| Down with a whimper 06:58 - Mar 10 with 5211 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Or down with some fight..
I seriously hope it’s the latter, but right now I’m not so sure.
This is where you learn a lot about players! |  |
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| Down with a whimper on 07:12 - Mar 10 with 3749 views | tcblue |
Can you point to players who aren't giving their all?
We're just not good enough. Which isn't surprising given where we were two seasons ago.
It's important to accept this, for me anyway. There's some developing nonsense narratives about other reasons ("Muric sent us down!" etc), but the real story is that we have a long term plan and have bought - largely - quite sensibly to build a young squad who will grow over the next few seasons.
Of course, I'm terribly disappointed about Saturday. I thought we deserved at least a point. But that in itself makes me pinch myself. Next season is going to.be great, I loved the excitement of the Championship and - riches aside - won't miss the PL.
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| Down with a whimper on 07:21 - Mar 10 with 3704 views | ITFC_Forever |
Kayden Jackson’s fault… Def Info. |  |
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| Down with a whimper on 07:55 - Mar 10 with 3599 views | Churchman |
| Down with a whimper on 07:12 - Mar 10 by tcblue |
Can you point to players who aren't giving their all?
We're just not good enough. Which isn't surprising given where we were two seasons ago.
It's important to accept this, for me anyway. There's some developing nonsense narratives about other reasons ("Muric sent us down!" etc), but the real story is that we have a long term plan and have bought - largely - quite sensibly to build a young squad who will grow over the next few seasons.
Of course, I'm terribly disappointed about Saturday. I thought we deserved at least a point. But that in itself makes me pinch myself. Next season is going to.be great, I loved the excitement of the Championship and - riches aside - won't miss the PL.
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The players are giving their all. I know what it looks like when players don’t. Anyone witness McGiven/Lyall’s mob against Sheffield Weds or Jewell’s shower at the end of his time? That’s what not giving your all looks like.
You are right. We are not good enough. Some players have done well, others ok, some have struggled. I think the management team has struggled too. When I think about what I’ve witnessed in terms of the gap, it’s not surprising even if it’s massively disappointing. The other promoted teams have had a similar experience and that says a lot about the Premier League.
I’d hoped we’d improve as the season progressed. We haven’t really, but the opposition has. Off the pitch it’s not been seamless (seat disturbance from PL away allocations, 100+ projects, silly security queues outside) but given the task the ground has looked smart and the club has presented itself well.
It is what it is. We’ve come up short and I’m gutted about it like everyone else. For me, it’s not about picking on individuals and wasting energy on the blame game. it’s now about what can we take from the experience, analysing every aspect and moving the club and team forward.
We know what the PL is now. I don’t like it much, but it is the top of the professional pile so we of course want to be there and be the best we can be.
Lots to do and hopefully look forward to. |  | | |
| Down with a whimper on 08:07 - Mar 10 with 3571 views | WinchBlue |
| Down with a whimper on 07:12 - Mar 10 by tcblue |
Can you point to players who aren't giving their all?
We're just not good enough. Which isn't surprising given where we were two seasons ago.
It's important to accept this, for me anyway. There's some developing nonsense narratives about other reasons ("Muric sent us down!" etc), but the real story is that we have a long term plan and have bought - largely - quite sensibly to build a young squad who will grow over the next few seasons.
Of course, I'm terribly disappointed about Saturday. I thought we deserved at least a point. But that in itself makes me pinch myself. Next season is going to.be great, I loved the excitement of the Championship and - riches aside - won't miss the PL.
COYB |
The 3 that were promoted will go down as happened last year. With current new FFP rules this may well turn out to be the norm.
2 of The 3 that went down last year are in the top3 champ places. Leeds are a surprise package & who knows what happened to Luton.
See how things develope over the next few seasons but it could be that the prem becomes a closed shop with a handful of yo-yo clubs. |  | | |
| Down with a whimper on 08:40 - Mar 10 with 3480 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Our players have been fighting and working hard all season. We just don't have the quality.
Why on earth wouldn't we go down doing the same ? |  |
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| Down with a whimper on 09:00 - Mar 10 with 3406 views | bobbyramsey |
You mean down "WITHOUT" a whimper |  | | |
| Down with a whimper on 09:08 - Mar 10 with 3373 views | tcblue |
The biggest loss in going down will be the chance to sign Cajuste on a permanent but I suspect he'd want PL wages in any case and we can rebuild CM over the summer.
We likely will lose Delap but I don't think we'll have to part ways with anyone else unless it is on our terms. Including McKenna, whom I believe has also not been good enough for PL just yet but will grow into it with us.
Plenty to be positive about. The rest of the season we use to really shape the squad for a blistering Championship campaign | | | |
| Down with a whimper on 19:43 - Mar 10 with 3113 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Down with a whimper on 07:12 - Mar 10 by tcblue |
Can you point to players who aren't giving their all?
We're just not good enough. Which isn't surprising given where we were two seasons ago.
It's important to accept this, for me anyway. There's some developing nonsense narratives about other reasons ("Muric sent us down!" etc), but the real story is that we have a long term plan and have bought - largely - quite sensibly to build a young squad who will grow over the next few seasons.
Of course, I'm terribly disappointed about Saturday. I thought we deserved at least a point. But that in itself makes me pinch myself. Next season is going to.be great, I loved the excitement of the Championship and - riches aside - won't miss the PL.
COYB |
I was posing the question, not singling out players!
Collectively, we are currently going down without much fight. | |
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| Down with a whimper on 20:05 - Mar 10 with 3070 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Down with a whimper on 19:43 - Mar 10 by Wallingford_Boy |
I was posing the question, not singling out players!
Collectively, we are currently going down without much fight. |
Poppycock! |  |
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| Down with a whimper on 20:27 - Mar 10 with 3031 views | BarcaBlue |
| Down with a whimper on 19:43 - Mar 10 by Wallingford_Boy |
I was posing the question, not singling out players!
Collectively, we are currently going down without much fight. |
That really is complete and unadulterated nonsense. If all the players only gave 90% each week we'd be absolutely mullered by every other team. There is no evidence that they've lost the fight, that they're taking it easy or have given up. It's pretty insulting to even suggest that.
It's become clear we aren't quite good enough to compete over the season but close enough that we have competed well in the majority of games, including the last two against Palace and Forest. Suggesting there's no fight is just a nonsense take on this season, or the last few games, whatever you are referring to. |  | | |
| Down with a whimper on 20:34 - Mar 10 with 2993 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Down with a whimper on 19:43 - Mar 10 by Wallingford_Boy |
I was posing the question, not singling out players!
Collectively, we are currently going down without much fight. |
In fairness wally
The players are doing the best they can when selected
I dont feel there's much fight from the management team personally with the same style. Same sub routine etc despite it not actually working at all this season. But it does bode well for getting players ready for next season. |  |
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| Down with a whimper on 20:57 - Mar 10 with 2937 views | StokieBlue |
| Down with a whimper on 20:34 - Mar 10 by FrimleyBlue |
In fairness wally
The players are doing the best they can when selected
I dont feel there's much fight from the management team personally with the same style. Same sub routine etc despite it not actually working at all this season. But it does bode well for getting players ready for next season. |
Over the last couple of months you've accused McKenna of not trying to win matches and now of having no fight.
There is no evidence of either and it's pretty insulting to McKenna.
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| Down with a whimper on 21:19 - Mar 10 with 2862 views | BarcaBlue |
| Down with a whimper on 20:34 - Mar 10 by FrimleyBlue |
In fairness wally
The players are doing the best they can when selected
I dont feel there's much fight from the management team personally with the same style. Same sub routine etc despite it not actually working at all this season. But it does bode well for getting players ready for next season. |
I think you're confusing what McKenna thinks is best and your interpretation of something you think should be different. Just because he's doesn't have the same thoughts as you in no way equates to him giving up or not putting in enough effort. You've been basically saying that he's given up the fight and lacks care because you don't agree with his tactics. | | | |
| Down with a whimper on 21:47 - Mar 10 with 2794 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Down with a whimper on 20:57 - Mar 10 by StokieBlue |
Over the last couple of months you've accused McKenna of not trying to win matches and now of having no fight.
There is no evidence of either and it's pretty insulting to McKenna.
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No I said more than a couple months ago I didn't feel he cared.
I don't personally see a fight from him no.
If he tried something different then I'd feel different that's my evidence. I don't need you to agree. | |
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| Down with a whimper on 21:53 - Mar 10 with 2773 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Down with a whimper on 21:19 - Mar 10 by BarcaBlue |
I think you're confusing what McKenna thinks is best and your interpretation of something you think should be different. Just because he's doesn't have the same thoughts as you in no way equates to him giving up or not putting in enough effort. You've been basically saying that he's given up the fight and lacks care because you don't agree with his tactics. |
All a personal opinion barca.
For me. Someone given a 5 year upgraded deal worth multi millions should really be trying something different to keep the club up.
Doing the same thing each week when it doesn't work is imo just someone going through the motions.
Again. Not something you have to agree with. Was just bringing it up | |
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| Down with a whimper on 22:05 - Mar 10 with 2750 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Down with a whimper on 21:19 - Mar 10 by BarcaBlue |
I think you're confusing what McKenna thinks is best and your interpretation of something you think should be different. Just because he's doesn't have the same thoughts as you in no way equates to him giving up or not putting in enough effort. You've been basically saying that he's given up the fight and lacks care because you don't agree with his tactics. |
All a personal opinion barca.
For me. Someone given a 5 year upgraded deal worth multi millions should really be trying something different to keep the club up.
Doing the same thing each week when it doesn't work is imo just someone going through the motions.
I only mentioned it on this thread due to the OP and I don't agree it's on the players who can only do their best when selected. | |
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| Down with a whimper on 22:11 - Mar 10 with 2722 views | BarcaBlue |
| Down with a whimper on 21:53 - Mar 10 by FrimleyBlue |
All a personal opinion barca.
For me. Someone given a 5 year upgraded deal worth multi millions should really be trying something different to keep the club up.
Doing the same thing each week when it doesn't work is imo just someone going through the motions.
Again. Not something you have to agree with. Was just bringing it up |
When was the last time that the team was announced and you thought, wow, that's a really strong bench? Maybe not since the Championship campaign.
There's loads of suggestions on here that we need to play two up top, we need to drop Delap, we need to play three in midfield, 5 at the back, 4 at the back, 3 at the back. Not doing those don't equate to the manager going through the motions, not caring or giving up. He just has a different plan and possibly more experience than others.
There also appears to be no evidence that the players themselves don't believe in what he wants from the team. I just don't see that either them or McKenna have lost any will to do what they think is best in terms of fight, effort or whatever. | | | |
| Down with a whimper on 22:53 - Mar 10 with 2627 views | Olcol |
I hope it's a dogged fight WITH survival. Forever an optimist, COYB. | | | |
| Down with a whimper on 07:13 - Mar 11 with 2414 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Down with a whimper on 22:05 - Mar 10 by FrimleyBlue |
All a personal opinion barca.
For me. Someone given a 5 year upgraded deal worth multi millions should really be trying something different to keep the club up.
Doing the same thing each week when it doesn't work is imo just someone going through the motions.
I only mentioned it on this thread due to the OP and I don't agree it's on the players who can only do their best when selected. |
Same as the OP, your opinion is poppycock.
You can change the tactics as much as you want, the problem is the players aren't quite good enough at the moment. They might need more time to get up to speed at this level, or to gel with each other, or they might never be good enough. But none of this is evidence that McKenna has given up and is just going through the motions. You don't appear to understand what evidence is. | |
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| Down with a whimper on 07:28 - Mar 11 with 2364 views | Benters |
Don’t worry bout a thing.. |  |
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| Down with a whimper on 07:32 - Mar 11 with 2337 views | NeedhamChris |
| Down with a whimper on 07:28 - Mar 11 by Benters |
Don’t worry bout a thing.. |
Cause every single post, someone's here to fight | |
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| Down with a whimper on 07:55 - Mar 11 with 2245 views | Churchman |
| Down with a whimper on 21:47 - Mar 10 by FrimleyBlue |
No I said more than a couple months ago I didn't feel he cared.
I don't personally see a fight from him no.
If he tried something different then I'd feel different that's my evidence. I don't need you to agree. |
He cares, FB. McKenna is a very professional man who will throw 100% into everything he does. Everything about him screams that. He is controlled and avoids Cook style toy throwing which is counter productive.
He is doing his best with what he has, but the maths are that we are the equivalent of Forest Green in L1 a couple of years ago trying to defy financial and infrastructure gravity. The difference is we have the potential to match or surpass the Brightons of this world, but not this year.
McKenna has made mistakes in my view. So has the people above him, players, you name it. It’s the way of it when you do stuff. The trick is always to learn and to try not to repeat them.
Looking back, I cannot think of an ITFC manager that didn’t care. Plenty of useless ones, but I could never accuse them of not being interested. How hapless was Jewell, but he cared alright. They all did whatever degree of uselessness they showed. | | | |
| Down with a whimper on 07:55 - Mar 11 with 2247 views | SomethingBlue |
| Down with a whimper on 21:47 - Mar 10 by FrimleyBlue |
No I said more than a couple months ago I didn't feel he cared.
I don't personally see a fight from him no.
If he tried something different then I'd feel different that's my evidence. I don't need you to agree. |
Upvoted in error – and what an error because, and I really don't care how rude this sounds, you are speaking utter garbage. | |
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| Down with a whimper on 08:01 - Mar 11 with 2229 views | Herbivore |
| Down with a whimper on 07:55 - Mar 11 by Churchman |
He cares, FB. McKenna is a very professional man who will throw 100% into everything he does. Everything about him screams that. He is controlled and avoids Cook style toy throwing which is counter productive.
He is doing his best with what he has, but the maths are that we are the equivalent of Forest Green in L1 a couple of years ago trying to defy financial and infrastructure gravity. The difference is we have the potential to match or surpass the Brightons of this world, but not this year.
McKenna has made mistakes in my view. So has the people above him, players, you name it. It’s the way of it when you do stuff. The trick is always to learn and to try not to repeat them.
Looking back, I cannot think of an ITFC manager that didn’t care. Plenty of useless ones, but I could never accuse them of not being interested. How hapless was Jewell, but he cared alright. They all did whatever degree of uselessness they showed. |
Lambert didn't really care but he's the exception. Frimmers is talking nonsense again. |  |
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| Down with a whimper on 08:21 - Mar 11 with 2179 views | StokieBlue |
| Down with a whimper on 07:32 - Mar 11 by NeedhamChris |
Cause every single post, someone's here to fight |
For someone who spends a lot of time accusing others of being rude or provocative you're rather rude and provocative.
You've offered nothing to the debate, just took a pop at other posters who have rightly highlight that that the post is nonsense.
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