| Visiting America on 16:34 - Mar 21 with 2188 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Visiting America on 10:59 - Mar 21 by lowhouseblue |
It’s the hypocrisy of people who (rightly) criticise trump for pushing back on free speech when we know full well given the chance they’d support doing the exact same thing only to different people.
Which of your three replies will this get? |
You are being a touch disingenuous.
Any of us who are middle aged have grown up with the USA as the "leader of the Free World", staunchly proud of it's Constitutional Right to Free Speech, and emphasis on Democracy.
In addition, it's Iconography supporting this includes the Statue of Liberty, which implores the world to "give me your poor", and the last line of the song they love singing at every opportunity is "In the land of the free, and the hole of the brave."
We have consumed as much US media output as UK for decades, and our stories as nations have intertwined for the whole of our lives.
So when that all gets thrown in the air by a President, it is more worthy of note to a British audience than Aung in Myanmar/Burma going from being a darling of freedom to repressive as soon as she gained power, for example. |  | |  |
| Visiting America on 17:06 - Mar 21 with 2144 views | BlueForYou |
When I visit the US, which I really enjoy, I go there for other reasons than politics! I'm not in the slightest concerned about who is President but I have always respected whoever it might be, & that wouldn't be any different now! |  | | |
| Visiting America on 17:11 - Mar 21 with 2126 views | stonojnr |
| Visiting America on 23:05 - Mar 20 by redrickstuhaart |
I would actually be worried about going there now. Their entry visa thing now asks you to lists online handles, and they seem to be locking people up for weeks without trial in shackles for not being American.
Meanwhile, Musk is suggesting that its Europe that has an issue with free speech. The story you quote is plainly unconstitutional. But none of the mechanisms of state appear to be dealing with it. [Post edited 20 Mar 23:07]
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All that stuff was in place during Bidens time, its not new, and yep opinions have consequences, a life lesson worth learning. | | | |
| Visiting America on 17:27 - Mar 21 with 2087 views | lowhouseblue |
| Visiting America on 16:34 - Mar 21 by ArnoldMoorhen |
You are being a touch disingenuous.
Any of us who are middle aged have grown up with the USA as the "leader of the Free World", staunchly proud of it's Constitutional Right to Free Speech, and emphasis on Democracy.
In addition, it's Iconography supporting this includes the Statue of Liberty, which implores the world to "give me your poor", and the last line of the song they love singing at every opportunity is "In the land of the free, and the hole of the brave."
We have consumed as much US media output as UK for decades, and our stories as nations have intertwined for the whole of our lives.
So when that all gets thrown in the air by a President, it is more worthy of note to a British audience than Aung in Myanmar/Burma going from being a darling of freedom to repressive as soon as she gained power, for example. |
Absolutely we should criticise trump for disregarding free speech. Even more so since as you say it goes against the US’s mythology and claims to champion such things. But my point about hypocrisy still stands - some people will criticise trump but only really differ in terms of free speech as to who they would choose to silence. |  |
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| Visiting America on 18:58 - Mar 21 with 2029 views | Sarge |
| Visiting America on 23:05 - Mar 20 by redrickstuhaart |
I would actually be worried about going there now. Their entry visa thing now asks you to lists online handles, and they seem to be locking people up for weeks without trial in shackles for not being American.
Meanwhile, Musk is suggesting that its Europe that has an issue with free speech. The story you quote is plainly unconstitutional. But none of the mechanisms of state appear to be dealing with it. [Post edited 20 Mar 23:07]
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It asked that when I got my ESTA for a trip to NY back in August but it’s an optional field. I have no idea why anyone would fill it out.
Going back there in 2 weeks to Tennessee this time. Not remotely looking forward to it anymore but can’t get a refund so just going to go and get it over with. | | | |
| Visiting America on 19:57 - Mar 21 with 1964 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Visiting America on 17:11 - Mar 21 by stonojnr |
All that stuff was in place during Bidens time, its not new, and yep opinions have consequences, a life lesson worth learning. |
You appear to miss the point. | | | |
| Visiting America on 21:03 - Mar 21 with 1920 views | PhilTWTD |
| Visiting America on 03:49 - Mar 21 by stiff_talking |
I live in California and don’t see anything changed here. Nothing to be concerned about for now traveling to any USA city. The best cities to visit are Palm Springs/Joshua Tree, New Orleans, Monterey/Carmel and Washington DC in my opinion. Manhattan has a vibe that everyone should catch once in their life but a visit is not essential.
New travel rules are being administered by many countries including UK and world travel will change over next 6 months. To enter UK now you need prior permission and you have to pay an entry tax. |
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/21/uk-subs-band-detained-deported |  | | |
| Visiting America on 21:54 - Mar 21 with 1854 views | ronnyd |
| Visiting America on 12:02 - Mar 21 by Benters |
I have a 2.2 air rifle and my pickup is 17 years old 😂 |
But can you play the banjo? | | | |
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| Visiting America on 07:51 - Mar 22 with 1738 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Visiting America on 17:27 - Mar 21 by lowhouseblue |
Absolutely we should criticise trump for disregarding free speech. Even more so since as you say it goes against the US’s mythology and claims to champion such things. But my point about hypocrisy still stands - some people will criticise trump but only really differ in terms of free speech as to who they would choose to silence. |
Some more on free speech...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/21/oil-protest-activism-greenpeace-
“If companies can sue critics, advocates and protesters into oblivion for their speech and the unlawful acts of third parties, then no one will feel safe protesting corporate malfeasance,” Hauss said.
Amnesty International said the “devastating verdict sets an array of deeply damaging precedents on the rights to freedom of speech, association and peaceful protest and puts the very future of Greenpeace at risk”. |  |
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| Visiting America on 08:44 - Mar 22 with 1676 views | textbackup |
| Visiting America on 17:06 - Mar 21 by BlueForYou |
When I visit the US, which I really enjoy, I go there for other reasons than politics! I'm not in the slightest concerned about who is President but I have always respected whoever it might be, & that wouldn't be any different now! |
You mean like most normal people would do?
Imagine the wife saying she’d love to go to place X and you’re reply is ‘honey I just can’t the politics in the country are too much for me to comprehend’
Or being on your death bed ‘a place I wanted to visit was the US, but I didn’t, you know… Trump’
😂 ridiculous [Post edited 22 Mar 8:53]
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| Visiting America on 09:33 - Mar 22 with 1612 views | Benters |
| Visiting America on 21:54 - Mar 21 by ronnyd |
But can you play the banjo? |
I broke the string this morning 😳 |  |
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| Visiting America on 09:35 - Mar 22 with 1609 views | Benters |
| Visiting America on 08:44 - Mar 22 by textbackup |
You mean like most normal people would do?
Imagine the wife saying she’d love to go to place X and you’re reply is ‘honey I just can’t the politics in the country are too much for me to comprehend’
Or being on your death bed ‘a place I wanted to visit was the US, but I didn’t, you know… Trump’
😂 ridiculous [Post edited 22 Mar 8:53]
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I think some people try to hard to hate a place you know? | |
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| Visiting America on 09:48 - Mar 22 with 1593 views | lowhouseblue |
| Visiting America on 07:51 - Mar 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Some more on free speech...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/21/oil-protest-activism-greenpeace-
“If companies can sue critics, advocates and protesters into oblivion for their speech and the unlawful acts of third parties, then no one will feel safe protesting corporate malfeasance,” Hauss said.
Amnesty International said the “devastating verdict sets an array of deeply damaging precedents on the rights to freedom of speech, association and peaceful protest and puts the very future of Greenpeace at risk”. |
hopefully it goes to appeal - it reads as if they have strong grounds for appeal. as reported it certainly sounds chilling to free speech and reprehensible - but the article and the previous one which is linked isn't really explicit about what the company's claim involved or what the facts of the case were. having a jury drawn from the oil industry seems to guarantee the outcome however. [Post edited 22 Mar 9:49]
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| Visiting America on 10:34 - Mar 22 with 1512 views | leitrimblue |
| Visiting America on 12:02 - Mar 21 by Benters |
I have a 2.2 air rifle and my pickup is 17 years old 😂 |
Yer need to fit a gun rack to the back of the pick up to really finish off the look. Perhaps weld up the doors so yer have to chamber through the window like a Duke boy |  | | |
| Visiting America on 10:37 - Mar 22 with 1505 views | Churchman |
| Visiting America on 10:34 - Mar 22 by leitrimblue |
Yer need to fit a gun rack to the back of the pick up to really finish off the look. Perhaps weld up the doors so yer have to chamber through the window like a Duke boy |
Maybe add a CB radio like they had in Convoy. Obviously you’ll need a handle like Rubber Duck or Pigpen. One for you to ponder |  | | |
| Visiting America on 10:40 - Mar 22 with 1494 views | Benters |
| Visiting America on 10:34 - Mar 22 by leitrimblue |
Yer need to fit a gun rack to the back of the pick up to really finish off the look. Perhaps weld up the doors so yer have to chamber through the window like a Duke boy |
It always amazes me when you watch the news and those foreign chaps all have Japanese Pickup trucks,then they mount a big old gun in the back!
I mean how you supposed to get your gardening gear in with that in the way !? | |
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| Visiting America on 10:42 - Mar 22 with 1494 views | leitrimblue |
| Visiting America on 10:37 - Mar 22 by Churchman |
Maybe add a CB radio like they had in Convoy. Obviously you’ll need a handle like Rubber Duck or Pigpen. One for you to ponder |
As there's no football today, would be nice if Benters/Rubber Duck could lead a Convoy of gapped tooth pick up drivers and truckers through the back roads of North Essex. Preferably with a few smokies on his tail in order to replicate the greatest movie ever made.
Convoooooooy | | | |
| Visiting America on 10:45 - Mar 22 with 1475 views | Benters |
| Visiting America on 10:37 - Mar 22 by Churchman |
Maybe add a CB radio like they had in Convoy. Obviously you’ll need a handle like Rubber Duck or Pigpen. One for you to ponder |
Butt king.
Sorted ! | |
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| Visiting America on 10:47 - Mar 22 with 1475 views | leitrimblue |
| Visiting America on 10:40 - Mar 22 by Benters |
It always amazes me when you watch the news and those foreign chaps all have Japanese Pickup trucks,then they mount a big old gun in the back!
I mean how you supposed to get your gardening gear in with that in the way !? |
They clearly haven't thought it through. In the rush to pack the big gun theve barely got room for a few shovels etc. Gonna end up making 2 trips.. | | | |
| Visiting America on 10:50 - Mar 22 with 1454 views | Churchman |
| Visiting America on 10:42 - Mar 22 by leitrimblue |
As there's no football today, would be nice if Benters/Rubber Duck could lead a Convoy of gapped tooth pick up drivers and truckers through the back roads of North Essex. Preferably with a few smokies on his tail in order to replicate the greatest movie ever made.
Convoooooooy |
Smokies headed up by Dirty Lyle of course!
Loved every minute of it; brilliant film! As for the CW McCall song I’ll be humming it in my head all day now:
By the time we got into Tulsa Town
We had eighty-five trucks in all
But they's a road block up on the clover leaf
And them bears was wall to wall
Yeah, them smokies was thick as bugs on a bumper
They even had a bear in the air
I says, callin' all trucks
This here's the Duck
We about to go a huntin' bear
Poetry at its finest! [Post edited 22 Mar 10:51]
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| Visiting America on 10:53 - Mar 22 with 1437 views | WeWereZombies |
| Visiting America on 10:37 - Mar 22 by Churchman |
Maybe add a CB radio like they had in Convoy. Obviously you’ll need a handle like Rubber Duck or Pigpen. One for you to ponder |
Now you are getting silly, where on Earth would you find a group of people using 'handles' instead of their real names ? |  |
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| Visiting America on 10:55 - Mar 22 with 1432 views | leitrimblue |
| Visiting America on 10:50 - Mar 22 by Churchman |
Smokies headed up by Dirty Lyle of course!
Loved every minute of it; brilliant film! As for the CW McCall song I’ll be humming it in my head all day now:
By the time we got into Tulsa Town
We had eighty-five trucks in all
But they's a road block up on the clover leaf
And them bears was wall to wall
Yeah, them smokies was thick as bugs on a bumper
They even had a bear in the air
I says, callin' all trucks
This here's the Duck
We about to go a huntin' bear
Poetry at its finest! [Post edited 22 Mar 10:51]
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Is an absolute classic. Yer that theme song is going nowhere today. Just around and around in our heads. I'm off to a mates house at the top of a semi mountain in a short while. Gonna play Convoy all the way up there. Seems fitting.
That's the kinda poetry the likes of that gobsh1te Shakespeare could only dream of. | | | |
| Visiting America on 10:58 - Mar 22 with 1413 views | leitrimblue |
| Visiting America on 10:53 - Mar 22 by WeWereZombies |
Now you are getting silly, where on Earth would you find a group of people using 'handles' instead of their real names ? |
A handles nothing without a big rig though Zombers 10-4 | | | |
| Visiting America on 11:09 - Mar 22 with 1382 views | NeedhamChris |
| Visiting America on 10:59 - Mar 21 by lowhouseblue |
It’s the hypocrisy of people who (rightly) criticise trump for pushing back on free speech when we know full well given the chance they’d support doing the exact same thing only to different people.
Which of your three replies will this get? |
Sadly, for many the footballification of political discussion has taken a complete hold, and it's about supporting the team not the principle. Happens on all sides, but the inability to hold a logically consistent position on these issues really weakens debate.
Corbyn egged Vs Farage's milkshake is another example. So many people celebrated one, called for serious action on the other. The only consistent position is to either think both are okay or both are wrong - but as soon as you take a nuanced view in the middle both sides criticise you for defending the other. | |
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| Visiting America on 11:22 - Mar 22 with 1333 views | WeWereZombies |
| Visiting America on 10:58 - Mar 22 by leitrimblue |
A handles nothing without a big rig though Zombers 10-4 |
My Suzuki S-Class has three four wheel drive settings, does that count ? | |
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