| If McKenna goes in the summer 22:41 - Apr 21 with 4087 views | BlacknGoldnBlue |
Would Will Still be a viable option? Would we be big enough for him?
All ifs and buts...but bored |  |
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:06 - Apr 21 with 3506 views | vapour_trail |
He appears to be getting an opportunity to present to all English based chairs with itchy trigger fingers by MNF. |  |
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:14 - Apr 21 with 3455 views | TrumptonBlue |
Will Will Still still be a viable option? Difficult to say. |  | | |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:17 - Apr 21 with 3435 views | bournemouthblue |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:06 - Apr 21 by vapour_trail |
He appears to be getting an opportunity to present to all English based chairs with itchy trigger fingers by MNF. |
You do wonder if there's an element of that going on here
Where do you see your future Will?
He knows what he is doing, wasn't it rumoured Nodge were interested in him before they got the current man |  |
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:21 - Apr 21 with 3407 views | vapour_trail |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:17 - Apr 21 by bournemouthblue |
You do wonder if there's an element of that going on here
Where do you see your future Will?
He knows what he is doing, wasn't it rumoured Nodge were interested in him before they got the current man |
Interesting bloke though. I liked him. | |
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:23 - Apr 21 with 3387 views | ParisBlue |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:17 - Apr 21 by bournemouthblue |
You do wonder if there's an element of that going on here
Where do you see your future Will?
He knows what he is doing, wasn't it rumoured Nodge were interested in him before they got the current man |
Southampton linked last week. |  |
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:26 - Apr 21 with 3379 views | Pique |
Not sure I really get the hype around him or would be particularly excited by the prospect of him managing us tbh. |  | | |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:31 - Apr 21 with 3341 views | bournemouthblue |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:26 - Apr 21 by Pique |
Not sure I really get the hype around him or would be particularly excited by the prospect of him managing us tbh. |
A lot of what he described matched McKenna's style from what I could see, be it with shorter passing at times
I've no doubt McKenna is incredibly detailed in what he does
One of our players was saying McKenna would tell the players how a game would unfold and it would almost always match what actually ended up happening | |
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:39 - Apr 21 with 3305 views | itfctilidie |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:31 - Apr 21 by bournemouthblue |
A lot of what he described matched McKenna's style from what I could see, be it with shorter passing at times
I've no doubt McKenna is incredibly detailed in what he does
One of our players was saying McKenna would tell the players how a game would unfold and it would almost always match what actually ended up happening |
to be fair, every football match I watch these days pans out exactly the same as every other match - the way the game is these days. Slow, possession based - dont need a crystal ball to predict |  | | |
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:50 - Apr 21 with 3266 views | MattinLondon |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:31 - Apr 21 by bournemouthblue |
A lot of what he described matched McKenna's style from what I could see, be it with shorter passing at times
I've no doubt McKenna is incredibly detailed in what he does
One of our players was saying McKenna would tell the players how a game would unfold and it would almost always match what actually ended up happening |
Regarding the last paragraph - if that’s the case does KM really tell the players that the second half of most matches will see a remarkable drop in intensity with the team not laying a glove on the opposition? Seems a tad defeatist. |  | | |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:53 - Apr 21 with 3246 views | Nutkins_Return |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:31 - Apr 21 by bournemouthblue |
A lot of what he described matched McKenna's style from what I could see, be it with shorter passing at times
I've no doubt McKenna is incredibly detailed in what he does
One of our players was saying McKenna would tell the players how a game would unfold and it would almost always match what actually ended up happening |
I just don't see it with him. He obviously has something and has done decent jobs. But he doesn't inspire me when he talks about football and it's with a different level of depth to KM. I found his presentation reasonably basic for top level (though caveating that with the importance for clear, concise and quick information for the modern footballers attention span!).
Seems a good person and I imagine the players want to do well for him. Rohl and Rosenior I think would be better pics. Hopefully not needed for a while!! |  |
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:55 - Apr 21 with 3231 views | NeedhamChris |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:53 - Apr 21 by Nutkins_Return |
I just don't see it with him. He obviously has something and has done decent jobs. But he doesn't inspire me when he talks about football and it's with a different level of depth to KM. I found his presentation reasonably basic for top level (though caveating that with the importance for clear, concise and quick information for the modern footballers attention span!).
Seems a good person and I imagine the players want to do well for him. Rohl and Rosenior I think would be better pics. Hopefully not needed for a while!! |
Roseniors redeemed himself a bit this season but whilst he talked well, with the squad he had in the Championship with Hull I think he underperformed. Wouldn't be anywhere near my list. | |
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 08:12 - Apr 22 with 2468 views | Zx1988 |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:23 - Apr 21 by ParisBlue |
Southampton linked last week. |
Well they can only have one of him or Danny Röhl. I'd be more than happy with whoever is left. | |
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 08:14 - Apr 22 with 2459 views | DJR |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:31 - Apr 21 by bournemouthblue |
A lot of what he described matched McKenna's style from what I could see, be it with shorter passing at times
I've no doubt McKenna is incredibly detailed in what he does
One of our players was saying McKenna would tell the players how a game would unfold and it would almost always match what actually ended up happening |
He's Mystic Mac. |  | | |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 10:46 - Apr 22 with 2023 views | tetchris |
Don’t think he will go in the summer, however, the American owners will consider the situation I’m sure. Ashton is their puppet so if they fancy a change it will be up to him to facilitate it.
If he stays, I do think if we are not in contention to be promoted around xmas, then he will be sacked. | | | |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 11:07 - Apr 22 with 1914 views | Lightningboy |
Interesting bloke - was like listening to an accountant discussing football. |  | | |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 11:16 - Apr 22 with 1840 views | itfc1108 |
There was a bit when discussing opponents setting up completely differently than planned for in a game, and he said about getting his keeper to go down, so he could get new messages across.
I know it happens, but just a bit shocking to hear such open gamesmanship from a manager. [Post edited 22 Apr 11:17]
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 11:36 - Apr 22 with 1746 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:55 - Apr 21 by NeedhamChris |
Roseniors redeemed himself a bit this season but whilst he talked well, with the squad he had in the Championship with Hull I think he underperformed. Wouldn't be anywhere near my list. |
He's fighting for a Champions League spot and 2nd place in Ligue 1 with a team that finished 13th and 15th in the previous two seasons. Meanwhile, Hull are now 20th, just 2 points above the relegation zone.
You mention he underperformed, but how good was the squad he had at his disposal?
Delap was injured from December to April, and while Greaves and Philogene showed promise, they’ve proven not to be Premier League caliber players yet. Carvalho has made just three starts for Brentford, scoring only once in the Premier League. Tufan has 4 goals and 2 assists in 29 appearances for Trabzonspor.
It's easy to say he underperformed because many of these players moved on to bigger clubs, but besides Delap—who only started 26 games—none have shown they could step up and make an impression on more competitive leagues. [Post edited 22 Apr 11:38]
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 11:52 - Apr 22 with 1653 views | ReusersTown |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 11:36 - Apr 22 by Bellevue_Blue |
He's fighting for a Champions League spot and 2nd place in Ligue 1 with a team that finished 13th and 15th in the previous two seasons. Meanwhile, Hull are now 20th, just 2 points above the relegation zone.
You mention he underperformed, but how good was the squad he had at his disposal?
Delap was injured from December to April, and while Greaves and Philogene showed promise, they’ve proven not to be Premier League caliber players yet. Carvalho has made just three starts for Brentford, scoring only once in the Premier League. Tufan has 4 goals and 2 assists in 29 appearances for Trabzonspor.
It's easy to say he underperformed because many of these players moved on to bigger clubs, but besides Delap—who only started 26 games—none have shown they could step up and make an impression on more competitive leagues. [Post edited 22 Apr 11:38]
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Hull weren't in the Prem, if you didn't realize. You're also talking about three players who had £20 mill moves each. Imagine if we'd had that and didn't even make the playoffs. | | | |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 11:58 - Apr 22 with 1619 views | tractordownsouth |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 23:53 - Apr 21 by Nutkins_Return |
I just don't see it with him. He obviously has something and has done decent jobs. But he doesn't inspire me when he talks about football and it's with a different level of depth to KM. I found his presentation reasonably basic for top level (though caveating that with the importance for clear, concise and quick information for the modern footballers attention span!).
Seems a good person and I imagine the players want to do well for him. Rohl and Rosenior I think would be better pics. Hopefully not needed for a while!! |
I haven't seen Rosenior's Strasbourg team but the style Hull played under him was very different to us. |  |
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 12:03 - Apr 22 with 1581 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 11:52 - Apr 22 by ReusersTown |
Hull weren't in the Prem, if you didn't realize. You're also talking about three players who had £20 mill moves each. Imagine if we'd had that and didn't even make the playoffs. |
When did I say they were in the Prem?
Of course you would be disappointed but the point still stands, only one of them has proven to be significantly above Championship level.
Given where they are now, you could argue that he overachieved. | | | |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 12:05 - Apr 22 with 1558 views | NeedhamChris |
How do you know Will was an option before? | |
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| If McKenna goes in the summer on 12:08 - Apr 22 with 1547 views | ReusersTown |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 12:03 - Apr 22 by Bellevue_Blue |
When did I say they were in the Prem?
Of course you would be disappointed but the point still stands, only one of them has proven to be significantly above Championship level.
Given where they are now, you could argue that he overachieved. |
You're appraising them against Prem levels for some reason. Who of the teams promoted would you say has players that have proven to be significantly above Championship level? It's not really relevant they were trying to get promoted from the Championship. Ergo you would be disappointed because he had underachieved. Yeah sure you could argue that he'd overachieved, it wouldn't make any sense though as it's a completely different team. | | | |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 12:27 - Apr 22 with 1478 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 12:08 - Apr 22 by ReusersTown |
You're appraising them against Prem levels for some reason. Who of the teams promoted would you say has players that have proven to be significantly above Championship level? It's not really relevant they were trying to get promoted from the Championship. Ergo you would be disappointed because he had underachieved. Yeah sure you could argue that he'd overachieved, it wouldn't make any sense though as it's a completely different team. |
Of course, the underachievement is being measured against the quality of a few key players and the value of their sales. Four of them are now playing in the Premier League, so it’s fair to assess them at that level and conclude either, "Yes, the players he had were better than that level of competition they were playing at" or "No, they’ve only shown the ability to perform at that level."
So, if his Hull squad consisted mainly of good Championship players (as they have shown), Delap (who was unavailable for four months), and around 15 other players who’ve since finished 20th in the following season, can we still consider it an underachievement? I would say no.
Anyway, agree to disagree | | | |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 13:00 - Apr 22 with 1382 views | RadioOrwell |
wtf is will still ? |  | | |
| If McKenna goes in the summer on 14:58 - Apr 22 with 1194 views | textbackup |
It’ll be Carrick if KM goes |  |
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