| Worried by the state of the UK, this board 20:27 - May 16 with 4789 views | thebooks |
When I see posts like:
“None of the parties have the balls to stop the boats or deport those that have arrived illegally, even those that have been caught raping, robbing and wanting an easy life provided by us tax payers.”
I worry. This is how fascism spreads. It’s normalised through stuff like this that just passes by with a couple of down votes. We get used to it. |  | | |  |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 20:49 - May 16 with 2816 views | J2BLUE |
Surely people just thought it was too stupid for a response?
It's either trolling or the type of person who isn't going to be persuaded by a few replies on here. |  |
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| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 20:50 - May 16 with 2801 views | MattinLondon |
Taking aim at immigrants or foreigners has always been a thing in all societies since different communities, countries etc became a thing. And there have always been leaders who use the xenophobic card to gain votes or influence. Is that fascism? No, not yet.
I will say that the Internet has allowed an outlet for people’s casual racism to gain momentum and spread rapidly. |  | | |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 20:51 - May 16 with 2797 views | MattinLondon |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 20:49 - May 16 by J2BLUE |
Surely people just thought it was too stupid for a response?
It's either trolling or the type of person who isn't going to be persuaded by a few replies on here. |
This.
Sometimes you read a post and think ‘nah, I’m going to bypass this’. | | | |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 21:41 - May 16 with 2686 views | BlueBadger |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 20:51 - May 16 by MattinLondon |
This.
Sometimes you read a post and think ‘nah, I’m going to bypass this’. |
Quite. If I'm feeling particularly feisty I might offer some mockery, because actual engagement is pointless. |  |
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| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 21:44 - May 16 with 2684 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 20:49 - May 16 by J2BLUE |
Surely people just thought it was too stupid for a response?
It's either trolling or the type of person who isn't going to be persuaded by a few replies on here. |
Yes to not worth a response, but that is actually the view of some people. Farage and the worst of the right wing commentators have been pushing the rapist line for quite some time, for example. The OP has a point. There’s a groundswell of growing support (in response to Farage et al.) for the view that immigrants are wrong and a problem. |  |
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| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 21:57 - May 16 with 2625 views | WickhamsLeftBoot |
The term ‘illegals’ has also been normalised by society. |  | | |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 08:53 - May 17 with 2332 views | StokieBlue |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 20:49 - May 16 by J2BLUE |
Surely people just thought it was too stupid for a response?
It's either trolling or the type of person who isn't going to be persuaded by a few replies on here. |
Just because someone isn't going to be persuaded it doesn't mean such horrible views shouldn't be challenged.
It's difficult though and often pointless as you have highlighted. Many are fed up of challenging this stuff which can mean that it grows and festers.
SB [Post edited 17 May 8:56]
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| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 08:59 - May 17 with 2306 views | NedPlimpton |
Not great is it
Unfortunately I took a peak at the Swansea forum when someone posted a link to it the other day. Made for some seriously depressing reading |  | | |
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| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 09:15 - May 17 with 2257 views | DJR |
EDIT: wrong thread. [Post edited 17 May 9:17]
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| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 09:33 - May 17 with 2218 views | thebooks |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 08:53 - May 17 by StokieBlue |
Just because someone isn't going to be persuaded it doesn't mean such horrible views shouldn't be challenged.
It's difficult though and often pointless as you have highlighted. Many are fed up of challenging this stuff which can mean that it grows and festers.
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Yeah. It’s also about moderating a board so posts like this stop appearing. I feel for TWTD’s moderators having to deal with this stuff, but I guess that’s part of the deal these days.
Anyway, I reported the comment and it was removed, which is good work by Gav and Phil. | | | |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 09:53 - May 17 with 2189 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 08:59 - May 17 by NedPlimpton |
Not great is it
Unfortunately I took a peak at the Swansea forum when someone posted a link to it the other day. Made for some seriously depressing reading |
Yes, it’s horrendous on there. | |
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| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 10:18 - May 17 with 2138 views | NedPlimpton |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 09:53 - May 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes, it’s horrendous on there. |
I was genuinely shocked. The support for Reform was almost unanimous but seemingly entirely based on "well the other parties are all sh*te so we might as well give them a go"
I work with a couple of Welsh colleagues who are constantly moaning about having to pay more council tax than the English and about a few other rules in Wales like new builds having to have sprinkler systems. No idea if these things are true but they definitely think they have it a lot worse in Wales | | | |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 10:26 - May 17 with 2127 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 21:44 - May 16 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes to not worth a response, but that is actually the view of some people. Farage and the worst of the right wing commentators have been pushing the rapist line for quite some time, for example. The OP has a point. There’s a groundswell of growing support (in response to Farage et al.) for the view that immigrants are wrong and a problem. |
Indeed, and instead of saying young men, or even fit and healthy young men, they say "fighting age men". They hide behind "so they could stay and fight in their war-torn countries" but are also insinuating (to the hard-of-thinking) that they're fighing-types/might be coming here to fight. |  |
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| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 10:39 - May 17 with 2089 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 10:18 - May 17 by NedPlimpton |
I was genuinely shocked. The support for Reform was almost unanimous but seemingly entirely based on "well the other parties are all sh*te so we might as well give them a go"
I work with a couple of Welsh colleagues who are constantly moaning about having to pay more council tax than the English and about a few other rules in Wales like new builds having to have sprinkler systems. No idea if these things are true but they definitely think they have it a lot worse in Wales |
It’s generally a poorer country than England with some very deprived areas that lap up the right wing media and people like Farage. We had some big Brexit backing areas and it almost always correlated with areas of social deprivation and lower educational attainment. I’m sure that carries on today into the current attack on immigrants. There are some desperate people who have seen Labour and (in Westminster) the Tories fail them. They probably don’t care if Reform are liars; anyone but the current lot will do.
It’s not true that council tax is higher than England, but again it shows a susceptibility to be steered by the media, as the right wing press made a big deal of Wales’ high percentage rises this year. Overall cost are still lower though. The cost of living is generally lower in Wales than England too, but then so are wages, etc.
I suspect there are areas in England, like some of the old northern industrial towns, that are very similar in terms of people’s desperation. It’s understandable they’re attracted to empty promises and lies about foreigners, even if a populist party like Reform isn’t going to improve their lives. | |
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| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 10:42 - May 17 with 2080 views | ghostofescobar |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 10:18 - May 17 by NedPlimpton |
I was genuinely shocked. The support for Reform was almost unanimous but seemingly entirely based on "well the other parties are all sh*te so we might as well give them a go"
I work with a couple of Welsh colleagues who are constantly moaning about having to pay more council tax than the English and about a few other rules in Wales like new builds having to have sprinkler systems. No idea if these things are true but they definitely think they have it a lot worse in Wales |
This is a really interesting point. Having had a long discussion with a visiting American one evening a couple of months back, who holds a senior position at an insurance related company, so well educated and very well paid, it became apparent that what I thought would be a Trump bashing chat turned out to be nothing of the sort. His prevailing view was, everyone else has slowly allowed the country to deteriorate; jobs, pay, infrastructure, education, health care, just the general quality of life has gone backwards for most Americans. So why not Trump? How much worse can day to day life get? His view was that, he doesn’t like Trump on a personal level in any way, but who knows, maybe by tearing up the rule book, somethings might change for the better. He said that many Americans think politicians talk big, but nothing changes, whereas with Trump, things will change, some for the better, some worse, but it was time for change in his view. I was surprised, but started to understand a bit more about why Trump won so decisively |  |
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| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 11:37 - May 17 with 1983 views | jasondozzell |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 10:18 - May 17 by NedPlimpton |
I was genuinely shocked. The support for Reform was almost unanimous but seemingly entirely based on "well the other parties are all sh*te so we might as well give them a go"
I work with a couple of Welsh colleagues who are constantly moaning about having to pay more council tax than the English and about a few other rules in Wales like new builds having to have sprinkler systems. No idea if these things are true but they definitely think they have it a lot worse in Wales |
Yes and I think a whole swathe of the media and this country is still unaware of the strength of feeling.
Farage will be PM in 2029. And personally I think the origins of it lie at the door of the Labour wrecking scandal and the People's Vote campaign which turned out to be a Mandelson project to destroy the left in the Labour party and nothing more. The antidote to this country's dire situation was (is?) moderate democratic socialism. This was popular with the public. It had a mandate. But because a certain group of people couldn't beat losing their control/jobs, there was a disgraceful wrecking campaign from inside the Labour party and throughout the media to destroy it with breathtakingly cynical and immoral antisemitism smears.
The Starmer project is utterly embarrassing Emperor's new clothes affair backed by a very small number of people who thought that a 25 year old 'third way' Blairite media soundbite routine was smart and clever politics. It appealed to people who don't think critically but accept the lazy media narrative. It has no political plan and no principles and is dead in under a year. It was presented as a landslide. It was nothing of the sort.
You've only got to walk down the high street to understand why people are voting Reform..it's the same as the usual response to Trump - people throw their hands up in horror as if it's Trump who is the problem. He's merely a symptom of the situation. He's also a smarter operator than those same people give him credit for. Like Farage.
I'll never forget reading about a rally in a small southern mining town Trump held in 2016. No presidential campaigner had ever been there for a rally. It was a town in terrible circumstances and had been left to rot by neoliberal agenda.The righteous anger there was real. That's why Trump wins.
It'll be the same in the UK. If you then add this country's right wing racism bombardment in press for years with the Thatcherite view that has been pushed on us everywhere for 40 years, and you cut off all other options/arguments, then you are going to get a Reform landslide.
2019 was a disgraceful election and that was the end really.
Sorry - had to get that off chest! |  | | |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 11:54 - May 17 with 1939 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 11:37 - May 17 by jasondozzell |
Yes and I think a whole swathe of the media and this country is still unaware of the strength of feeling.
Farage will be PM in 2029. And personally I think the origins of it lie at the door of the Labour wrecking scandal and the People's Vote campaign which turned out to be a Mandelson project to destroy the left in the Labour party and nothing more. The antidote to this country's dire situation was (is?) moderate democratic socialism. This was popular with the public. It had a mandate. But because a certain group of people couldn't beat losing their control/jobs, there was a disgraceful wrecking campaign from inside the Labour party and throughout the media to destroy it with breathtakingly cynical and immoral antisemitism smears.
The Starmer project is utterly embarrassing Emperor's new clothes affair backed by a very small number of people who thought that a 25 year old 'third way' Blairite media soundbite routine was smart and clever politics. It appealed to people who don't think critically but accept the lazy media narrative. It has no political plan and no principles and is dead in under a year. It was presented as a landslide. It was nothing of the sort.
You've only got to walk down the high street to understand why people are voting Reform..it's the same as the usual response to Trump - people throw their hands up in horror as if it's Trump who is the problem. He's merely a symptom of the situation. He's also a smarter operator than those same people give him credit for. Like Farage.
I'll never forget reading about a rally in a small southern mining town Trump held in 2016. No presidential campaigner had ever been there for a rally. It was a town in terrible circumstances and had been left to rot by neoliberal agenda.The righteous anger there was real. That's why Trump wins.
It'll be the same in the UK. If you then add this country's right wing racism bombardment in press for years with the Thatcherite view that has been pushed on us everywhere for 40 years, and you cut off all other options/arguments, then you are going to get a Reform landslide.
2019 was a disgraceful election and that was the end really.
Sorry - had to get that off chest! |
And….breath 
A lot to agree with in that. I feel that Labour are cooked as well. They would have needed time even with a decent plan, but people seem to be losing patience already. They’ll have to do something incredibly transformative that changes people’s lives for the better to stand any chance of staying on. They don’t appear to have the imagination or vision to do so. | |
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| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 12:01 - May 17 with 1911 views | jasondozzell |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 11:54 - May 17 by Swansea_Blue |
And….breath
A lot to agree with in that. I feel that Labour are cooked as well. They would have needed time even with a decent plan, but people seem to be losing patience already. They’ll have to do something incredibly transformative that changes people’s lives for the better to stand any chance of staying on. They don’t appear to have the imagination or vision to do so. |
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I agree. There was no vision and it doesn't help that the cabinet is a who's who of mediocrity, mendacity and dire communication skills. Virtually the entire party has been chosen because they are compliant technocrats who won't rock the boat so can't see anything emerging. In the old days, a whole raft of MPs would have resigned after the winter fuel allowance, the migration speech etc. No principles! | | | |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 12:02 - May 17 with 1910 views | leitrimblue |
I think I did make some half arsed comment about the royals in reply to the post in question.
As others have said the post was too stupid to bother giving a long sensible reply to. It's not as if someone capable of writing something as dumb as that post is gonna be able to back up their rants with any evidence etc |  | | |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 12:09 - May 17 with 1878 views | NedPlimpton |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 11:37 - May 17 by jasondozzell |
Yes and I think a whole swathe of the media and this country is still unaware of the strength of feeling.
Farage will be PM in 2029. And personally I think the origins of it lie at the door of the Labour wrecking scandal and the People's Vote campaign which turned out to be a Mandelson project to destroy the left in the Labour party and nothing more. The antidote to this country's dire situation was (is?) moderate democratic socialism. This was popular with the public. It had a mandate. But because a certain group of people couldn't beat losing their control/jobs, there was a disgraceful wrecking campaign from inside the Labour party and throughout the media to destroy it with breathtakingly cynical and immoral antisemitism smears.
The Starmer project is utterly embarrassing Emperor's new clothes affair backed by a very small number of people who thought that a 25 year old 'third way' Blairite media soundbite routine was smart and clever politics. It appealed to people who don't think critically but accept the lazy media narrative. It has no political plan and no principles and is dead in under a year. It was presented as a landslide. It was nothing of the sort.
You've only got to walk down the high street to understand why people are voting Reform..it's the same as the usual response to Trump - people throw their hands up in horror as if it's Trump who is the problem. He's merely a symptom of the situation. He's also a smarter operator than those same people give him credit for. Like Farage.
I'll never forget reading about a rally in a small southern mining town Trump held in 2016. No presidential campaigner had ever been there for a rally. It was a town in terrible circumstances and had been left to rot by neoliberal agenda.The righteous anger there was real. That's why Trump wins.
It'll be the same in the UK. If you then add this country's right wing racism bombardment in press for years with the Thatcherite view that has been pushed on us everywhere for 40 years, and you cut off all other options/arguments, then you are going to get a Reform landslide.
2019 was a disgraceful election and that was the end really.
Sorry - had to get that off chest! |
Hmm, a lot to take in there
To say that the Starmer project is utterly embarrassing whilst we have just become the fastest growing economy in the G7 might be a bit of a stretch. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot to dislike about this current labour govt but it's hardly an embarrassment
Also saying you only have to walk down the high street to see why people are voting reform, obviously depends on the high street. Some were posting on here over the last few days saying how busy the centre of places where inc Manchester and where I live in York
It's going to take an awful lot for reform to get a majority, as fortunately the right wing vote will be massively split between Tory, reform and some people enticed by Starmer's new anti immigration policies. There could definitely be a scenario where we end up with a reform/tory coalition though | | | |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 12:11 - May 17 with 1873 views | LuciBlue |
At the risk of causing arguments, the word 'illegal' is important.
Anything against the law of the land should not be ignored by either end of the spectrum. |  |
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| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 12:12 - May 17 with 1864 views | JohnTy |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 12:01 - May 17 by jasondozzell |
😁
I agree. There was no vision and it doesn't help that the cabinet is a who's who of mediocrity, mendacity and dire communication skills. Virtually the entire party has been chosen because they are compliant technocrats who won't rock the boat so can't see anything emerging. In the old days, a whole raft of MPs would have resigned after the winter fuel allowance, the migration speech etc. No principles! |
Clearly the last election wasn't a win for anything - simply a determination to get the Tories out, with significant tactical voting by supporters of closer ties to Europe and a change to the electoral system, despite Labour's disavowal of both.
The fault line in UK politics is still Brexit. In the local elections Reform did much better in areas that voted Leave than those that voted Remain.
Education is also now a big factor. In the local elections Reform averaged 43% in wards where more than half of adults have few if any educational qualifications. It averaged 19% in wards where more than 2 in 5 have a degree. [Post edited 17 May 12:13]
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| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 12:37 - May 17 with 1766 views | jasondozzell |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 12:09 - May 17 by NedPlimpton |
Hmm, a lot to take in there
To say that the Starmer project is utterly embarrassing whilst we have just become the fastest growing economy in the G7 might be a bit of a stretch. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot to dislike about this current labour govt but it's hardly an embarrassment
Also saying you only have to walk down the high street to see why people are voting reform, obviously depends on the high street. Some were posting on here over the last few days saying how busy the centre of places where inc Manchester and where I live in York
It's going to take an awful lot for reform to get a majority, as fortunately the right wing vote will be massively split between Tory, reform and some people enticed by Starmer's new anti immigration policies. There could definitely be a scenario where we end up with a reform/tory coalition though |
'Fastesr growing economy in G7' - youll never sing that...
It's a fair point but going to have to respectfully disagree. If continuing austerity, being serial liars, arming Israel and supporting a genocide, pinballing all over the place purely for optics, echoing Enoch Powell, getting into bed with BlackRock (BLACKROCK!!) isn't embarrassing and shameful then what is?
You're right about the different high streets and places. That's a huge part of the problem and why Reform will win. Because we're very divided. It's like Ipswich V Bury here
The Tories are dead imo. Things have shifted. Farage has more political skill in his little finger than the rest of them put together. He will be PM. | | | |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 12:43 - May 17 with 1750 views | jasondozzell |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 12:12 - May 17 by JohnTy |
Clearly the last election wasn't a win for anything - simply a determination to get the Tories out, with significant tactical voting by supporters of closer ties to Europe and a change to the electoral system, despite Labour's disavowal of both.
The fault line in UK politics is still Brexit. In the local elections Reform did much better in areas that voted Leave than those that voted Remain.
Education is also now a big factor. In the local elections Reform averaged 43% in wards where more than half of adults have few if any educational qualifications. It averaged 19% in wards where more than 2 in 5 have a degree. [Post edited 17 May 12:13]
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Substitute Brexit for have and have nots for the fault line.
The obsession with Brexit imo is a mistake.It's nearly a decade ago.
People who couldn't understand why people voted for Brexit are going to be the same over Reform. In both cases it needed people to try to understand why. Same as with Trump. But political/media elite totally incurious. | | | |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 12:58 - May 17 with 1713 views | eireblue |
| Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 12:11 - May 17 by LuciBlue |
At the risk of causing arguments, the word 'illegal' is important.
Anything against the law of the land should not be ignored by either end of the spectrum. |
A person isn’t illegal.
Acts are illegal.
The majority of drivers speed.
You don’t refer to humans in cars as illegals. |  | | |
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