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How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 13:59 - Jul 11 by NthQldITFC
We're one of a handful of countries not to have an ID card. Are all the rest fascist police states? Interestingly the US doesn't have one.
Also, the Police can barely solve 90% of car thefts, burgled? just claim on insurance, so the notion that we'll walk down the street to get asked for ID is laughable.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 14:40 - Jul 11 by hype313
Also, the Police can barely solve 90% of car thefts, burgled? just claim on insurance, so the notion that we'll walk down the street to get asked for ID is laughable.
The police don’t solve the vast vast majority of crimes full stop. They’re useless.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 14:29 - Jul 11 by chicoazul
Then whats the point in having an ID card? If it’s not going to be subject to checks?
Exactly, thin end of the wedge. You just know that further down the line controls will be tightened. First it's optional, then compulsory, then must be carried at all times, then must be shown. At the moment I'm under no obligation to speak to police or answer any questions, nor give my name or details. I have no faith that would remain the same.
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How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:04 - Jul 11 with 473 views
What does it achieve ? I have an N.I. number, a passport and a driving licence. A permanent address and proof of paying the bills from that property, council tax etc, etc. These identity cards will be faked just as many other things are. What are they trying to achieve ? Only people that are happy to be recognised will carry them and if they don't what will happen to them. A fine ? well if you have no money how can you pay it. Prison ? well there isn't enough room now.
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How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:09 - Jul 11 with 465 views
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 14:39 - Jul 11 by WeWereZombies
But it will make you feel safer...
I live in Germany prior to brexit I did not need an I'd card under the freedom of movement then afterwards I had to get a ID card as everyone has to have one , never been stopped and asked to show it, great for parcel collection proving identity to banks etc renewable every 10 years same as my German wife's has my photo on it and my address and under what circumstance I am a permanent resident of Germany the only real difference is mine shows my nationality The card is absolutely useful in proving age address right of residence etc
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How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:11 - Jul 11 with 459 views
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:04 - Jul 11 by OldFart71
What does it achieve ? I have an N.I. number, a passport and a driving licence. A permanent address and proof of paying the bills from that property, council tax etc, etc. These identity cards will be faked just as many other things are. What are they trying to achieve ? Only people that are happy to be recognised will carry them and if they don't what will happen to them. A fine ? well if you have no money how can you pay it. Prison ? well there isn't enough room now.
In theory, you wouldn’t need all of those other separate things. So it’s simpler, easier and cheaper. In theory.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 14:29 - Jul 11 by chicoazul
Then whats the point in having an ID card? If it’s not going to be subject to checks?
Because we have loads of different sources of ID now and this would bring it all into one place. Need to prove your age in a pub - ID card. Need to vote - ID card. Need proof of address at the bank - ID card. Etc.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 11:56 - Jul 11 by MattinLondon
China is a totalitarian state - using China as an example is extreme to say the least.
The point surely is to avoid ending up like China? Which I think is what's lying behind the concern of some who aren't fully on board with the idea.
It's been noted many times on this forum that the general political trend in the UK is towards greater authoritarianism; and if, as is often said, we're historically never far behind the USA, god/no god help us ...
Personally I think I would on balance be in favour - having to jump through hoops & pay £90 to get a new passport, not for travel but *purely for ID purposes* in order to renew my driving licence because both a new photo and age-related re-issue were required, is beyond ridiculous. Not to mention having to spend over 8 hours going through the dreadful, not fit-for-purpose Credas app when I needed to verify ID for a legal transaction recently. An ID card would literally have saved about 2 working weeks of my time.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:15 - Jul 11 by Swansea_Blue
Because we have loads of different sources of ID now and this would bring it all into one place. Need to prove your age in a pub - ID card. Need to vote - ID card. Need proof of address at the bank - ID card. Etc.
Do you really think the government would bring in an ID card scheme to make things easier for citizens? This is an incredible leap of faith. I didn’t need to produce ID to vote and then the stupid government decided voter fraud, a thing so tiny and insignificant it may as well be said not to happen at all, meant we needed to produce Papers Please to enfranchise ourselves and participate in OUR democracy that WE own.
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ID cards will be followed with changes in law to allow the police (and possibly immigration officers) powers to stop people and check.
Whilst most would am sure be honest and unbiased in how they use those powers, some will abuse them and we all know the type of people who will be disproportionately subject to those checks.
No, we have more than enough examples of aggressive policing of minorities as it is, without giving police additional powers to stop and check people without a reason - which is were this is leading.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:15 - Jul 11 by Swansea_Blue
Because we have loads of different sources of ID now and this would bring it all into one place. Need to prove your age in a pub - ID card. Need to vote - ID card. Need proof of address at the bank - ID card. Etc.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:30 - Jul 11 by chicoazul
Do you really think the government would bring in an ID card scheme to make things easier for citizens? This is an incredible leap of faith. I didn’t need to produce ID to vote and then the stupid government decided voter fraud, a thing so tiny and insignificant it may as well be said not to happen at all, meant we needed to produce Papers Please to enfranchise ourselves and participate in OUR democracy that WE own.
Nevertheless it *would* make things easier for citizens - see my post above re having to get a new pssport purely to verify ID for a legal transaction; and 10 year + 3 year renew a photo DL.
Having one card that stays with you through life would sort it. Though I take Zombers' point about nefarious governments being able to locate legitimate dissenters.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:30 - Jul 11 by chicoazul
Do you really think the government would bring in an ID card scheme to make things easier for citizens? This is an incredible leap of faith. I didn’t need to produce ID to vote and then the stupid government decided voter fraud, a thing so tiny and insignificant it may as well be said not to happen at all, meant we needed to produce Papers Please to enfranchise ourselves and participate in OUR democracy that WE own.
That proves my point. They don’t need to introduce a new form of ID to restrict our freedoms. We’re already required to register our details and show ID for loads of things. If they wanted to start doing stop and searches of everyone on the streets they could do it now. They don’t need an ID card for that any more than they needed to introduce ID cards before saying we needed ID to vote. We all have ID and shedloads of data is held on us. How it’s used and abused is far more important than what sort of card it’s held on imo.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:42 - Jul 11 by bluelagos
I find my driving license does all of those now.
You'll find when you hit 70 that it doesn't, as you have to send it away every 3 years for renewal & it then takes the DVLA a minimum of 3-4 weeks to send you the new one.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:44 - Jul 11 by Swansea_Blue
That proves my point. They don’t need to introduce a new form of ID to restrict our freedoms. We’re already required to register our details and show ID for loads of things. If they wanted to start doing stop and searches of everyone on the streets they could do it now. They don’t need an ID card for that any more than they needed to introduce ID cards before saying we needed ID to vote. We all have ID and shedloads of data is held on us. How it’s used and abused is far more important than what sort of card it’s held on imo.
So why do we need an ID card? If we already have other forms of ID? This is a circular argument that comes down to whether you are fundamentally someone who believes in the good faith of the government, their ability to manage IT projects, and whether it’s good that you would need to produce ID on demand to the police for eg. Currently you don’t. TWTD loves authoritarianism.
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How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:11 - Jul 11 by Swansea_Blue
In theory, you wouldn’t need all of those other separate things. So it’s simpler, easier and cheaper. In theory.
How would that work ? Are you telling me that an I.D, card from the UK would be accepted in all countries including the US where you would still need an ESTA anyway. Currently a driving licence has to be issued every three years after a person becomes 70 years of age, so an I.D. every ten years wouldn't work and currently the drivers licence at 70 and above is free, you just have to make a declaration. So unless they are paying a 70 year old to have a car licence it won't be cheaper. Banks and the like would still require proof of earnings for mortgages etc and unless you are having that info on a card, which I suggest is dangerous, you will still need proof of earnings via a bank statement etc.
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How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 16:07 - Jul 11 with 381 views
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:42 - Jul 11 by bluelagos
I find my driving license does all of those now.
Not sure everyone would be required to have whatever ID documentation was used.
Everyone should have at least one form of government issued ID. I already have three, passport, driving licence and OAP bus pass. Having a 4th would be overkill.
Elsewhere someone mentioned being tracked by your phone, From my experience it is unreliable. Two years ago I was in Greenland but my phone insisted I was in the extreme north of Norway.
There are also daily occurrences where aircraft tracking apps show a false location as a result of blocking/ interference by unfriendly nations.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:54 - Jul 11 by chicoazul
So why do we need an ID card? If we already have other forms of ID? This is a circular argument that comes down to whether you are fundamentally someone who believes in the good faith of the government, their ability to manage IT projects, and whether it’s good that you would need to produce ID on demand to the police for eg. Currently you don’t. TWTD loves authoritarianism.
A government’s tendency towards authoritarianism doesn’t depend on the form of ID. As I’ve already said, any government can lead us towards or away from authoritarianism irrespective of whether we have an ID card. If you think having an ID card would automatically make the government more authoritarian, that’s fine and your view. Many countries have ID card and aren’t going down that route, so it’s not an automatic correlation. It’s got nothing to do with ‘loving’ authoritarianism .
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 16:05 - Jul 11 by OldFart71
How would that work ? Are you telling me that an I.D, card from the UK would be accepted in all countries including the US where you would still need an ESTA anyway. Currently a driving licence has to be issued every three years after a person becomes 70 years of age, so an I.D. every ten years wouldn't work and currently the drivers licence at 70 and above is free, you just have to make a declaration. So unless they are paying a 70 year old to have a car licence it won't be cheaper. Banks and the like would still require proof of earnings for mortgages etc and unless you are having that info on a card, which I suggest is dangerous, you will still need proof of earnings via a bank statement etc.
It would depend how it was designed and what existing forms of ID it replaced. A lot of EU countries have them and can use them for international travel around the EU and affiliated countries, ID for banking and other needs for ID, etc. I don’t think they use them for their driving licenses.
We actually have a national ID card scheme already, but nobody’s mentioned it yet.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 08:09 - Jul 11 by NthQldITFC
Macron's got it right hasn't he? It's just too easy and tempting to work illegally here, and lack of an easy to check identity system makes it impossible for law enforcement to even consider following anything up, doesn't it?
Not sure if this issue would follow traditional left/right political allegiances. What say you?
If you've got nothing to hide, why not?
If it improves efficiency in so many ways, doesn't it effectively put money in everybody's pocket (if you want to look at it like that)?
Doesn't it promote honesty and openness in society?
Why do some people find it offensive on ideological grounds?
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"If you've got nothing to hide, why not?" I mean it's not as if there's any chance of a fully fledged right wing authoritarian state happening ever is it! Or maybe some deranged faux left government declaring activists terrorists.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 15:47 - Jul 11 by Ryorry
You'll find when you hit 70 that it doesn't, as you have to send it away every 3 years for renewal & it then takes the DVLA a minimum of 3-4 weeks to send you the new one.
Renew online, had to for the first time earlier this year and found it very quick and easy. Well done DVLA...believe it or not.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 16:58 - Jul 11 by WeWereZombies
Renew online, had to for the first time earlier this year and found it very quick and easy. Well done DVLA...believe it or not.
You *cannot* do that when a new 10-year reissue with new photo is also required, nor can you do it at a local PO. The *only* option for this is to send a hard copy of form D1 and your current DLvia snail-mail to the DVLA, confirmed by 2 of their agents in Swansea, as I posted a couple of weeks ago. They got the documents from me 15 days ago via 24hr tracked RM, and I’m still waiting for my new DL to arrive.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 16:48 - Jul 11 by BanksterDebtSlave
"If you've got nothing to hide, why not?" I mean it's not as if there's any chance of a fully fledged right wing authoritarian state happening ever is it! Or maybe some deranged faux left government declaring activists terrorists.
Relax, none of that could happen unless we had a national identity card . Although we do have one and some of those things have happened, so maybe that’s proof after all. The plot thickens.
Funny how people get so fixated over this. The French and other nations that have them would be laughing their les nichons off at us.
Have one or not, it doesn’t really matter. All the things people fear could happen in some ways already does (black people have faced routine stop and search in some places, we can be tracked from our phones and cars, watched by CCTV, have our shopping habits monitored and data sold because ‘bargains’, have our protest rights watered down, etc). You don’t need another bit of plastic pretty much identical to a drivers license, and holding no more information than is already held on us, to become any more monitored or traceable.
There’s a huge issue with data privacy, security and selling of data. You only have to look at what Trump/Musk and the tech bros were (still are?) trying to do in the US. A rogue state can exploit that data and if they decide to do so, whether an ID card is in the mix or not (like in the US), it’ll make no difference. How data is collected, stored and used is the story - a national ID card is subtext.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 12:05 - Jul 11 by WeWereZombies
Are you unaware of Orban in Hungary, of the National Rally having around one third of the vote in France, of Poland's so called Law and Justice party and, especially, Meloni being President of Italy ? There are other examples from the Slovak Republic to Moldova, in the Iberian Peninsula and those oh so tolerant Netherlanders.
However, identity cards in Europe predate the rise of that most unpopular movement, populism, and largely started around the Second World War. Strange that once the war ended the United Kingdom gave up on the idea but once occupied continental Europe carried it on. The Schengen Agreement strengthened their use but, unless there is a massive leap from Labour into a more complete European Economic Area, the United Kingdom has no such need. Far better to spend any available funds on improving National Insurance compliance and driver registration in my view.
My Reform remark wasn't really a correlation, more of a back handed snipe at what I see as the docile way people just respond to half arsed initiatives as if they will solve anything much. Please feel free to down vote me, I'm hoping to be at least in double figures by the time I come back from lunch.
Is that not an odd attempt to challenge my assertion that the continent isn't dominated by Reform-like parties? I am aware of those you list but they don't amount to domination of course, or indeed something close to it.
I don't agree with your characterisation or dismissal of the support for ID cards but respect that your views are strongly felt.
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. Although we do have one and some of those things have happened, so maybe that’s proof after all. The plot thickens.