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So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 20:56 - Mar 18 by Lord_Lucan
Until very recently China was a load of B roads at best with a load of weird looking cars and vans derived from motorbikes.
Now it is motorway central and no one has a cr4p car.
I'm not a car fan but I have to say that some of the Chinese vehicles are unbelievable. They don't even have rear mirrors, you are watching a blooming live video.
I was last there in January and saw this EV in a shopping mall, I was in a rush but I think it was a Buik / China hybrid.
Yours to drive away for US $28,000
Worth going there and driving one back to the UK if you can get enough charging points....!
I'm sure I will reluctantly end up with an electric car at some point given the way the winds blowing, but not interested in any of them at the mo. Feel like the tech needs to improve a generation still, as well as becoming more affordable.
When I do, I don't see much point having scruples about the CEO and his behaviour. What's to say the alternative options are any better (ie Chinese companies, as already highlighted).
As for the share price, was inflated anyway, was ripe for some correction.
So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 19:59 - Mar 19 by Swansea_Blue
Do you know how the MG’s are holding up, because the Chinese made vans are shoite and start falling apart after a couple of years.
Cleevely Mobile have a fleet of MG5s as their mobile mechanic vehicles.
The YouTube channel of the company owners has several videos examining how the cars are standing up to the rigours of lots of use. Search for James and Kate EV on YouTube
Seem to be doing OK.
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So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 15:48 - Mar 20 with 1465 views
So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 13:45 - Mar 20 by DanTheMan
I can see very little from their fundamentals that suggests they are worth more than almost every other car manufacturer combined.
Their valuation seems to be based on their future robo-taxis but given they've been promising FSD for years and it's still nowhere near ready, I don't see that being at all likely.
That's combined with Musk annoying Tesla's entire target market.
Going further, other car manufacturers have caught up with decent vehicles and good prices.
Other than hype and maybe a risky future bet they pull off something spectacular I fail to see what is so great about them.
Energy storage is another key thing here.
Tesla will end up being an energy company that just happens to make cars. Just like McDonalds is a real estate company that just happens to sell burgers
So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 15:05 - Mar 20 by baxterbasics
I'm sure I will reluctantly end up with an electric car at some point given the way the winds blowing, but not interested in any of them at the mo. Feel like the tech needs to improve a generation still, as well as becoming more affordable.
When I do, I don't see much point having scruples about the CEO and his behaviour. What's to say the alternative options are any better (ie Chinese companies, as already highlighted).
As for the share price, was inflated anyway, was ripe for some correction.
Genuinely out of interest what makes you say that on the tech? Have you driven some decent ones. For me switching to an EV felt like when we went from Nokia's/Motorola's to iPhone. It's a complete step change forward.
There has been a bizarre almost pride (not saying you) from people saying "would never want a oversized golf cart", "never going electric etc". It's so bizarre. They are just miles better than diesel/petrol cars. Wouldnt go back in a million years. The wife got a more budget EV as well recently and it's brilliant still.
The tech is generally fantastic in them. A good load of them can just drive themselves which is mad.
People absolutely love to hate Tesla's and badge of honour to say they are rubbish etc. It's just nonsense.
The only logical reason not to want one, which is where I'm moving to, is just a complete hatred of Musk. But that's recent.
So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 15:11 - Mar 20 by soupytwist
Cleevely Mobile have a fleet of MG5s as their mobile mechanic vehicles.
The YouTube channel of the company owners has several videos examining how the cars are standing up to the rigours of lots of use. Search for James and Kate EV on YouTube
So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 20:17 - Mar 18 by DanTheMan
Given how hard CEOs apparently work, I'm amazed he has time to sleep given he is CEO of:
X Tesla SpaceX Boring Company
And then as well as that he's got DOGE as well.
And finds time to tweet about random nonsense all day.
And finds time to be a pro-gamer™.
It's really telling that this was buried somewhat in contrast to all the other stuff he does, but he had to admit he was paying people to pretend to be him in Diablo.
It's (pointless, childish) grifts, all the way down
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So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 11:53 - Mar 21 with 990 views
So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 19:09 - Mar 20 by Nutkins_Return
Genuinely out of interest what makes you say that on the tech? Have you driven some decent ones. For me switching to an EV felt like when we went from Nokia's/Motorola's to iPhone. It's a complete step change forward.
There has been a bizarre almost pride (not saying you) from people saying "would never want a oversized golf cart", "never going electric etc". It's so bizarre. They are just miles better than diesel/petrol cars. Wouldnt go back in a million years. The wife got a more budget EV as well recently and it's brilliant still.
The tech is generally fantastic in them. A good load of them can just drive themselves which is mad.
People absolutely love to hate Tesla's and badge of honour to say they are rubbish etc. It's just nonsense.
The only logical reason not to want one, which is where I'm moving to, is just a complete hatred of Musk. But that's recent.
Plenty of articles like this, but they maybe Musk hatred driven. I gather that peculiar cyber truck Trump was dribbling over disassembles trim parts, but that maybe myth.
It is a matter of opinion, but my experience of a very expensive (£50k plus) electric car is very much ‘if I have to’. Not only are they heavy road chewers, there was no fun or feel to the one I borrowed at all. Hellish fast though. The range on them is on an assumption you won’t accelerate. And driving it there’s a temptation to look at the range meter rather than the road.
There were plenty of toys on it, but no more than my planet eater. There are also changing in terms of range, reliability, tech which means if you buy one it’s resale value will plummet with rapid obsolescence.
I’ll obviously be forced to acquire one eventually, but let’s hope it has a decent range on it (500+ miles minimum) when that depressing day happens. Oh how I chuckled when the man at Gatwick was collecting his electric box was going nuts because they could only put x amount of charge in it and he said ‘I can’t get home on that. What am I supposed to do?’. I was tempted to suggest buying a car like mine with an engine in it that has a range of 550 miles, but decided he was depressed enough.
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So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 12:01 - Mar 21 with 963 views
So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 11:53 - Mar 21 by Churchman
Plenty of articles like this, but they maybe Musk hatred driven. I gather that peculiar cyber truck Trump was dribbling over disassembles trim parts, but that maybe myth.
It is a matter of opinion, but my experience of a very expensive (£50k plus) electric car is very much ‘if I have to’. Not only are they heavy road chewers, there was no fun or feel to the one I borrowed at all. Hellish fast though. The range on them is on an assumption you won’t accelerate. And driving it there’s a temptation to look at the range meter rather than the road.
There were plenty of toys on it, but no more than my planet eater. There are also changing in terms of range, reliability, tech which means if you buy one it’s resale value will plummet with rapid obsolescence.
I’ll obviously be forced to acquire one eventually, but let’s hope it has a decent range on it (500+ miles minimum) when that depressing day happens. Oh how I chuckled when the man at Gatwick was collecting his electric box was going nuts because they could only put x amount of charge in it and he said ‘I can’t get home on that. What am I supposed to do?’. I was tempted to suggest buying a car like mine with an engine in it that has a range of 550 miles, but decided he was depressed enough.
I just don't think they are the answer, I still think they are a massive Betamax Squarial.
If the 20MPH is effective in saving lives then they will have to reduce that further with the weight of EV's, the pothole situation will get worse and aren't we already seeing wars over mining rights, Isn't it about mining for batteries?
Also, I've hardly got time to diesel up, let alone wait for an electric charge
Hydrogen baby.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 12:01 - Mar 21 by Lord_Lucan
I just don't think they are the answer, I still think they are a massive Betamax Squarial.
If the 20MPH is effective in saving lives then they will have to reduce that further with the weight of EV's, the pothole situation will get worse and aren't we already seeing wars over mining rights, Isn't it about mining for batteries?
Also, I've hardly got time to diesel up, let alone wait for an electric charge
Hydrogen baby.
Hydrogen isn't the answer for you. Synthetic fuels might be
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So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 12:08 - Mar 21 with 943 views
So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 12:01 - Mar 21 by Lord_Lucan
I just don't think they are the answer, I still think they are a massive Betamax Squarial.
If the 20MPH is effective in saving lives then they will have to reduce that further with the weight of EV's, the pothole situation will get worse and aren't we already seeing wars over mining rights, Isn't it about mining for batteries?
Also, I've hardly got time to diesel up, let alone wait for an electric charge
Hydrogen baby.
I think hydrogen has always been the answer. Just needs the clever people to make the fuel cheap enough.
Batteries consist of some of the most corrosive substances on the planet and yes, part of the land grabs is all about that as far as I’m aware. I gather a high percentage of them can be recycled but are they and who is paying for it? More questions than answers.
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So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 12:28 - Mar 21 with 909 views
So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 12:14 - Mar 21 by Churchman
I think hydrogen has always been the answer. Just needs the clever people to make the fuel cheap enough.
Batteries consist of some of the most corrosive substances on the planet and yes, part of the land grabs is all about that as far as I’m aware. I gather a high percentage of them can be recycled but are they and who is paying for it? More questions than answers.
I have only really heard about the term "rich earth" and "rare earth" since EV battery panic and now we have Trump trying to grab Canada, Greenland and Ukraine.
This isn't making the climate great again.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 21:11 - Mar 20 by Swansea_Blue
Interesting thanks
One thing to bear in mind with the MG5s is that they are an established petrol/diesel-engined car platform that has been converted to an EV. So, most of the bits were tried and tested in another format.
Whether the ground-up developed MG EVs (like the MG4) are the same it's hard to tell but they seem to have got the battery management, electric motor and other tech in them sorted enough to make the 5 tolerant of heavy use. I don't think they're making the 5 any more.
The MG ZS has always been available as EV and combustion engined so maybe that's a decent bet for similar high mileage performance as the 5 seems to be.
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So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 15:29 - Mar 21 with 778 views
So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 12:14 - Mar 21 by Churchman
I think hydrogen has always been the answer. Just needs the clever people to make the fuel cheap enough.
Batteries consist of some of the most corrosive substances on the planet and yes, part of the land grabs is all about that as far as I’m aware. I gather a high percentage of them can be recycled but are they and who is paying for it? More questions than answers.
I read that Sizewell C are trialing Hydrogen fuelled buses to ferry their staff to work.
They can fuel up a hydrogen bus in 8 mins.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
So is Tesla destined for the bin? on 12:14 - Mar 21 by Churchman
I think hydrogen has always been the answer. Just needs the clever people to make the fuel cheap enough.
Batteries consist of some of the most corrosive substances on the planet and yes, part of the land grabs is all about that as far as I’m aware. I gather a high percentage of them can be recycled but are they and who is paying for it? More questions than answers.
Hydrogen vehicles typically have a battery as well…
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