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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? 09:31 - Jun 10 with 1191 viewsRIPbobby

As it stands I think these are the rules..

Teams must initially take up to 5 penalties by 5 different players and the aggregate wins. After that it becomes sudden death, again with a new player each time. Until every player who finished the match has taken one and then it starts again. Obviously if a team has had a player sent of or more the opposition have to announce a player to not take a penalty. This stops the short-handed team gaining an advantage.

Would a shoot out be better if you literally have specialist penalty takers who could take numerous penalties and make it a real competition of keeper versus taker. This would eliminate the horror if being the one who ruined your team's chances as the specialist would take it on the chin better.

A bit like in the winter Olympics when hockey player tj oshie took multiple penalties for USA. I think that would be much better.


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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 09:43 - Jun 10 with 1127 viewsglasso

No way. The complete opposite.

Managers should be in the 5. Have to take the pens in their loafers.

Players have to take them with their weak foot.

Specialist kick takers have to be spun round until they're dizzy before taking their pen.

Every side has to give at least one of their penalties to AAH.
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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 10:10 - Jun 10 with 1056 viewsZx1988

No, it's often the depth (or lack thereof) of takers that helps determine the outcome and bring the shootout to an end.

Imagine if you could just keep rotating the first five takers - our shootout against Forest would probably still be going.

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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 10:14 - Jun 10 with 1047 viewsTRUE_BLUE123

I appreciate it is slightly irrelevant to the point you are making.

But one thing that needs to be changed about penalties is the stutter rules. Some of them really are ridiculous. The taker already has a huge advantage over the keeper but some of these run ups make it nigh on impossible.

I would personally like to see a rule change where it has to be one fluid motion.

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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 11:53 - Jun 10 with 950 viewsMattinLondon

Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 10:14 - Jun 10 by TRUE_BLUE123

I appreciate it is slightly irrelevant to the point you are making.

But one thing that needs to be changed about penalties is the stutter rules. Some of them really are ridiculous. The taker already has a huge advantage over the keeper but some of these run ups make it nigh on impossible.

I would personally like to see a rule change where it has to be one fluid motion.


Sorry for the question from the class idiot (me).

But technically speaking, aren’t staggered run-ups still one fluid motion as they aren’t actually stopping and starting?
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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 12:06 - Jun 10 with 923 views_clive_baker_

I've always thought if a player has been sent off, that 11th penalty should count as a miss for his team. Obviously very unlikely to get that far in the shootout, but an added bit of punishment.
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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 12:22 - Jun 10 with 887 viewsvapour_trail

Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 10:14 - Jun 10 by TRUE_BLUE123

I appreciate it is slightly irrelevant to the point you are making.

But one thing that needs to be changed about penalties is the stutter rules. Some of them really are ridiculous. The taker already has a huge advantage over the keeper but some of these run ups make it nigh on impossible.

I would personally like to see a rule change where it has to be one fluid motion.



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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 12:26 - Jun 10 with 862 viewsTRUE_BLUE123

Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 11:53 - Jun 10 by MattinLondon

Sorry for the question from the class idiot (me).

But technically speaking, aren’t staggered run-ups still one fluid motion as they aren’t actually stopping and starting?


Technically speaking yes but some of them get very close to stopping dead and I just think its unfair.

Maybe I worded it badly but I would like some rules where this sort of stuff is banned

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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 12:27 - Jun 10 with 858 viewsPhilTWTD

I prefer the old NASL shoot-outs, much more entertaining.

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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 13:09 - Jun 10 with 778 viewsRonFearonsHair

Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 10:14 - Jun 10 by TRUE_BLUE123

I appreciate it is slightly irrelevant to the point you are making.

But one thing that needs to be changed about penalties is the stutter rules. Some of them really are ridiculous. The taker already has a huge advantage over the keeper but some of these run ups make it nigh on impossible.

I would personally like to see a rule change where it has to be one fluid motion.


Give the players three seconds to take the penalty from the referee's whistle. If they are too late they forfeit the shot.
The potential controversies are off the scale but it would be worth it to get rid of the stupid run-ups.
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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 13:12 - Jun 10 with 768 viewsBobbychase

I would seriously ban the shuffle, jump, pause run-up that lots of people do. Everything is slanted in favour of the taker anyway. Anything but a smooth continuous run-up should be banned

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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 13:17 - Jun 10 with 754 viewsBobbychase

Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 10:14 - Jun 10 by TRUE_BLUE123

I appreciate it is slightly irrelevant to the point you are making.

But one thing that needs to be changed about penalties is the stutter rules. Some of them really are ridiculous. The taker already has a huge advantage over the keeper but some of these run ups make it nigh on impossible.

I would personally like to see a rule change where it has to be one fluid motion.


Sorry, should have read this first before I basically said the same thing

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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 13:20 - Jun 10 with 747 viewsRIPbobby

Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 12:27 - Jun 10 by PhilTWTD

I prefer the old NASL shoot-outs, much more entertaining.



Yeah that was fun. One thing I observed from it is how little skill players have these days. So many didn't try and take on the keeper and most who scored did the dink over the keeper method. Marcus Stewart would have a field day in that scenario. I would probably class Jack Clarke as a dribbler and Omari too, and possibly Borady but other than that we don't have any. Incredible really how it is a dying skill.
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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 13:29 - Jun 10 with 734 viewsSwansea_Blue

Just make ‘sudden death’ literal. That’d add some extra drama.

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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 13:42 - Jun 10 with 705 viewsPhilTWTD

Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 13:20 - Jun 10 by RIPbobby

Yeah that was fun. One thing I observed from it is how little skill players have these days. So many didn't try and take on the keeper and most who scored did the dink over the keeper method. Marcus Stewart would have a field day in that scenario. I would probably class Jack Clarke as a dribbler and Omari too, and possibly Borady but other than that we don't have any. Incredible really how it is a dying skill.


Tony Kinsella told me a story from when he was at Tampa playing alongside John Gorman. Gorman's best friend Glenn Hoddle was staying with him and joined them for training one day while they were practicing shoot-outs. Hoddle's approach was to take a touch and curl it into the top corner from the full 35 yards.
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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 13:44 - Jun 10 with 696 viewsTRUE_BLUE123

Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 13:17 - Jun 10 by Bobbychase

Sorry, should have read this first before I basically said the same thing


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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 14:07 - Jun 10 with 660 viewsbsw72

Put a circle 2 yards around the spot, as soon as the taker steps into the circle, keeper can move off his line to close down.

Would address the stutter nonsense.
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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 14:10 - Jun 10 with 646 viewsVaughan8

No way. Its far too "easy" for the taker. As mentioned they can do stutters, jumps etc etc in their run ups. Now VAR can watch the goalies coming off their lines and disallow goals.

As others have said, These run ups need some sort of (new) rules.

Maybe make the goalie take one of the 5.....!
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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 14:31 - Jun 10 with 613 viewsOldFart71

I certainly would change the rules, especially if it's England taking the pens. I'd make the goals twice the width and the height of rugby posts and do away with opposing goalkeepers.
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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 15:06 - Jun 10 with 584 viewsRIPbobby

Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 14:31 - Jun 10 by OldFart71

I certainly would change the rules, especially if it's England taking the pens. I'd make the goals twice the width and the height of rugby posts and do away with opposing goalkeepers.


We are pretty good at pens now. Actually everyone is.
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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 15:19 - Jun 10 with 566 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Not sure how a blank reply came up initially!

VAR could always go back and review which team it decided was the most attacking over the course of the match and came closest to winning.

We could always get AI involved too.

Given how accurate and uncontroversial VAR has proven, we could always add in an audience vote ... or just toss a coin!
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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 15:34 - Jun 10 with 546 viewsDarkBrandon

No.

Although teams A and B should alternate as to who goes first in each pair of penalties (like tennis tie-breaks).

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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 15:50 - Jun 10 with 515 viewsZx1988

Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 13:20 - Jun 10 by RIPbobby

Yeah that was fun. One thing I observed from it is how little skill players have these days. So many didn't try and take on the keeper and most who scored did the dink over the keeper method. Marcus Stewart would have a field day in that scenario. I would probably class Jack Clarke as a dribbler and Omari too, and possibly Borady but other than that we don't have any. Incredible really how it is a dying skill.


I think the five-second rule might not have helped there. Watching that video, most of the players are perilously close to five seconds by the time they get to the penalty area. By the time they've rounded the 'keeper, they would probably have been timed out.

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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 16:12 - Jun 10 with 466 viewsKievthegreat

If you want to copy Ice Hockey, they tend to avoid shootouts in big elimination games. The shootout the OP posted is actually just for an extra point in the group stages.

Some leagues are different, but it's usually unlimited sudden death overtime until someone scores when it's an elimination match. Penalties are too arbitrary to decide play-off ties.

And it really is unlimited, even if it takes the equivalent of 2.5 extra games worth of overtime.

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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 16:12 - Jun 10 with 465 viewsChurchman

I’d make it more varied and interesting. 5 disciplines to decide the winner.

1. Players in turn do the crossbar challenge. First team to hit it, 1 point.
2. A player from each team nominated to fight. First to knock the opponent down - 1 point.
3. Captains to each cook a quarter pounder with cheese. Ref to decide which was the best. 1 point.
4. Each team at the same time see how many players they can get in an old Mini and drive it once round the pitch each holding pint of beer. If it’s deadlock, the amount of remaining beer in the glasses to decide the point. Who remembers Its a Knockout?
5. A tug o War. 11 players on each team - 1 point.
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Would anybody support changes to penalty shoot out rules? on 17:31 - Jun 10 with 369 viewsTheBoyBlue

Nothing wrong penalty shoot-outs, they inject drama into even some of the most meaningless fixtures. I'd drop extra time though.

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