| If McKenna goes.... 10:19 - Jun 10 with 10525 views | itfcjoe |
Just looking at manager markets for Brentford, Leicester and Boro to see who is seen as available and of the right sort of level if McKenna does end up poached.
Some names, in no particular order
Danny Rohl
Michael Carrick
Steven Gerrard
Sean Dyche
Steve Cooper
Gary O'Neil
Rob Edwards
Marti Cifuentes
Liam Rosenior
Edin Terzic
Ralph Hassenhutl
Do you think this misses anyone? I could easily totally rule a few of them out for one reason or another, but if going with anyone with a track record [and season so important you'd have to]. not sure who else would be on any list |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 12:34 - Jun 10 with 1591 views | _clive_baker_ |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:30 - Jun 10 by burnbudgiesburn |
My 2 prefered options would be Rohl and Rosenior
But debatable whether we could get either - would we pay the reported £10m release clause for him and his staff? ( he's also reportedly talked to Wolfsburg)
Not sure we could tempt Rosenior away from Strasbourg either. |
That is a problem with Rohl, apparently the cost of getting him out of Wednesday is ridiculous by Championship standards. |  | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:35 - Jun 10 with 1580 views | portmanking |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:34 - Jun 10 by _clive_baker_ |
That is a problem with Rohl, apparently the cost of getting him out of Wednesday is ridiculous by Championship standards. |
The bigger problem is that he wants to move back to manage in Germany. |  | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:37 - Jun 10 with 1553 views | itfc48 |
It's essentially a Head Coach role rather than a manager role so either McKenna or Brentford would have to compromise.
If Mbuemo goes, whoever goes there next is going to have a big job raising their stock—if you keep selling your best player, eventually you'll become unstuck, and I'd say Frank overachieved.
Brighton was the job he should have taken. I'm glad he stayed however he must have known deep down that relegation would be the likely scenario given the huge jump in two seasons. | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:37 - Jun 10 with 1545 views | Kieran_Knows |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:34 - Jun 10 by _clive_baker_ |
That is a problem with Rohl, apparently the cost of getting him out of Wednesday is ridiculous by Championship standards. |
£5m for Rohl, and £5m for his backroom staff wasn't it? |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 12:42 - Jun 10 with 1507 views | portmanking |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:37 - Jun 10 by itfc48 |
It's essentially a Head Coach role rather than a manager role so either McKenna or Brentford would have to compromise.
If Mbuemo goes, whoever goes there next is going to have a big job raising their stock—if you keep selling your best player, eventually you'll become unstuck, and I'd say Frank overachieved.
Brighton was the job he should have taken. I'm glad he stayed however he must have known deep down that relegation would be the likely scenario given the huge jump in two seasons. |
I'm with you on that one. If Kieran isn't prepared to build us/stabilise us in the PL then move on to a mammoth club, Brighton was the one that made the most sense. | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:46 - Jun 10 with 1463 views | Kieran_Knows |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:37 - Jun 10 by itfc48 |
It's essentially a Head Coach role rather than a manager role so either McKenna or Brentford would have to compromise.
If Mbuemo goes, whoever goes there next is going to have a big job raising their stock—if you keep selling your best player, eventually you'll become unstuck, and I'd say Frank overachieved.
Brighton was the job he should have taken. I'm glad he stayed however he must have known deep down that relegation would be the likely scenario given the huge jump in two seasons. |
Mbuemo, Wisa and Collins all look likely to leave this summer. That's the best part of their spine of the squad going, and whilst they will receive half decent money for them, their recruitment will need to be spot on in terms of replacing them. | |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 12:49 - Jun 10 with 1426 views | NthQldITFC |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:37 - Jun 10 by itfc48 |
It's essentially a Head Coach role rather than a manager role so either McKenna or Brentford would have to compromise.
If Mbuemo goes, whoever goes there next is going to have a big job raising their stock—if you keep selling your best player, eventually you'll become unstuck, and I'd say Frank overachieved.
Brighton was the job he should have taken. I'm glad he stayed however he must have known deep down that relegation would be the likely scenario given the huge jump in two seasons. |
Could you first paragraph be more significant than it has been considered so far? Pretty sure KMc was insistent upon being 'manager' here and don't see why that would have changed. If Brentford or A.N.Other are set on 'head coach', that could be heavily in our favour.
(Why am I letting myself get drawn into this?) |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 12:54 - Jun 10 with 1376 views | NedPlimpton |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:46 - Jun 10 by Kieran_Knows |
Mbuemo, Wisa and Collins all look likely to leave this summer. That's the best part of their spine of the squad going, and whilst they will receive half decent money for them, their recruitment will need to be spot on in terms of replacing them. |
I think we do clubs like Brentford/Brighton etc a disservice by suggesting that they won't recover from losing some of their best players. In fact this time last season people were suggesting McKenna would be stupid to take the Brighton job as there was nowhere he could go with them and they'd hit their ceiling
Brighton have lost MacAllister, Trossard, Caicedo, Cucarella, Bissouma, Gross, Sanchez etc over the last couple of seasons and just finished 8th!
It's not that unreasonable to think Brentford will bounce back from losing their better players too. They've certainly got the money to build back better |  | | |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 12:55 - Jun 10 with 1361 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:34 - Jun 10 by _clive_baker_ |
That is a problem with Rohl, apparently the cost of getting him out of Wednesday is ridiculous by Championship standards. |
But we'll be receiving a big pay-out for McKenna (if he moved - I still don't think he will, and don't know why I'm allowing myself to be drawn into the conversation  ), which would probably outstrip any compensation we'd need to pay out
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| If McKenna goes.... on 12:57 - Jun 10 with 1339 views | Vic |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:57 - Jun 10 by portmanking |
He's had a hand in every new infrastructure project here. He's helped design and build the new training ground. (Most) of the players in the squad are here to work/learn with him. The club has been built around him. Brentford would be a very different remit. Their budget/salary structure is one of the lowest in the PL too. They are smart operators but there's a reason why Frank is moving on.
I dunno. I just feel like Kieran strikes me as a guy that likes the idea of building something rather than leaving with a job half-finished. |
I'd like to think you're right - but by all accounts he was very, very close to leaving for Brighton and then Palace. I think that he'll go if he feels the deal is right.
As much as we love him it's unlikely to be the end of the world if he goes. other clubs like palace, Fulham, Brighton, etc, etc, have lost managers they loved but have gone on to bigger and better things. The world doesn';t stop at KM! |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 12:57 - Jun 10 with 1339 views | itfcjoe |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:35 - Jun 10 by portmanking |
The bigger problem is that he wants to move back to manage in Germany. |
He just wants out of Sheffield Wednesday, he'd walk over broken glass to get a job like ours! | |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 12:59 - Jun 10 with 1316 views | textbackup |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:57 - Jun 10 by itfcjoe |
He just wants out of Sheffield Wednesday, he'd walk over broken glass to get a job like ours! |
I know nothing of his contract, but did he agree to the £5m release clause? |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 13:00 - Jun 10 with 1312 views | portmanking |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:54 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
I think we do clubs like Brentford/Brighton etc a disservice by suggesting that they won't recover from losing some of their best players. In fact this time last season people were suggesting McKenna would be stupid to take the Brighton job as there was nowhere he could go with them and they'd hit their ceiling
Brighton have lost MacAllister, Trossard, Caicedo, Cucarella, Bissouma, Gross, Sanchez etc over the last couple of seasons and just finished 8th!
It's not that unreasonable to think Brentford will bounce back from losing their better players too. They've certainly got the money to build back better |
I think there's quite a difference between Brighton and Brentford, personally. Brighton are definitely a bigger club, with deeper pockets. Their wage bill is circa 50% bigger than Brentford's.
In fact, some reports have said Brentford's wage bill was only narrowly bigger than ours this season. | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 13:02 - Jun 10 with 1295 views | NedPlimpton |
| If McKenna goes.... on 13:00 - Jun 10 by portmanking |
I think there's quite a difference between Brighton and Brentford, personally. Brighton are definitely a bigger club, with deeper pockets. Their wage bill is circa 50% bigger than Brentford's.
In fact, some reports have said Brentford's wage bill was only narrowly bigger than ours this season. |
Yeah, I'd agree Brighton are the bigger club. I guess Brentford's wage bill is only going to start going up though especially as they replace the likes of Mbeumo | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 13:02 - Jun 10 with 1281 views | Vic |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:57 - Jun 10 by itfcjoe |
He just wants out of Sheffield Wednesday, he'd walk over broken glass to get a job like ours! |
Then let's go get him!
The thing that stops me getting to het up about the possibility of KM leaving is that you can be as sure as anything that the club hierarchy will have been doing their research for scenario and will have a plan. And we are now a very decent proposition for someone to come to - we'll be OK. | |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 13:05 - Jun 10 with 1249 views | Jrm_72 |
Not strictly to the point of the many, many threads on this, but isn't it just really refreshing to for once be looking at people with a pulse for our next manager?
First time in my lifetime we aren't:
- Looking at someone to step up from the lower leagues (Hurst, Cook to an extent, Burley)
- Looking at an older manager hoping for one last cuppa coffee in the big time (McCarthy, Royle)
- Looking at an utter lunatic with a reputation (Lambert, Keane)
- Looking at total shots in the dark (Magilton, McKenna)
We've come a long way baby | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 13:10 - Jun 10 with 1184 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:27 - Jun 10 by SitfcB |
Without being biased I think it would be a strange move. It’s looking like they’re going to lose their three best players as well as their manager and coaching staff - can see that causing them to drop a bit and be in a relegation battle next season. |
They have a good squad though. Mbeumo is obviously a big loss and replacing his goal contributions is a tough ask, but I still think they'll be clear of a relegation battle (partly because the 3 coming up won't lay a dent either).
If they retain Wissa and Schade, they've still got goals in the team, and could even go 2 up top with a diamond midfield or a back 3, but they just need to replace Mbeumo with one or two players who can contribute some goal contributions. |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 13:14 - Jun 10 with 1146 views | Illinoisblue |
Rosenior or Rohl for me. Rob Edwards has a varied and decent CV but seems a bit smarmy. |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 13:14 - Jun 10 with 1134 views | Herbivore |
| If McKenna goes.... on 13:10 - Jun 10 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
They have a good squad though. Mbeumo is obviously a big loss and replacing his goal contributions is a tough ask, but I still think they'll be clear of a relegation battle (partly because the 3 coming up won't lay a dent either).
If they retain Wissa and Schade, they've still got goals in the team, and could even go 2 up top with a diamond midfield or a back 3, but they just need to replace Mbeumo with one or two players who can contribute some goal contributions. |
Everyone thought they'd be toast without Toney, and while they struggled when he was suspended, that was also largely down to a fairly horrendous injury list impacting them. They've not really missed him at all this season. If they lose Mbuemo, I'd expect them to be absolutely fine. The issue might be if they lose Mbuemo, Wissa, and another of their best players, that's a bit trickier to recover from. They don't have the strength in depth of even a Brighton let alone the big 6, so losing three of their best players in one window, as well as their coaching team, will be a bit of a mountain to overcome. |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 13:15 - Jun 10 with 1132 views | Kieran_Knows |
| If McKenna goes.... on 13:14 - Jun 10 by Illinoisblue |
Rosenior or Rohl for me. Rob Edwards has a varied and decent CV but seems a bit smarmy. |
Afternoon Frimmers. | |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 13:17 - Jun 10 with 1092 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:54 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
I think we do clubs like Brentford/Brighton etc a disservice by suggesting that they won't recover from losing some of their best players. In fact this time last season people were suggesting McKenna would be stupid to take the Brighton job as there was nowhere he could go with them and they'd hit their ceiling
Brighton have lost MacAllister, Trossard, Caicedo, Cucarella, Bissouma, Gross, Sanchez etc over the last couple of seasons and just finished 8th!
It's not that unreasonable to think Brentford will bounce back from losing their better players too. They've certainly got the money to build back better |
I'm sure similar was said when Ivan Toney left too, only for Mbeumo, Wissa and Damsgaard to step up this season.
Brighton and Brentford know what they're doing. Their model works and they have the infrastructure and the right people in the right roles to execute the plan. If it's what we are aspiring to become, then it will take time to build the infrastructure, but hopefully we are making the steps to get this in place. | |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 13:22 - Jun 10 with 1061 views | Parky |
Rosenior is the standout on that list, in my opinion and I think he would come here too. I recall him being very complimentary about us previously. His style is very similar to McKenna, and I’m sure he could bring us some French gems from his time at Strasbourg. | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 13:26 - Jun 10 with 1030 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| If McKenna goes.... on 13:14 - Jun 10 by Herbivore |
Everyone thought they'd be toast without Toney, and while they struggled when he was suspended, that was also largely down to a fairly horrendous injury list impacting them. They've not really missed him at all this season. If they lose Mbuemo, I'd expect them to be absolutely fine. The issue might be if they lose Mbuemo, Wissa, and another of their best players, that's a bit trickier to recover from. They don't have the strength in depth of even a Brighton let alone the big 6, so losing three of their best players in one window, as well as their coaching team, will be a bit of a mountain to overcome. |
I agree. Losing both Mbeumo and Wissa would be a massive blow that really does prop them down the table for me. Wissa is a handy player who can stretch defences and after his goal return last season, might have put himself in a decent position in the shop window.
You'd think Brentford will offer him a new bumper contract this summer though to hold on to him. | |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 14:11 - Jun 10 with 884 views | hype313 |
| If McKenna goes.... on 13:26 - Jun 10 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
I agree. Losing both Mbeumo and Wissa would be a massive blow that really does prop them down the table for me. Wissa is a handy player who can stretch defences and after his goal return last season, might have put himself in a decent position in the shop window.
You'd think Brentford will offer him a new bumper contract this summer though to hold on to him. |
From what I've read, given his age at 29, the fans seem to think the club would be willing to listen to offers, he'd command a decent fee and would go a long way in recruiting younger players. |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 14:47 - Jun 10 with 788 views | yorkshireblue |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:59 - Jun 10 by textbackup |
I know nothing of his contract, but did he agree to the £5m release clause? |
May be irrelevant if he's not been paid like the rest of the staff. |  | | |
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