical tools to keep improving. I would hope we can keep both of them for next season and get them playing regularly together, a full season and see what they can do.
That being said, I think Woolfenden has been pretty good whenever he has stepped in and can count himself unlucky he hasn't had more game time. |
Good point regarding their age - they'll both grow from this experience. Greaves in particular was always going to be the long term successor to Burgess so I think he will stay.
As for O'Shea, I think he's very dominant aerially and likes to defend, but if he wanted to move on, I wouldn't object with Woolfenden a very capable and reliable option to step in.
Burgess has played well when he's stepped in too. Whether he's unlucky to have not played more, I'm not sure, depends on how you view it, but at one point this season, he was definitely very deserving of a place even if Greaves was fully fit. |  |
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| O'Shea and Greaves on 10:35 - Feb 24 with 3367 views | Bluefields |
Together in the Championship theyd be a significant pairing.
Greaves is no better than Burgess imo, his defensive positioning, along with Davis, leaves us continually exposed in the left channel.
O'Shea has been a good signing but is he that much better than Woolfenden?? | | | |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 10:37 - Feb 24 with 3343 views | BseaBlue |
I think we have the makings of a very decent back line for the championship next season. CB pairings of Greaves/O'Shea and Burgess/Wolfie will be quality. Add in Clarke/Johnson at RB and Townsend/One other at left back with Palmer behind them are we are pretty much there.
Same for the front players too really but obviously will need a couple of strikers. Central midfield is going to need the biggest overhaul. Would be nice if we could get Sheaf/Downes type in there. |  | | |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 10:45 - Feb 24 with 3290 views | portmanking |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 10:30 - Feb 24 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Good point regarding their age - they'll both grow from this experience. Greaves in particular was always going to be the long term successor to Burgess so I think he will stay.
As for O'Shea, I think he's very dominant aerially and likes to defend, but if he wanted to move on, I wouldn't object with Woolfenden a very capable and reliable option to step in.
Burgess has played well when he's stepped in too. Whether he's unlucky to have not played more, I'm not sure, depends on how you view it, but at one point this season, he was definitely very deserving of a place even if Greaves was fully fit. |
I think I'm in the same camp re. O'Shea and Woolfie. I'd rather sell O'Shea than Davis or Omari. The issue for O'Shea will be that he's likely to have 3 PL relegations on his CV this summer...
I think Greaves and Woolfie would be a more than decent Champ pairing, with Woolfie the ball-player, as per usual. I've been a tad underwhelmed by the distribution of Greaves as well as O'Shea, I have to say. [Post edited 24 Feb 10:46]
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| O'Shea and Greaves on 11:08 - Feb 24 with 3195 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 10:45 - Feb 24 by portmanking |
I think I'm in the same camp re. O'Shea and Woolfie. I'd rather sell O'Shea than Davis or Omari. The issue for O'Shea will be that he's likely to have 3 PL relegations on his CV this summer...
I think Greaves and Woolfie would be a more than decent Champ pairing, with Woolfie the ball-player, as per usual. I've been a tad underwhelmed by the distribution of Greaves as well as O'Shea, I have to say. [Post edited 24 Feb 10:46]
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I'm not really sure what fee we would command for O'Shea either. Brentford might be interested, but I don't think any PL club would be saying he's going to be a starter for them.
I think the obvious sale is Delap. Not a chance do we hold on to him. But him leaving does mean we don't really have to sell Omari or Davis. I don't think either player would be kicking the door down to leave either, but we must get promoted again at the first attempt to retain them long term. | |
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| O'Shea and Greaves on 11:15 - Feb 24 with 3145 views | Blooos |
I think O'shea's old school style can flatter to deceive sometimes, I like him and he clearly loves defending but were conceding so many of the same types of goals. How many times this season has a team just cut it across the box and someone has tapped it in?
Not convinced of Greaves at all, isnt strong enough and his positioning isnt good enough. Is also nowhere near as good on the ball as some suggested before he came. From his performances dont see any upgrade from Burgess so far. | | | |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 11:18 - Feb 24 with 3123 views | soupytwist |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 11:15 - Feb 24 by Blooos |
I think O'shea's old school style can flatter to deceive sometimes, I like him and he clearly loves defending but were conceding so many of the same types of goals. How many times this season has a team just cut it across the box and someone has tapped it in?
Not convinced of Greaves at all, isnt strong enough and his positioning isnt good enough. Is also nowhere near as good on the ball as some suggested before he came. From his performances dont see any upgrade from Burgess so far. |
I too remain unconvinced about Greaves. Perhaps saying that Muric actually wasn't the worst signing we made in the summer because we also signed Greaves (as I did in the first half on Saturday) was a tad unfair. |  | | |
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| O'Shea and Greaves on 11:31 - Feb 24 with 3054 views | PrideOfTheEast |
Suspect it's like any partnership and would benefit from a load of games together which they haven't really had. So much change to that back 4 throughout the season can't have helped at all. | | | |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 11:55 - Feb 24 with 2951 views | WeirdFishes |
I really like O’Shea and think Delap aside has been our best signing.
I think for him the best thing is to stay here next season and develop a partnership with Greaves rather than moving back to Burnley or Sheffield United for a 4th relegation. |  |
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| O'Shea and Greaves on 12:00 - Feb 24 with 2890 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 11:55 - Feb 24 by WeirdFishes |
I really like O’Shea and think Delap aside has been our best signing.
I think for him the best thing is to stay here next season and develop a partnership with Greaves rather than moving back to Burnley or Sheffield United for a 4th relegation. |
Unless Leeds come in for him I can't believe he'd leave for the other likely promoted clubs. Reckon he'll see us as a better long term bet, and will give it a year. | | | |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 12:05 - Feb 24 with 2859 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 11:08 - Feb 24 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
I'm not really sure what fee we would command for O'Shea either. Brentford might be interested, but I don't think any PL club would be saying he's going to be a starter for them.
I think the obvious sale is Delap. Not a chance do we hold on to him. But him leaving does mean we don't really have to sell Omari or Davis. I don't think either player would be kicking the door down to leave either, but we must get promoted again at the first attempt to retain them long term. |
I’d be absolutely stunned if we went down and Omari was playing championship football next season. |  |
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| O'Shea and Greaves on 12:08 - Feb 24 with 2807 views | FrimleyBlue |
Greaves for me looked really solid, but only when he had Szmodics on the left with Davis, Davis leaving massive gaps leaves Greaves exposed, only Szmodics provided the level of defensive cover Greaves needed when Davis was out of position and his left side needed protection. |  |
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| O'Shea and Greaves on 12:11 - Feb 24 with 2802 views | itfcsuth |
They tick a lot of boxes for a really good CB pairing for years to come.
Physical profile, the ages, the balance of right foot / left foot.
I think O'Shea has done well in the PL actually, I think Greaves has done ok but has probably struggled a little bit more.
You would have to say, in the Championship though, you'd do well to find a better pairing than them 2 - and if we could understudy with Woolfenden & Burgess it would be a really strong department of the squad. |  | | |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 12:14 - Feb 24 with 2766 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 12:05 - Feb 24 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’d be absolutely stunned if we went down and Omari was playing championship football next season. |
In all honesty, me too.
I made a point on a post recently about how he's ideal for a mid table sized PL club who can afford the luxury to integrate him into their team over a year or so, without the pressure on his shoulders. Bournemouth & Fulham are probably good examples. Neither will be under serious threat of relegation, but he probably gives them a better option than a David Brooks or Harry Wilson off the bench. | |
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| O'Shea and Greaves on 13:15 - Feb 24 with 2592 views | Nutkins_Return |
Have no concerns on those two. Will be become an outstanding CB pairing in my opinion. | |
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| O'Shea and Greaves on 13:31 - Feb 24 with 2533 views | bournemouthblue |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 10:35 - Feb 24 by Bluefields |
Together in the Championship theyd be a significant pairing.
Greaves is no better than Burgess imo, his defensive positioning, along with Davis, leaves us continually exposed in the left channel.
O'Shea has been a good signing but is he that much better than Woolfenden?? |
Burgess positionally is better I would agree, Greaves is probably more mobile and slightly better on the ball, albeit you'd probably argue that his understanding with Davis isn't as good and Burgess is better at finding those long balls to Davis. That maybe a moot point if Davis moves on.
I think McKenna is always worried about Burgess' pace in the PL but you can't say he has really put a foot wrong when asked to do a job
Dara O'Shea may well be wanted by PL sides next season given he looks a PL quality defender, whether we are prepared to sell him or loan him out perhaps, who knows.
The defence on paper in the Championship should be fairly solid you would say, the right back area is less of an issue in the Championship.
The problem areas will be central midfield and finding that magic striker who can get goals and kick on potentially, those are the two weaknesses I see.
We need to evolve the side in central midfield. [Post edited 24 Feb 13:31]
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| O'Shea and Greaves on 14:22 - Feb 24 with 2404 views | TractorJack |
I don't think we've quite seen the same performance levels from Greaves since before his injury earlier in the season. |  | | |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 14:41 - Feb 24 with 2335 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 12:14 - Feb 24 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
In all honesty, me too.
I made a point on a post recently about how he's ideal for a mid table sized PL club who can afford the luxury to integrate him into their team over a year or so, without the pressure on his shoulders. Bournemouth & Fulham are probably good examples. Neither will be under serious threat of relegation, but he probably gives them a better option than a David Brooks or Harry Wilson off the bench. |
My son is a Fulham fan - he may not admit it but I suspect he would swap Smith-Rowe for Omari every day of the week | | | |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 15:12 - Feb 24 with 2258 views | Swailsey |
I would personally have O’Shea and Burgess in. I keep hearing about Greaves’ potential, but he hasn’t made the step up as well as Cam has, and was part of a Hull team that underperformed last year. I rate Greaves and he has a higher ceiling, but not to the tune of what we paid for him - we also need players performing NOW.
I think there isn’t much between Woolfie and O’Shea either. As another poster pointed out, O’Shea loses his man a lot and Greaves plays some terrible balls across the box. Not a huge upgrade for me - and I would have been happy with the same pairing as last year. Based on performances (and direct errors which lead to goals), Woolfie and Cam deserve to be playing, and are seemingly only not because they didn’t cost a bomb.
Something all 4 have in common is a real lack of a goal threat from the back, we really don’t make enough of our set plays. [Post edited 24 Feb 15:15]
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| O'Shea and Greaves on 16:18 - Feb 24 with 2112 views | Garv |
Assuming we're down and they're going to be the partnership next season, yes.
Been hugely disappointed with Greaves this season though, looks unsure both positionally and with the ball at his feet. Great for defending crosses but how many of those do we actually have to defend? I don't remember Spurs slinging the ball into the box very often on Saturday, as an example.
O'Shea clearly has a bit about him and isn't afraid to play some passes, sometimes it can get him in trouble but I don't remember any major mistakes that led to big chances/goals. And he's an old school physical defender too. On the whole I think he's been our best permanent signing behind Delap and Hutchinson. |  |
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| O'Shea and Greaves on 16:32 - Feb 24 with 2060 views | itfc48 |
Personally I don't think Burgess will be here next season. He's entering his prime and he won't want to spend those years sat on the bench behind Greaves. | | | |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 23:14 - Feb 24 with 1765 views | reusersfreekicks |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 11:15 - Feb 24 by Blooos |
I think O'shea's old school style can flatter to deceive sometimes, I like him and he clearly loves defending but were conceding so many of the same types of goals. How many times this season has a team just cut it across the box and someone has tapped it in?
Not convinced of Greaves at all, isnt strong enough and his positioning isnt good enough. Is also nowhere near as good on the ball as some suggested before he came. From his performances dont see any upgrade from Burgess so far. |
Burgess has been hard done by this season imo |  | | |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 01:30 - Feb 25 with 1682 views | IPS_wich |
I personally have O'Shea as the only player close to Delap for Player of the Season so far.
I love Woolfie, but in the first couple of games this season his lack of pace was horribly exposed. What I don't understand is why when we shifted to wing backs away to Spurs we haven't persevered with it as our core formation - I thought we have looked our best with a back three of O'Shea, Woolfie and Greaves/Burgess. Woolfie was made for the sweeper role.
Greaves looked immense until his injury but hasn't got back to that level since returning. If Burgess was named at Old Trafford I wouldn't have a single issue with the decision. | | | |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 06:38 - Feb 25 with 1564 views | Blue_Heath |
| O'Shea and Greaves on 15:12 - Feb 24 by Swailsey |
I would personally have O’Shea and Burgess in. I keep hearing about Greaves’ potential, but he hasn’t made the step up as well as Cam has, and was part of a Hull team that underperformed last year. I rate Greaves and he has a higher ceiling, but not to the tune of what we paid for him - we also need players performing NOW.
I think there isn’t much between Woolfie and O’Shea either. As another poster pointed out, O’Shea loses his man a lot and Greaves plays some terrible balls across the box. Not a huge upgrade for me - and I would have been happy with the same pairing as last year. Based on performances (and direct errors which lead to goals), Woolfie and Cam deserve to be playing, and are seemingly only not because they didn’t cost a bomb.
Something all 4 have in common is a real lack of a goal threat from the back, we really don’t make enough of our set plays. [Post edited 24 Feb 15:15]
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This for me is the issue this season in many areas we have players with very little to choose between them. We needed significant upgrades into first team rather than 2 teams the same.
We now have a bunch of hero to zero types who won't wanna be here next year due to lack of game time and the replacements may feel they belong in the prem.
Re-building for next season is going to be a huge job in my opinion. | | | |
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