| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? 22:13 - Apr 8 with 1896 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Trump signs four executive orders to boost US coal mining and production
Donald Trump has signed four executive orders on coal.
The first directs all departments and agencies to “end all discriminatory policies against the coal industry” including by ending the leasing moratorium on coal on federal land and accelerate all permitted funding for coal projects.
The second imposes a moratorium on the “unscientific and unrealistic policies enacted by the Biden administration” to protect coal power plants currently operating.
The third promotes “grid security and reliability” by ensuring that grid policies are focused on “secure and effective energy production” as opposed to “woke” policies that “discriminate against secure sources of power like coal and other fossil fuels”.
And the fourth instructs the justice department to “vigorously pursue and investigate” the “unconstitutional” policies of “radically leftist states” that “discriminate against coal”. |  |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:24 - Apr 8 with 1813 views | J2BLUE |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:34 - Apr 8 with 1777 views | TractorWood |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:24 - Apr 8 by J2BLUE |
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BP is cheap atm. Might as well make money from the Kafkaesque world. |  |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:37 - Apr 8 with 1759 views | J2BLUE |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:34 - Apr 8 by TractorWood |
BP is cheap atm. Might as well make money from the Kafkaesque world. |
haha I looked at BP earlier but can't bring myself to do it, especially after this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3374ekd11po | |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:39 - Apr 8 with 1758 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:34 - Apr 8 by TractorWood |
BP is cheap atm. Might as well make money from the Kafkaesque world. |
Might as well really, I mean what can you do! | |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:56 - Apr 8 with 1726 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Can I let you into a secret?
The population of The US is around 348m and around 60% couldn't give a sh*t about the environment. The populations of India and China total almost 3bn and almost none give a sh*t about the environment. No fan of Trump, or his policies, but by and large what the US does is a drop in the ocean compared to China and India.
Lots look to the US to 'lead the way' but much of the world pays no attention to them now. [Post edited 8 Apr 23:00]
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:59 - Apr 8 with 1706 views | Oldsmoker |
Anyone who's thinking of starting a new coal mine should realise that if there's a new administration in 2028 then it's game over.
You are not going to get a return on capital in 4 years.
Coal is a dirty inefficient way of producing electricity.
The last 6 months have shown that Americans are really dumb so who knows. |  |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 23:03 - Apr 8 with 1665 views | syntaxerror |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:56 - Apr 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Can I let you into a secret?
The population of The US is around 348m and around 60% couldn't give a sh*t about the environment. The populations of India and China total almost 3bn and almost none give a sh*t about the environment. No fan of Trump, or his policies, but by and large what the US does is a drop in the ocean compared to China and India.
Lots look to the US to 'lead the way' but much of the world pays no attention to them now. [Post edited 8 Apr 23:00]
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The difference is, a lot of the US population is comfortably secure and choose to ignore climate change.
While a lot of India and some of rural China is mired in food and energy poverty and choose immediate survival over climate change. |  | | |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 23:09 - Apr 8 with 1642 views | PhilTWTD |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:56 - Apr 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Can I let you into a secret?
The population of The US is around 348m and around 60% couldn't give a sh*t about the environment. The populations of India and China total almost 3bn and almost none give a sh*t about the environment. No fan of Trump, or his policies, but by and large what the US does is a drop in the ocean compared to China and India.
Lots look to the US to 'lead the way' but much of the world pays no attention to them now. [Post edited 8 Apr 23:00]
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Not quite true on China, is moving in the right direction while at the same time still lagging behind.
https://time.com/7265783/how-china-is-boosting-renewable-energy-goals/ |  | | |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 23:16 - Apr 8 with 1604 views | Illinoisblue |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:56 - Apr 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Can I let you into a secret?
The population of The US is around 348m and around 60% couldn't give a sh*t about the environment. The populations of India and China total almost 3bn and almost none give a sh*t about the environment. No fan of Trump, or his policies, but by and large what the US does is a drop in the ocean compared to China and India.
Lots look to the US to 'lead the way' but much of the world pays no attention to them now. [Post edited 8 Apr 23:00]
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Only 60%? |  |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 23:56 - Apr 8 with 1525 views | Guthrum |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:59 - Apr 8 by Oldsmoker |
Anyone who's thinking of starting a new coal mine should realise that if there's a new administration in 2028 then it's game over.
You are not going to get a return on capital in 4 years.
Coal is a dirty inefficient way of producing electricity.
The last 6 months have shown that Americans are really dumb so who knows. |
You've got to find somebody to buy your coal as well. No point in paying to dig it out of the ground otherwise. Coal technology has been getting decommissioned for the last 40 years at an ever more rapid rate. |  |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 06:48 - Apr 9 with 1310 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
But they are still bringing more coal power stations online, over 1,000 and counting. I assume what’s driving this Trumpist policy is that the Chinese state also heavily subsidise the coal-fired power. Chinese companies therefore buying below cost energy (effectively a way of offering govt subsidies to lower the cost of production and undercut other economies).
Certainly not a defence of it, coal has no place in this age, just thought I’d add some context. |  | | |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 07:30 - Apr 9 with 1230 views | noggin |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:56 - Apr 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Can I let you into a secret?
The population of The US is around 348m and around 60% couldn't give a sh*t about the environment. The populations of India and China total almost 3bn and almost none give a sh*t about the environment. No fan of Trump, or his policies, but by and large what the US does is a drop in the ocean compared to China and India.
Lots look to the US to 'lead the way' but much of the world pays no attention to them now. [Post edited 8 Apr 23:00]
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And the vast majority of us consume the stuff China and India produce, so we're all complicit. [Post edited 9 Apr 7:31]
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 07:43 - Apr 9 with 1191 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 07:30 - Apr 9 by noggin |
And the vast majority of us consume the stuff China and India produce, so we're all complicit. [Post edited 9 Apr 7:31]
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Are we?
We don’t really have much choice unless you don’t consume anything…
Even then most of the carbon footprint of their domestic economy of over 1bn dwarfs any exports to the UK (~2pc of exports). | | | |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 07:47 - Apr 9 with 1175 views | bluelagos |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 07:43 - Apr 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Are we?
We don’t really have much choice unless you don’t consume anything…
Even then most of the carbon footprint of their domestic economy of over 1bn dwarfs any exports to the UK (~2pc of exports). |
We use the term "Small people" - do please keep up. |  |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 07:52 - Apr 9 with 1161 views | DanTheMan |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 22:56 - Apr 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Can I let you into a secret?
The population of The US is around 348m and around 60% couldn't give a sh*t about the environment. The populations of India and China total almost 3bn and almost none give a sh*t about the environment. No fan of Trump, or his policies, but by and large what the US does is a drop in the ocean compared to China and India.
Lots look to the US to 'lead the way' but much of the world pays no attention to them now. [Post edited 8 Apr 23:00]
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U.S. produces more CO2 than India, both in total and per capita.
Given the size of India's population, its actual emissions are not that bad. It's going the wrong way which isn't great but they really aren't the worst offenders.
Russia, U.S. and China are all not great. China is starting to come back down but I would have thought Russia and the U.S. will start going up again soon which is depressing. |  |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 08:10 - Apr 9 with 1063 views | noggin |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 07:43 - Apr 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Are we?
We don’t really have much choice unless you don’t consume anything…
Even then most of the carbon footprint of their domestic economy of over 1bn dwarfs any exports to the UK (~2pc of exports). |
"We don’t really have much choice unless you don’t consume anything…"
We do have a choice. It might be either very expensive or very minimalistic but saying "Yeah but China" while demanding 'cheap' stuff from them, seems a little hypocritical. You're right though, there needs to be an affordable and green alternative if the people are to take it seriously. | |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 08:15 - Apr 9 with 1021 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 07:43 - Apr 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Are we?
We don’t really have much choice unless you don’t consume anything…
Even then most of the carbon footprint of their domestic economy of over 1bn dwarfs any exports to the UK (~2pc of exports). |
Is consuming less and demanding products that are built to last an option too? It is but probably wouldn't be great for your investments under the current economic model! | |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 08:26 - Apr 9 with 987 views | DJR |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 06:48 - Apr 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
But they are still bringing more coal power stations online, over 1,000 and counting. I assume what’s driving this Trumpist policy is that the Chinese state also heavily subsidise the coal-fired power. Chinese companies therefore buying below cost energy (effectively a way of offering govt subsidies to lower the cost of production and undercut other economies).
Certainly not a defence of it, coal has no place in this age, just thought I’d add some context. |
It is difficult to be sure about Trump's motives but I am not sure his policy in relation to coal is driven by anything China is up to.
Instead, it seems to me to be driven by his dislike of what the executive order calls woke policies that discriminate against fossil fuels, as well as his desire to appeal to his base (as demonstrated by the fact that he made the announcement surrounded by coal miners).
There may also be an element (given the US's self-sufficiency) of wanting other countries to import US energy (although not necessarily coal), as evidenced by the following.
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-says-eu-must-buy-350b-of-us-energy-
As it is, whether it will lead to much in the way of additional production or jobs is another matter, given coal production fell by 20% under Trump's first presidency (and actually picked up a little under Biden).
Putting it another way, much of what Trump does is performative when it comes to his base. [Post edited 9 Apr 8:35]
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 08:30 - Apr 9 with 963 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 08:15 - Apr 9 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is consuming less and demanding products that are built to last an option too? It is but probably wouldn't be great for your investments under the current economic model! |
Preaching to the converted mate, I try to avoid ‘fast fashion’ and certainly not under the illusion buying 3 tonne EV shipped from 1,000’s miles away is going to save the planet.
I’ve even cut down to 4 ski trips this year… | | | |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 08:45 - Apr 9 with 900 views | Swansea_Blue |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 08:30 - Apr 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Preaching to the converted mate, I try to avoid ‘fast fashion’ and certainly not under the illusion buying 3 tonne EV shipped from 1,000’s miles away is going to save the planet.
I’ve even cut down to 4 ski trips this year… |
The largest source of pollution from cars and damage to the roads is now caused by those 3 tonne EVs. Or rather, they’re no better than petrol/diesel now that we’ve the technology to clean up engines/exhaust gases and are often worse because they’re heavier. There was quite an interesting discussion about taxation yesterday on R5 which focused mostly on vehicle weight and the bad state of UK roads.
Do you ever feel like governments struggle to see the whole picture? Not that I’m against phasing out fossil fuels, but it seems that we solve one problem by creating another one. |  |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 08:48 - Apr 9 with 874 views | blueasfook |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 07:47 - Apr 9 by bluelagos |
We use the term "Small people" - do please keep up. |
Snow White and the Seven Small People just doesn't have the same ring to it. |  |
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| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 09:20 - Apr 9 with 752 views | PhilTWTD |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 06:48 - Apr 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
But they are still bringing more coal power stations online, over 1,000 and counting. I assume what’s driving this Trumpist policy is that the Chinese state also heavily subsidise the coal-fired power. Chinese companies therefore buying below cost energy (effectively a way of offering govt subsidies to lower the cost of production and undercut other economies).
Certainly not a defence of it, coal has no place in this age, just thought I’d add some context. |
Indeed, that's the lagging behind I was referring to. Does seem the overall focus is in the right direction, however. | | | |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 09:28 - Apr 9 with 683 views | Mullet |
| When can we start burning tyres to keep warm? on 09:20 - Apr 9 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, that's the lagging behind I was referring to. Does seem the overall focus is in the right direction, however. |
How long until you're scamming us with mythical solar panels instead of Audis? |  |
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