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Visiting America 23:03 - Mar 20 with 21348 viewsChurchman

Well, it looks like most of you lot won’t be visiting America any time soon.

https://news.sky.com/story/scientist-denied-entry-to-us-after-messages-critical-

I should be ok though having never uttered a word against the odious, deranged, orange shtgibbon. Hail Trump!!

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Visiting America on 11:31 - Mar 22 with 2634 viewsGeoffSentence

Visiting America on 02:10 - Mar 21 by Bent_double

With the WC there next year, i can see quite a lot of European fans being refused entry if they carry on with those random checks.


Nah, it will be like the 1936 Olympics where the signs and symbols of repression were toned down for the duration.

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Visiting America on 11:39 - Mar 22 with 2627 viewsGeoffSentence

Visiting America on 21:03 - Mar 21 by PhilTWTD

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/21/uk-subs-band-detained-deported


Old scores being settled?


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Visiting America on 14:31 - Mar 22 with 2542 viewsWeWereZombies

Visiting America on 16:09 - Mar 21 by soupytwist

Looks like ageing punk rockers are now on the persona non grata list:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/21/uk-subs-band-detained-deported


And yet the Cockney Rejects have never been thrown out of London...

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Visiting America on 14:38 - Mar 22 with 2541 viewsPhilTWTD

Visiting America on 11:39 - Mar 22 by GeoffSentence

Old scores being settled?



Mick Jones unlikely to be spending too much time in the States either.

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Visiting America on 14:44 - Mar 22 with 2510 viewsWeWereZombies

Visiting America on 14:38 - Mar 22 by PhilTWTD

Mick Jones unlikely to be spending too much time in the States either.



Now I'm not saying that going to school in Woodbridge brought him a little too close to Bentwaters, but...

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Visiting America on 17:40 - Mar 22 with 2437 viewsPhilTWTD

Visiting America on 14:44 - Mar 22 by WeWereZombies

Now I'm not saying that going to school in Woodbridge brought him a little too close to Bentwaters, but...

[Post edited 27 Mar 19:01]


Billy Bragg might not be let in either.

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Visiting America on 18:40 - Mar 22 with 2362 viewsChurchman

Visiting America on 10:53 - Mar 22 by WeWereZombies

Now you are getting silly, where on Earth would you find a group of people using 'handles' instead of their real names ?


Ah, but before mobiles became usable in the mountains, my ski mate and I used to carry 90s/2000s CB radios, because we’d always venture off on our own, in my case not anywhere marked. Bit pointless given if there was a hill in the way the things wouldn’t work, but it was just a laugh. A bit of fun.

He was always called Rebel (his hero is General Robert E Lee, not the Duke boys car!) and a was always Maverick. Daft? Ohhh yes, but it was a bit of fun and a tiny (very tiny) bit of back up if there was a problem and a way of meeting up for a hot chocolate (beer, wine, bread bowl chilli etc).

I think we both just loved Convoy.

Verse 3

Well, we rolled up Innerstate fourty-four
Like a rocket sled on rails
We tore up all of our swindle sheets
And left 'em settin' on the scales
By the time we hit that Chi-Town
Them bears was a gettin' smart
They'd brought up some reinforcements
From the Illinois National Guard
There's armored cars and tanks and jeeps
And rigs of every size
Yeah, them chicken coops was full of bears
And choppers filled the skies
Well, we shot the line
We went for broke
With a thousand screamin' trucks
And eleven long haired Friends of Jesus
In a Chartreuse microbus

Shakespeare, Byron, Thomas, Keats (Ode to a Grecian Urn?? Do one), Wordsworth - suck it up.
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Visiting America on 18:49 - Mar 22 with 2343 viewsWeWereZombies

Visiting America on 18:40 - Mar 22 by Churchman

Ah, but before mobiles became usable in the mountains, my ski mate and I used to carry 90s/2000s CB radios, because we’d always venture off on our own, in my case not anywhere marked. Bit pointless given if there was a hill in the way the things wouldn’t work, but it was just a laugh. A bit of fun.

He was always called Rebel (his hero is General Robert E Lee, not the Duke boys car!) and a was always Maverick. Daft? Ohhh yes, but it was a bit of fun and a tiny (very tiny) bit of back up if there was a problem and a way of meeting up for a hot chocolate (beer, wine, bread bowl chilli etc).

I think we both just loved Convoy.

Verse 3

Well, we rolled up Innerstate fourty-four
Like a rocket sled on rails
We tore up all of our swindle sheets
And left 'em settin' on the scales
By the time we hit that Chi-Town
Them bears was a gettin' smart
They'd brought up some reinforcements
From the Illinois National Guard
There's armored cars and tanks and jeeps
And rigs of every size
Yeah, them chicken coops was full of bears
And choppers filled the skies
Well, we shot the line
We went for broke
With a thousand screamin' trucks
And eleven long haired Friends of Jesus
In a Chartreuse microbus

Shakespeare, Byron, Thomas, Keats (Ode to a Grecian Urn?? Do one), Wordsworth - suck it up.


Well just as long as you used handles and didn't go ruining the avatars...

Back with my wife in Tennessee
When one day she called to me
"Virgil, quick, come see,
There goes Robert E. Lee!"
Now, I don't mind chopping wood
And I don't care if the money's no good
You take what you need
And you leave the rest
But they should never
Have taken the very best
The night they drove old Dixie down
And the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie down
And all the people were singing
They went, "Na, na, la, na, na, la"

Where is Facters these days ?
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Visiting America on 18:51 - Mar 22 with 2337 viewsChurchman

Visiting America on 18:49 - Mar 22 by WeWereZombies

Well just as long as you used handles and didn't go ruining the avatars...

Back with my wife in Tennessee
When one day she called to me
"Virgil, quick, come see,
There goes Robert E. Lee!"
Now, I don't mind chopping wood
And I don't care if the money's no good
You take what you need
And you leave the rest
But they should never
Have taken the very best
The night they drove old Dixie down
And the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie down
And all the people were singing
They went, "Na, na, la, na, na, la"

Where is Facters these days ?
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Haha, would never have dreamt of it!
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Visiting America on 05:28 - Mar 23 with 2226 viewsBenters

Visiting America on 11:22 - Mar 22 by WeWereZombies

My Suzuki S-Class has three four wheel drive settings, does that count ?


Definitely.

My first 4x4 was a Toyota Hilux around 1988 it had normal drive then two settings for 4x4,but to get it in 4 wheel drive you had to lock the front hubs first.

I was working on site in Clacton-On-Sea when I first got it,and there was a cockney scaffolder on the same site he always said I was a ‘do as you likey’ with my pickup.

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Visiting America on 05:35 - Mar 23 with 2219 viewsBenters

Visiting America on 18:49 - Mar 22 by WeWereZombies

Well just as long as you used handles and didn't go ruining the avatars...

Back with my wife in Tennessee
When one day she called to me
"Virgil, quick, come see,
There goes Robert E. Lee!"
Now, I don't mind chopping wood
And I don't care if the money's no good
You take what you need
And you leave the rest
But they should never
Have taken the very best
The night they drove old Dixie down
And the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie down
And all the people were singing
They went, "Na, na, la, na, na, la"

Where is Facters these days ?
[Post edited 22 Mar 18:53]


Brilliant song one of my favs.

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Visiting America on 12:04 - Mar 27 with 1877 viewsHerbivore

More evidence of authoritarianism in the US: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rumeysa-ozturk-tuf

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Visiting America on 12:56 - Mar 27 with 1796 viewslowhouseblue

Visiting America on 12:04 - Mar 27 by Herbivore

More evidence of authoritarianism in the US: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rumeysa-ozturk-tuf


if the views that she has expressed are the only reason the immigration officials acted then this is truly appalling.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Visiting America on 17:17 - Mar 27 with 1642 viewsgiant_stow

70% drop in flght bookings from Canada to the US: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/27/canada-us-flights-down-trump

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Visiting America on 17:56 - Mar 27 with 1610 viewsbenrhyddingblue

Visiting America on 03:49 - Mar 21 by stiff_talking

I live in California and don’t see anything changed here. Nothing to be concerned about for now traveling to any USA city. The best cities to visit are Palm Springs/Joshua Tree, New Orleans, Monterey/Carmel and Washington DC in my opinion. Manhattan has a vibe that everyone should catch once in their life but a visit is not essential.

New travel rules are being administered by many countries including UK and world travel will change over next 6 months. To enter UK now you need prior permission and you have to pay an entry tax.


Really? A colleague travelled to LA this week for a conference but didn’t get beyond customs. Was detained for over 24hrs during which he wasn’t allowed to contact anyone and so no one heard from him, including his wife and kids, until he sent a message over a day later saying he’d been taken by police on to a UK flight and deported. No explanation why, despite when he set off having a valid ESTA. He now has a 10-year ban from travelling to the US.

Previous to this year he’d regularly travelled to the US three or four times a year with no issues. So you may think nothing has changed, but something clearly has.
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Visiting America on 18:07 - Mar 27 with 1583 viewsGeoffSentence

Visiting America on 03:49 - Mar 21 by stiff_talking

I live in California and don’t see anything changed here. Nothing to be concerned about for now traveling to any USA city. The best cities to visit are Palm Springs/Joshua Tree, New Orleans, Monterey/Carmel and Washington DC in my opinion. Manhattan has a vibe that everyone should catch once in their life but a visit is not essential.

New travel rules are being administered by many countries including UK and world travel will change over next 6 months. To enter UK now you need prior permission and you have to pay an entry tax.


Entry Tax? Ni such thing. I suspect that you have been brainwashed by american media into confusing ETA (electronic travel authorisation) with 'entry tax'. It's equivalent to, but cheaper than, ESTA that foreign travellers have been required to get for entry into the states for decades,.

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Visiting America on 18:15 - Mar 27 with 1566 viewsJoey_Joe_Joe_Junior

Visiting America on 17:56 - Mar 27 by benrhyddingblue

Really? A colleague travelled to LA this week for a conference but didn’t get beyond customs. Was detained for over 24hrs during which he wasn’t allowed to contact anyone and so no one heard from him, including his wife and kids, until he sent a message over a day later saying he’d been taken by police on to a UK flight and deported. No explanation why, despite when he set off having a valid ESTA. He now has a 10-year ban from travelling to the US.

Previous to this year he’d regularly travelled to the US three or four times a year with no issues. So you may think nothing has changed, but something clearly has.


Find it very hard to believe he was giving "no explanation", especially as a ten year ban would have to be documented.

In terms of people already here, interestingly, this February Trump deported few people than Biden did in Feb 2024.

Biden carried out a lot of deportations throughout his presidency actually, more than Trump's first term, this was likely due to border crossing being very high, which are now way down.
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Visiting America on 18:45 - Mar 27 with 1508 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Visiting America on 17:27 - Mar 21 by lowhouseblue

Absolutely we should criticise trump for disregarding free speech. Even more so since as you say it goes against the US’s mythology and claims to champion such things. But my point about hypocrisy still stands - some people will criticise trump but only really differ in terms of free speech as to who they would choose to silence.


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Visiting America on 18:49 - Mar 27 with 1492 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Visiting America on 17:40 - Mar 22 by PhilTWTD

Billy Bragg might not be let in either.



They didn't spot the irony with Springsteen did they?

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Visiting America on 18:57 - Mar 27 with 1462 viewslowhouseblue

Visiting America on 18:45 - Mar 27 by Nthsuffolkblue

Congratulations on finding the shift key ... and not using it for Trump!


i posted that on my phone - which i do rarely - and i couldn't be bothered to fight with it at the start of each sentence. apologies.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Visiting America on 09:30 - Mar 28 with 1268 viewsHerbivore

This is fairly chilling as well: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjy1jmvvwzo

Museums now only allowed to perpetuate Trump's versions of US history, no other viewpoints will be tolerated.

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Visiting America on 13:10 - Mar 28 with 1144 viewslowhouseblue

Visiting America on 09:30 - Mar 28 by Herbivore

This is fairly chilling as well: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjy1jmvvwzo

Museums now only allowed to perpetuate Trump's versions of US history, no other viewpoints will be tolerated.


presidents getting directly involved in things like museums seems very bad. but the context here is that the us is currently a hugely divided place. institutions like museums, the arts, universities are pretty much exclusively in the hands of people from one side of that divide. you have a bubble which has become separated off from much of the public. that division - with a single view point represented within those institutions and very little diversity of opinion there - makes those institutions political in the eyes of many americans. part of the lesson is that it is very bad for politicians to meddle in cultural institutions - another part is that it is also bad for those institutions to become so partisan and ideologically narrow that they lose the confidence of a large part of the public.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Visiting America on 17:16 - Mar 28 with 1016 viewsDJR

Visiting America on 13:10 - Mar 28 by lowhouseblue

presidents getting directly involved in things like museums seems very bad. but the context here is that the us is currently a hugely divided place. institutions like museums, the arts, universities are pretty much exclusively in the hands of people from one side of that divide. you have a bubble which has become separated off from much of the public. that division - with a single view point represented within those institutions and very little diversity of opinion there - makes those institutions political in the eyes of many americans. part of the lesson is that it is very bad for politicians to meddle in cultural institutions - another part is that it is also bad for those institutions to become so partisan and ideologically narrow that they lose the confidence of a large part of the public.


That's a very long but.

For my own part, the idea of governments trying to control what cultural institutions do seems completely at variance with cultural freedom. Indeed, it has shades of what the Nazis did to the Bauhaus movement.

And the problem is, where does it stop?
[Post edited 28 Mar 17:32]
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Visiting America on 17:42 - Mar 28 with 959 viewsHerbivore

Visiting America on 13:10 - Mar 28 by lowhouseblue

presidents getting directly involved in things like museums seems very bad. but the context here is that the us is currently a hugely divided place. institutions like museums, the arts, universities are pretty much exclusively in the hands of people from one side of that divide. you have a bubble which has become separated off from much of the public. that division - with a single view point represented within those institutions and very little diversity of opinion there - makes those institutions political in the eyes of many americans. part of the lesson is that it is very bad for politicians to meddle in cultural institutions - another part is that it is also bad for those institutions to become so partisan and ideologically narrow that they lose the confidence of a large part of the public.


Well, that's one take. Your ability to both sides everything is quite something.

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Visiting America on 17:49 - Mar 28 with 929 viewslowhouseblue

Visiting America on 17:16 - Mar 28 by DJR

That's a very long but.

For my own part, the idea of governments trying to control what cultural institutions do seems completely at variance with cultural freedom. Indeed, it has shades of what the Nazis did to the Bauhaus movement.

And the problem is, where does it stop?
[Post edited 28 Mar 17:32]


i agree - as i said the president getting involved in things like museums is bad. but (apologies) can you really have cultural freedom if publicly funded institutions such as these are controlled by one side of a very divided society; if within those institutions there is little in the way of diversity of view; and a large swathe of the public feel ideologically excluded from and alienated from those institutions? shouldn't cultural institutions carry wider public support than from just one side of a political divide?

also - surely it must be possible to express disagreement without mentioning the nazis?

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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