| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. 07:35 - Apr 24 with 10094 views | Luk38644 |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 07:43 - Apr 24 with 6123 views | Herbivore |
What a div. |  |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 07:43 - Apr 24 with 6140 views | gringoblue |
At last someone is sticking up for the poor discrimated against white male football coach. I can't recall the last time I saw one. |  | | |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. (n/t) on 07:47 - Apr 24 with 6086 views | BlueBadger |
He's doing a bit of a round-robin of 'boooo diffrunt peepul' at the moment.
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/25106100.norfolk-mp-takes-nhs-hospital-supreme-cour (paywalled, but you can get over that wall with a 12 foot ladder)
I'm guessing the police investigation about his behaviour must be getting close to completion and he's trying to curry favour with the local gammonati. [Post edited 24 Apr 7:56]
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:10 - Apr 24 with 5845 views | sjg |
Working class white boys are the most underrepresented demographic at universities. We should not be encouraging moving other opportunities away from them. |  | | |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:19 - Apr 24 with 5733 views | BlueBadger |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:10 - Apr 24 by sjg |
Working class white boys are the most underrepresented demographic at universities. We should not be encouraging moving other opportunities away from them. |
ITFC isn't a university mate. | |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:19 - Apr 24 with 5731 views | sjg |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:19 - Apr 24 by BlueBadger |
ITFC isn't a university mate. |
Hence the use of the word ‘other’ | | | |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:20 - Apr 24 with 5721 views | Herbivore |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:10 - Apr 24 by sjg |
Working class white boys are the most underrepresented demographic at universities. We should not be encouraging moving other opportunities away from them. |
You do know it's possible to both address poor educational attainment and progression amongst white working class boys AND provide opportunities to other people who are underrepresented in particular industries, right? The two aren't mutually exclusive, and white working class boys not going to university is not down to them historically not being given the opportunity to go. It's a very different scenario to women and people from minoritised backgrounds in football coaching. | |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:20 - Apr 24 with 5699 views | Benters |
Luke ! Blast from the past hope you are well dear chap. |  |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:23 - Apr 24 with 5649 views | NthQldITFC |
Shame. I rather liked him in Dad's Army and Parsley Sidings, but then he is a massively pompous and outdated tit. |  |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:36 - Apr 24 with 5566 views | Guthrum |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:10 - Apr 24 by sjg |
Working class white boys are the most underrepresented demographic at universities. We should not be encouraging moving other opportunities away from them. |
Is that because many 'working class white boys' go off to learn trades instead of going to university? An area where there is both much need and good earning potential.
Academia is not for everybody, neither is it an automatic route to a good career. |  |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:41 - Apr 24 with 5469 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:36 - Apr 24 by Guthrum |
Is that because many 'working class white boys' go off to learn trades instead of going to university? An area where there is both much need and good earning potential.
Academia is not for everybody, neither is it an automatic route to a good career. |
All true. But there is a genuine issue building regarding educational attainment for white boys from certain backgrounds and we should guard against the instinct to shift that conversation down.
Personally I am uncomfortable with such overt discrimination in a job and despite the positive intent. There is a nuanced non culture war discussion too be had on this. Not sure the ends justify the means. | | | |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:48 - Apr 24 with 5402 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Rupert Lowe is a grifting nutter.
If he is criticising you, you are probably doing something right. |  |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:12 - Apr 24 with 5191 views | itfcjoe |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:41 - Apr 24 by redrickstuhaart |
All true. But there is a genuine issue building regarding educational attainment for white boys from certain backgrounds and we should guard against the instinct to shift that conversation down.
Personally I am uncomfortable with such overt discrimination in a job and despite the positive intent. There is a nuanced non culture war discussion too be had on this. Not sure the ends justify the means. |
By all means put processes in place, mentoring schemes, extra support to casual staff in academy but to make a job only available to certain people is just wrong.
As a club, we are already over represented in comparison to the county we are based in race-wise. 6.5% of Suffolk's population is non-white - there are at least 3 first team coaches [Lee Grant, Sone Aluko, Ivan Mukandi] who are non-white.
I couldn't give exact numbers, but having been around academy games and the like this isn't an area we are under represented in - I imagine it's a centralised PL initiative [maybe they pay for it too?] but it doesn't sit right in a county with not huge prospects for young people where 94% of the males aren't eligible for a job |  |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:14 - Apr 24 with 5155 views | textbackup |
So a white male can’t apply/wont stand a chance of getting the role? Or have I read that wrong? |  |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:14 - Apr 24 with 5164 views | iamatractorboy |
Is this job actually open to all, but they are merely encouraging people from particular demographic(s) to apply? If so then not sure what the problem is. Not clear from that screenshot though and I'm loathe to give Elon a 'click' on X. Surely it's illegal to bar someone from applying based on their background etc. | | | |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:16 - Apr 24 with 5134 views | vapour_trail |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:41 - Apr 24 by redrickstuhaart |
All true. But there is a genuine issue building regarding educational attainment for white boys from certain backgrounds and we should guard against the instinct to shift that conversation down.
Personally I am uncomfortable with such overt discrimination in a job and despite the positive intent. There is a nuanced non culture war discussion too be had on this. Not sure the ends justify the means. |
To add, the cost of university is prohibitive to many now compared to my generation.
I know that many peers of my kids just will not countenance it as an option.
Personally I feel there’s a place for the scheme like the one in the OP where under representation is so pronounced. |  |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:17 - Apr 24 with 5135 views | Whos_blue |
In his fit of exasperation and desire to make his non point clear, the fact he's helpfully underlined the offending sentence just highlights the whole point of the advert.
The clue is in the phrase "under represented". Hence the need to advertise exclusively in that area.
I've no inclination to visit the post but I can only imagine the vitriol from some over this.
Nothing to see here other than a grifter playing to his audience. |  |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:30 - Apr 24 with 4972 views | Guthrum |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:14 - Apr 24 by textbackup |
So a white male can’t apply/wont stand a chance of getting the role? Or have I read that wrong? |
I would assume that's not the case, as it would be illegal to discriminate on race/gender in any direction. But they can push for more candidates from ethnic minorities and women, perhaps give some preference in the initial sift.
See the "Employing people with protected characteristics" section on here: https://www.gov.uk/employer-preventing-discrimination/recruitment | |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:35 - Apr 24 with 4906 views | MattinLondon |
A few people will probably get upset about this but it’s a PL initiative designed to help people who are underrepresented in football.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/2200292
It’s funded by the PL and has been backed by Governments (both Labour and Tory). The underlying aim is ‘that after their placements, CIDS coaches will achieve sustainable coaching positions, where they can be successful and visible role models and will inspire the next generation of coaches from a diverse background’.
It has nothing to do with university or higher education. It’s about role models and inspiration - the fact that football coaches are predominantly white (like the country) highlights that white working class kids can already aspire to be like their coaches if they wish to.
Nothing to get angry about. |  | | |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:36 - Apr 24 with 4884 views | itfcjoe |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:30 - Apr 24 by Guthrum |
I would assume that's not the case, as it would be illegal to discriminate on race/gender in any direction. But they can push for more candidates from ethnic minorities and women, perhaps give some preference in the initial sift.
See the "Employing people with protected characteristics" section on here: https://www.gov.uk/employer-preventing-discrimination/recruitment |
I think it is legal for training schemes/interns which this will probably fall under | |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:39 - Apr 24 with 4848 views | soupytwist |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:14 - Apr 24 by iamatractorboy |
Is this job actually open to all, but they are merely encouraging people from particular demographic(s) to apply? If so then not sure what the problem is. Not clear from that screenshot though and I'm loathe to give Elon a 'click' on X. Surely it's illegal to bar someone from applying based on their background etc. |
Reading the screenshot it seems that the vacancy is for a fixed-term employment and development post for an academy coach in season 2025/2026 under the Coach Inclusion and Diversity Scheme. The words 'working in partnership with the Premier League' suggest that the post is at least partly funded by the Premier League.
The club has seen an opportunity to recruit an academy coach on a 12 month contract, and not have to pay the full cost of that. Whether that's an additional person or a role that would be filled anyway at the club's expense isn't clear.
We can't be the only club doing this. It's a bit of positive discrimination, and people's views on the rights and wrongs of that will no doubt differ. However, it's probably not a bad thing for the academy's coaching staff to reflect the backgrounds of the players.
What happens at the end of the fixed term contract is unclear from what's been shared. That's an interesting question.
- edited to correct dates. [Post edited 24 Apr 11:12]
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:40 - Apr 24 with 4817 views | textbackup |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:30 - Apr 24 by Guthrum |
I would assume that's not the case, as it would be illegal to discriminate on race/gender in any direction. But they can push for more candidates from ethnic minorities and women, perhaps give some preference in the initial sift.
See the "Employing people with protected characteristics" section on here: https://www.gov.uk/employer-preventing-discrimination/recruitment |
Thanks.
Would be a real shame if the best person for the role was a boring white British man, and could help push the club on, but couldn’t even apply.
FWIW, I hope whoever the best person is gets the job. Can only benefit our club. | |
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:42 - Apr 24 with 4795 views | glasso |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 08:10 - Apr 24 by sjg |
Working class white boys are the most underrepresented demographic at universities. We should not be encouraging moving other opportunities away from them. |
There is definitely a problem for working class boys in education (of all ethnicities, but it's true that white boys fall under that 'you've got it great, stop complaining' mantra). It needs to be addressed. But this really isn't the place.
Football doesn't have a working class problem (except among the fans who are being priced out, of course). It does have a coaches-from-ethnic-minorities problem, which the club is trying to address *with a specific scheme*.
That's great. More power to them.
Why do people think that trying to give someone a leg-up is ruining chances for everyone else? It's literally *adding* a position for people of colour through a specific scheme.
They're not going to replace Kieran McKenna with a random black woman off the street to meet a quota. [Post edited 24 Apr 9:43]
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:42 - Apr 24 with 4785 views | BlueBoots |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:12 - Apr 24 by itfcjoe |
By all means put processes in place, mentoring schemes, extra support to casual staff in academy but to make a job only available to certain people is just wrong.
As a club, we are already over represented in comparison to the county we are based in race-wise. 6.5% of Suffolk's population is non-white - there are at least 3 first team coaches [Lee Grant, Sone Aluko, Ivan Mukandi] who are non-white.
I couldn't give exact numbers, but having been around academy games and the like this isn't an area we are under represented in - I imagine it's a centralised PL initiative [maybe they pay for it too?] but it doesn't sit right in a county with not huge prospects for young people where 94% of the males aren't eligible for a job |
Scheme explained here...
https://www.premierleague.com/news/2200292
Comparing to the population of Suffolk (or the country as a whole), doesn't really factor in that football coaches have usually already come from a background within the game - ex-players in particular.
I'd always feel that a job should go to the best / most suitable candidate, but when you consider that around 45% of Premier League footballers are black, and the percentage of black coaches in the EPL / EFL is currently at around 5%, I can see why the EPL would feel that a scheme like this should be introduced. [Post edited 24 Apr 14:20]
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| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:42 - Apr 24 with 4786 views | Whos_blue |
| Rupert Lowe is having a pop at us.. on 09:35 - Apr 24 by MattinLondon |
A few people will probably get upset about this but it’s a PL initiative designed to help people who are underrepresented in football.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/2200292
It’s funded by the PL and has been backed by Governments (both Labour and Tory). The underlying aim is ‘that after their placements, CIDS coaches will achieve sustainable coaching positions, where they can be successful and visible role models and will inspire the next generation of coaches from a diverse background’.
It has nothing to do with university or higher education. It’s about role models and inspiration - the fact that football coaches are predominantly white (like the country) highlights that white working class kids can already aspire to be like their coaches if they wish to.
Nothing to get angry about. |
Oh it is.
Grrrr........... or something. | |
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