| Manchester City large point deduction 23:46 - Mar 29 with 5188 views | MVBlue |
130 charges, 40-60 point deduction. Could it happen? What then for Leicester or Ipswich?
There is still hope... |  |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 23:55 - Mar 29 with 4270 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
They won’t get a significant points deduction, it’s going to be a fine and we’ll still be relegated.
Nottingham Forest and Everton cheated and got meagre points deduction’s last season, Forest are now gunning for the Champions League and the FA Cup while we’re going down, with sub 30 points having played by the rules, so it’s acceptable and beneficial to cheat in the Premier League.
Leicester cheated both the Premier League and Championship and were given a slap on the wrist and a league title at our expense. [Post edited 29 Mar 23:56]
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 00:01 - Mar 30 with 4240 views | Deano69 |
Suspect if they are out of Champions league contention, they’d take a points deduction this season to get rid of the problem. Doubt it going to be anything like double figure points |  |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 02:27 - Mar 30 with 4102 views | JakeITFC |
If they are found guilty of the charges they face, 100 points or immediate relegation is a light punishment. I think the only real preventative measure is the idea that they counter-sue the premier league and drag it through the courts (which could threaten the integrity of the league itself due to the depth of City’s pockets) but that’s not the same as a convoluted appeal process that would stop the punishment coming.
I think people are naive to the scale and magnitude of what City are accused of doing - the Everton and Forest breaches are ultimately irrelevant in comparison. |  | | |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 06:46 - Mar 30 with 3920 views | noggin |
Just like the game itself, cheating has become an accepted part of modern football. |  |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 08:24 - Mar 30 with 3642 views | ITFC_Forever |
The precedent that has been set should see them deducted well over 100 points.
Everton and Forest had points deducted for one offence, City have been charged with 115. So if they are found guilty, the precedent would suggest a deduction well into three figures.
But we all know that while they might get a deduction, it’ll probably only be enough to push them to the bottom half of the table, but not the bottom three.
That said, we, along with Forest, Everton and Leicester will be monitoring events with interest. |  |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 08:36 - Mar 30 with 3601 views | MVBlue |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 08:24 - Mar 30 by ITFC_Forever |
The precedent that has been set should see them deducted well over 100 points.
Everton and Forest had points deducted for one offence, City have been charged with 115. So if they are found guilty, the precedent would suggest a deduction well into three figures.
But we all know that while they might get a deduction, it’ll probably only be enough to push them to the bottom half of the table, but not the bottom three.
That said, we, along with Forest, Everton and Leicester will be monitoring events with interest. |
City are looking at 130 charges after failing to cooperate
https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11096/12804623/man-city-premier-leag | |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 08:56 - Mar 30 with 3530 views | victorysquad |
There is no way the league will relegate one of their prized assets. Why could they give the EFL a huge boost of revenue by letting them have Man City for one season? Would make zero sense. |  |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 09:33 - Mar 30 with 3372 views | bsw72 |
Nope. Large fine and 2 year transfer embargo. Why do you think they spent big in January? |  | | |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 09:45 - Mar 30 with 3294 views | bsw72 |
The charges against Manchester City are different compared to those faced by Everton and Nottingham Forest. City are accused of 115 breaches of Premier League financial rules, stretching from 2009 to 2018 — including allegedly hiding sponsorship income, failing to comply with UEFA rules, and not cooperating with investigations.
In contrast, Everton and Nottingham Forest were charged with breaching Profit and Sustainability Rules, which limit clubs to losses of £105 million over three years. These are more straightforward breaches of spending limits.
It’s going to be hugely challenging for the PL to win a clear and final legal decision, so I reckon it’ll all get pleaded out with City receiving financial and transfer penalties. | | | |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 09:58 - Mar 30 with 3211 views | Guthrum |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 08:56 - Mar 30 by victorysquad |
There is no way the league will relegate one of their prized assets. Why could they give the EFL a huge boost of revenue by letting them have Man City for one season? Would make zero sense. |
Are ManC such a valuable asset?
If they are allowed to win the division pretty much every season by using what are found to be irregular financial practices, then that undermines the whole basis of the competition. What reason would there be for other clubs to pay any attention to the Prem's rules? The likes of Everton and Forest could sue over unfair and discriminatory practices. It would encourage other clubs to consider breaking away from the Prem if they do not want or are not in a position to cheat sufficiently to challenge for the title.
Also not sure how much of a revenue boost a disgraced ManC would bring to the Football League. Would the overseas audiences (many driven by gambling) be so interested if they are not in the top division? I doubt Sky et al would pay any less for covering a more competitive division which still included teams so well supported in the UK and internationally as ManU, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal, so I doubt the Prem would actually lose out. |  |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 10:27 - Mar 30 with 3080 views | J2BLUE |
I think they will get a substantial points deduction which will be carefully chosen to minimise the impact so City accept it and move on.
Two likely scenarios IMO:
1) City win FA Cup and/or qualify for CL then get a hefty points deduction very late in the season which leaves them 5-10 points clear of relegation. They then enter Europa League for a season if they win the cup.
2) They don't qualify for CL or win FA Cup. They then get a substantial points deduction which leaves them 5-10 points clear of relegation and behind closed doors they are perfectly happy with not entering one of the 'B' European competitions. |  |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 10:27 - Mar 30 with 3086 views | victorysquad |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 09:58 - Mar 30 by Guthrum |
Are ManC such a valuable asset?
If they are allowed to win the division pretty much every season by using what are found to be irregular financial practices, then that undermines the whole basis of the competition. What reason would there be for other clubs to pay any attention to the Prem's rules? The likes of Everton and Forest could sue over unfair and discriminatory practices. It would encourage other clubs to consider breaking away from the Prem if they do not want or are not in a position to cheat sufficiently to challenge for the title.
Also not sure how much of a revenue boost a disgraced ManC would bring to the Football League. Would the overseas audiences (many driven by gambling) be so interested if they are not in the top division? I doubt Sky et al would pay any less for covering a more competitive division which still included teams so well supported in the UK and internationally as ManU, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal, so I doubt the Prem would actually lose out. |
If they cared about fairness of competition there would be more uproar that sides getting promoted are going straight back down, all three, again. They do not care about that and every club owners ethics go out the window when it comes to money. | |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 10:57 - Mar 30 with 2994 views | Churchman |
They’ll get a £500k fine and told not to be so naughty in future (later returned as a grant towards their stadium upgrade or as a bonus for having an interesting badge).
Only the unimportant, dross clubs get punished. It’s been that way since West Ham saved themselves with illegal signings (Tevez?) and were let off. Yet other clubs like little, piddly Swindon some years before were relegated for exactly the same offence.
There is no way Man City will be challenged. Maybe a three point deduction if they are four points ahead of the club beneath them. Something to ‘make a point’ but doesn’t incur the wrath of Man City’s head chopping owners and the other big boys with that Superleague looming. [Post edited 30 Mar 11:00]
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 11:02 - Mar 30 with 2971 views | cooperd5 |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 10:57 - Mar 30 by Churchman |
They’ll get a £500k fine and told not to be so naughty in future (later returned as a grant towards their stadium upgrade or as a bonus for having an interesting badge).
Only the unimportant, dross clubs get punished. It’s been that way since West Ham saved themselves with illegal signings (Tevez?) and were let off. Yet other clubs like little, piddly Swindon some years before were relegated for exactly the same offence.
There is no way Man City will be challenged. Maybe a three point deduction if they are four points ahead of the club beneath them. Something to ‘make a point’ but doesn’t incur the wrath of Man City’s head chopping owners and the other big boys with that Superleague looming. [Post edited 30 Mar 11:00]
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I dunno. If found guilty and only given a fine then what does it say to other 'nation state' backed clubs? It tells them they can spend billions and hide it without risk of any meaningful penalty.
And that's what they will do. |  | | |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 11:05 - Mar 30 with 2948 views | Churchman |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 11:02 - Mar 30 by cooperd5 |
I dunno. If found guilty and only given a fine then what does it say to other 'nation state' backed clubs? It tells them they can spend billions and hide it without risk of any meaningful penalty.
And that's what they will do. |
They’re probably already doing it. My nasty suspicious mind suspects there’s all sorts of stuff going on that the weak, self serving blazer brigade would rather stayed hidden - as long as the odd little envelope came their way. [Post edited 30 Mar 23:57]
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 13:06 - Mar 30 with 2648 views | SE1blue |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 11:02 - Mar 30 by cooperd5 |
I dunno. If found guilty and only given a fine then what does it say to other 'nation state' backed clubs? It tells them they can spend billions and hide it without risk of any meaningful penalty.
And that's what they will do. |
Almost feels like a perfect storm for them to get a hefty (drop in the ocean to them) fine and a big-but-non-relegation-threatening points deduction (20-30points).
With the season they’ve had it doesn’t impact them in any way. They stay up, they're not stripped of a title, they’re ‘punished’ and life goes on for everyone involved in the cash cow. |  |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 13:54 - Mar 30 with 2532 views | Illinoisblue |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 08:56 - Mar 30 by victorysquad |
There is no way the league will relegate one of their prized assets. Why could they give the EFL a huge boost of revenue by letting them have Man City for one season? Would make zero sense. |
Prized asset? lol |  |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 14:05 - Mar 30 with 2490 views | J2BLUE |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 13:54 - Mar 30 by Illinoisblue |
Prized asset? lol |
Quite easy to justify that statement to be fair. | |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 14:18 - Mar 30 with 2424 views | Pique |
Could it happen? Yes.
Will it happen? Not a chance. |  | | |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 14:43 - Mar 30 with 2286 views | bournemouthblue |
Will it happen this season, it feels too late now? |  |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 14:44 - Mar 30 with 2277 views | bournemouthblue |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 08:24 - Mar 30 by ITFC_Forever |
The precedent that has been set should see them deducted well over 100 points.
Everton and Forest had points deducted for one offence, City have been charged with 115. So if they are found guilty, the precedent would suggest a deduction well into three figures.
But we all know that while they might get a deduction, it’ll probably only be enough to push them to the bottom half of the table, but not the bottom three.
That said, we, along with Forest, Everton and Leicester will be monitoring events with interest. |
Personally I'd give them a rolling points deduction | |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 14:54 - Mar 30 with 2236 views | muccletonjoe |
No there isn't |  | | |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 14:57 - Mar 30 with 2198 views | Illinoisblue |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 14:05 - Mar 30 by J2BLUE |
Quite easy to justify that statement to be fair. |
I guess that’s one way of looking at a corrupt club who undermined any semblance of sporting integrity for the best part of a decade.
The idea that them actually facing consequences and getting relegated will somehow damage the PL brand is a fairytale that defies all logic. | |
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| Manchester City large point deduction on 15:15 - Mar 30 with 2131 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Manchester City large point deduction on 11:02 - Mar 30 by cooperd5 |
I dunno. If found guilty and only given a fine then what does it say to other 'nation state' backed clubs? It tells them they can spend billions and hide it without risk of any meaningful penalty.
And that's what they will do. |
This for me is the key point.
If ManC are not significantly punished (and that means it needs to be material penalties for them), then every other club is given carte blanche to behave similarly. | | | |
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