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A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 16:12 - May 19 by MattinLondon
I wouldn’t be surprised - I do think that ‘freedom of movement’ will be the next step if Labour or a more moderate Conservative administration win power at the next election.
And I think over time instead of being ‘half out’ within the EU the UK will be ‘half in’ outside of the EU. In the single market and in free movement but not actually in the EU.
I do think that the overwhelming majority of people will accept that.
When you think about it, it’s ludicrous that that didn’t happen in the first place but instead wasted billions with a ‘blue, white and red’ Brexit.
A softer Brexit would have made sense for everyone, but the EU didn't want to be seen to be giving Britain a good deal, to discourage other dissenters such as France & the Netherlands. The possibility of a "moderate" Conservative party being elected at the next General Election is negligible. They are totally in the grip of Reform, while Starmer's "Tory lite" strategy could capture middle ground voters. As things stand, I would prefer a Labour government to the alternatives.
A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 11:39 - May 19 by DJR
Looks like Labour are no different to the Tories when it comes to the devolved regions.
Scottish government complains about not being consulted over deal with EU on fishing
Angus Robertson, cabinet secretary for constitution, external affairs and culture in the SNP Scottish government, has posted this on social media about the fishing aspect of the EU-UK deal
"UK Govt has agreed a fisheries (devolved) deal with EU in principle, without any recourse, involvement or approval of Devolved Admins. Scottish Government received no documentation or draft proposals in advance. I asked UK minister last week for this. Nothing received. Reset?"
Meet the new control freaks, same as the old control freaks?
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The SNP just complains. About everything. Constantly. Always somebody else’s fault too. ‘Westminster’ usually, as if the whole area is against Scotland, including the Red Lion and St James Tavern..
If they want independence, that’s fine. SNP is the majority party so grant it as from next week. They can then make their own arrangements on fishing, trade, new Winnebagos and everything else while we build a wall. Good luck with that.
Apologies, funerals shorten my patience, rationality and normally mild, easy going nature.😂. Ignore.
Back to reality, what I really believe is that the most important aspect is to repair EU relationships. The impasse / nightmare since 2016? It had to end and however bad people might think this deal is, it’s a start that'll hopefully improve business.
Brexit irreparably damaged this country unless you believe a trade deal with the Faroe Islands was all we needed. Progress with the EU given the threats from Russia and now uncertainty with the US has to be a good thing, even if the details are a bit meh and the EU retains its unpleasant aspects.
Most of the arrangements will be boring, as they were pre 2019, and not reported, but they will be no less important.
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A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 16:41 - May 19 with 532 views
A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 16:37 - May 19 by Churchman
The SNP just complains. About everything. Constantly. Always somebody else’s fault too. ‘Westminster’ usually, as if the whole area is against Scotland, including the Red Lion and St James Tavern..
If they want independence, that’s fine. SNP is the majority party so grant it as from next week. They can then make their own arrangements on fishing, trade, new Winnebagos and everything else while we build a wall. Good luck with that.
Apologies, funerals shorten my patience, rationality and normally mild, easy going nature.😂. Ignore.
Back to reality, what I really believe is that the most important aspect is to repair EU relationships. The impasse / nightmare since 2016? It had to end and however bad people might think this deal is, it’s a start that'll hopefully improve business.
Brexit irreparably damaged this country unless you believe a trade deal with the Faroe Islands was all we needed. Progress with the EU given the threats from Russia and now uncertainty with the US has to be a good thing, even if the details are a bit meh and the EU retains its unpleasant aspects.
Most of the arrangements will be boring, as they were pre 2019, and not reported, but they will be no less important.
Good post and while I think Europe does need to stand up to Putin given that Trump is disinclined to do the job for us, I find it hard to believe that the EU will ever do anything meaningful - and Putin knows it.
A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 16:37 - May 19 by Churchman
The SNP just complains. About everything. Constantly. Always somebody else’s fault too. ‘Westminster’ usually, as if the whole area is against Scotland, including the Red Lion and St James Tavern..
If they want independence, that’s fine. SNP is the majority party so grant it as from next week. They can then make their own arrangements on fishing, trade, new Winnebagos and everything else while we build a wall. Good luck with that.
Apologies, funerals shorten my patience, rationality and normally mild, easy going nature.😂. Ignore.
Back to reality, what I really believe is that the most important aspect is to repair EU relationships. The impasse / nightmare since 2016? It had to end and however bad people might think this deal is, it’s a start that'll hopefully improve business.
Brexit irreparably damaged this country unless you believe a trade deal with the Faroe Islands was all we needed. Progress with the EU given the threats from Russia and now uncertainty with the US has to be a good thing, even if the details are a bit meh and the EU retains its unpleasant aspects.
Most of the arrangements will be boring, as they were pre 2019, and not reported, but they will be no less important.
No problem at all.
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A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 16:51 - May 19 with 485 views
A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 16:27 - May 19 by reusersfreekicks
Oh missed that great news
That's after the entire election was annulled by the Romanian constitutional court, when Georgescu won the first round of voting. There were allegations of foreign interference that has never been proven. He was also arrested in February and prevented from registered his candidacy again./ His "substitute" did not have the popularity he did. There may be some pro-EU skulduggery afoot here.
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A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 17:13 - May 19 with 443 views
A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 16:35 - May 19 by Radlett_blue
A softer Brexit would have made sense for everyone, but the EU didn't want to be seen to be giving Britain a good deal, to discourage other dissenters such as France & the Netherlands. The possibility of a "moderate" Conservative party being elected at the next General Election is negligible. They are totally in the grip of Reform, while Starmer's "Tory lite" strategy could capture middle ground voters. As things stand, I would prefer a Labour government to the alternatives.
A softer Brexit was made nigh on impossible by May's self-imposed red lines.
A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 13:51 - May 19 by giant_stow
Fair point - I'd read before today that exporting Seafood might be easier in this deal, but I can't see any mention of whether that actually happened, so I assume not.
This is on the Guardian website.
Fisheries
The EU and UK have agreed to roll over the existing fishing deal for another 12 years, until 2038, providing access to UK waters for EU fishers.
But crucially, the food and drinks deal means that the fish caught in British waters can now be processed and sold into the EU without veterinary checks, eliminating huge costs created by Brexit.
It also opens the door for shellfish – from crabs and mussels, to shrimp and shrimp products – to be sold into the EU, allowing fish to be caught in the EU, for example in the Irish sea, and processed in Great Britain.
These SPS easements are potentially a big bounce for exporters, given that 70% of seafood caught in the UK is sold in EU shops and restaurants.
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A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 18:00 - May 19 with 403 views
A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 11:01 - May 19 by quirkie
Can only see Reform gaining from this, just gives them more ammunition and they'll say Labour caving into the EU. Right wing press will go into a frenzy.
Reform would've claimed it was a disaster regardless. Their core support will be furious but I think there's more for them to lose in dragging up the Brexit debate again with a tired public that mostly wants to move on from the most toxic and divisive political issue of the last decade.
A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 18:13 - May 19 by tractordownsouth
Reform would've claimed it was a disaster regardless. Their core support will be furious but I think there's more for them to lose in dragging up the Brexit debate again with a tired public that mostly wants to move on from the most toxic and divisive political issue of the last decade.
I think that Reform are quite happy simply playing the immigration card, given that the Tories totally failed to control immigration in 14 years in power, while Starmer doesn't have any answers either.
A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 16:35 - May 19 by Radlett_blue
A softer Brexit would have made sense for everyone, but the EU didn't want to be seen to be giving Britain a good deal, to discourage other dissenters such as France & the Netherlands. The possibility of a "moderate" Conservative party being elected at the next General Election is negligible. They are totally in the grip of Reform, while Starmer's "Tory lite" strategy could capture middle ground voters. As things stand, I would prefer a Labour government to the alternatives.
I'm sorry, but it's absurd and revisionist to try and pin a harder Brexit on the EU. Hard Brexit was a natural outcome of May's disastrous red lines and Soft Brexit was taken off the table by the UK government very early on.
Obviously the EU would always be tough to negotiate with, but that's because they had by far the stronger position to work from. That ensured that we had to fight hard for any deal and make concessions, but a soft Brexit would have actually been easier to negotiate as less would have changed in the relationship. Issue was the swivel eyed loons were already taking over he Tory party by that point and it would never have been ideologically pure enough for them.
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A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 20:33 - May 19 with 214 views
A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 16:51 - May 19 by brazil1982
That's after the entire election was annulled by the Romanian constitutional court, when Georgescu won the first round of voting. There were allegations of foreign interference that has never been proven. He was also arrested in February and prevented from registered his candidacy again./ His "substitute" did not have the popularity he did. There may be some pro-EU skulduggery afoot here.
Telegraph nonsense Putin patsy stuff Well done
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A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 22:07 - May 19 with 165 views
A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 18:11 - May 19 by backwaywhen
Well for one the fishing industry is not a happy ship right now , excuse the pun .
So they are not happy with:
The EU and UK have agreed to roll over the existing fishing deal for another 12 years, until 2038, providing access to UK waters for EU fishers.
But crucially, the food and drinks deal means that the fish caught in British waters can now be processed and sold into the EU without veterinary checks, eliminating huge costs created by Brexit.
It also opens the door for shellfish – from crabs and mussels, to shrimp and shrimp products – to be sold into the EU, allowing fish to be caught in the EU, for example in the Irish sea, and processed in Great Britain.
These SPS easements are potentially a big bounce for exporters, given that 70% of seafood caught in the UK is sold in EU shops and restaurants.
Or in other words, they don't like the Brexit benefits we already had being improved upon.
A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 22:12 - May 19 by Swansea_Blue
I saw this GB News ‘interview’ earlier. It didn’t quite go as planned, and how sh*t is the interviewer? Absolutely hopeless.
She tried so hard to put the words she wanted to hear into his mouth but eventually realised she couldn't and was resigned to letting him say what he was saying.
In many respects that is a far better interviewer than one who won't allow the interviewee say what they think because the interviewer doesn't like it.
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