| Huge position of strength on Omari ... 09:46 - Jul 16 with 2209 views | Bellevue_Blue |
Now that the clause has expired it's time for Ashton to dig in and get that price up!
Feels like we can get this certainly upwards of 40/45M, especially with them expecting a windfall.
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| On the other hand ... on 09:58 - Jul 16 with 1897 views | Guthrum |
... there is no longer a minimum threshold. If clubs come in with lower offers and Hutchinson is really determined to go (back to the Prem), we may lose out.
Not saying this is a likely scenario, but the risk is there. Must be borne in mind before people become too excited. |  |
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| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:03 - Jul 16 with 1806 views | WD19 |
Why is everyone so certain that nobody lodged a bid in writing before the deadline? I would almost be astounded if somebody didn’t.
Brentford could easily have lodged the bid just for the hell of it. If they ultimately don’t want to go through with it then it would be easy to scupper it later.
EDIT: OK, maybe I should have read the rest of the board first….. [Post edited 16 Jul 10:06]
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| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:03 - Jul 16 with 1805 views | davblue |
would be hugely surprised if we got 40-45 million.
The way Brentford operate, they will have other options at cheaper rates aswell. 35 million, feels like top end money for Omari at this point in time. |  | | |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:17 - Jul 16 with 1672 views | southnorfolkblue |
SSN have just reported that Omari is keen on the move and was disappointed that the deal was not done yesterday. Think our negotiating position is weakened to some extent if the player wants away.
I think the deal will end up around the 35mill mark with improved payment terms and better add ons | |
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| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:37 - Jul 16 with 1552 views | berkstractorboy |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:17 - Jul 16 by southnorfolkblue |
SSN have just reported that Omari is keen on the move and was disappointed that the deal was not done yesterday. Think our negotiating position is weakened to some extent if the player wants away.
I think the deal will end up around the 35mill mark with improved payment terms and better add ons |
Sky sports say a lot of things and not all of it is right. Where are they hearing he is keen on the move? Have we heard that from Ipswich end/sources at all?
Brentford will be different this year, have to assume Mbeumo is gone if they are bidding and if Wissa goes to its a very different team and will Andrews and his new coaches be able to develop Omari like KMc can. He needs to think very carefully about this one I think. | | | |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:40 - Jul 16 with 1521 views | norfsufblue |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:17 - Jul 16 by southnorfolkblue |
SSN have just reported that Omari is keen on the move and was disappointed that the deal was not done yesterday. Think our negotiating position is weakened to some extent if the player wants away.
I think the deal will end up around the 35mill mark with improved payment terms and better add ons |
Even if he might be keen.... he still signed a contract that has 4 years to ru so we should be in no hurry to be mugged off! |  | | |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:43 - Jul 16 with 1488 views | Mookamoo |
We will be in a better position if another club wants him. At the moment, we have one club interested and if reports are correct, a player wanting to leave. I would imagine we'll play it difficult for a week in the hope something else shifts.
Best bet would be Eze going to Bayern and Palace coming in for Hutchinson. They'll want a PL ready replacement |  | | |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:46 - Jul 16 with 1470 views | Smoresy |
I'm less confident of keeping him now than I was last night. 😬 | | | |
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| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:48 - Jul 16 with 1441 views | blueasfook |
I'm gonna bet he goes for less than the release clause. If Brentford come in with a straight £30M bid, no dribs and drabs payments, just cash up front, then I reckon we'd take it. |  |
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| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:53 - Jul 16 with 1350 views | Chris_ITFC |
“Huge” and “strength” is definitely overplaying it.
We’re still a Championship club with a player Premier League clubs want. It’s not quite candy/baby, but it’s not a great position to be in. |  |
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| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:53 - Jul 16 with 1354 views | Parky |
I imagine we’ll accept a bid slightly higher than the £35M, but it’ll be paid across instalments. (I think the relegation clause had to be paid in full). | | | |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:56 - Jul 16 with 1310 views | suffolkpoker |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:53 - Jul 16 by Parky |
I imagine we’ll accept a bid slightly higher than the £35M, but it’ll be paid across instalments. (I think the relegation clause had to be paid in full). |
nobody knows the terms of the clause. Look at Delaps that was paid over a number of years.
Anybody thinking Omari will go for less now the clause has expired needs there head wobbled... |  |
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| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:59 - Jul 16 with 1286 views | JohnTy |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:40 - Jul 16 by norfsufblue |
Even if he might be keen.... he still signed a contract that has 4 years to ru so we should be in no hurry to be mugged off! |
Brentford have been playing "hard ball" with Man Utd over Mbeumo for several weeks, and he has made it fairly clear that he wants to go to Old Trafford. Ultimately they will have to accept it.
It looks to me that Ashton is also playing hard ball, and Brentford will have to up their offer, or at least the terms oi the offer. As well as reporting that Hutchison is keen on a move, SSN also reported that 'Ipswich have no intention of selling him despite their relegation to the Championship." [Post edited 16 Jul 11:00]
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| On the other hand ... on 11:05 - Jul 16 with 1193 views | hunty21 |
| On the other hand ... on 09:58 - Jul 16 by Guthrum |
... there is no longer a minimum threshold. If clubs come in with lower offers and Hutchinson is really determined to go (back to the Prem), we may lose out.
Not saying this is a likely scenario, but the risk is there. Must be borne in mind before people become too excited. |
He will understand that he can leave if the price is right unless he's unhappy which i don't think he is then the clause expiring is good for us as we are in charge | | | |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 11:07 - Jul 16 with 1165 views | JKilroy33525 |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:48 - Jul 16 by blueasfook |
I'm gonna bet he goes for less than the release clause. If Brentford come in with a straight £30M bid, no dribs and drabs payments, just cash up front, then I reckon we'd take it. |
Brentford clearly rate Omari at around £35m but aren’t keen on paying it all upfront. We’ve turned down that offer in instalments, which is fair enough. But with a bit of negotiation, I reckon we could agree on something closer to £40m paid over time. That way, we get a fee that’s hard to turn down, and they still get their man for just a bit more than they hoped spread out over a few years. Seems like a deal that could work for everyone. | | | |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 11:09 - Jul 16 with 1127 views | tractordownsouth |
No chance we get that money. It'll probably be £35m (or slightly more) with a payment structure that's more favourable than the initial offer. |  |
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| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 11:10 - Jul 16 with 1121 views | PhilTWTD |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:53 - Jul 16 by Parky |
I imagine we’ll accept a bid slightly higher than the £35M, but it’ll be paid across instalments. (I think the relegation clause had to be paid in full). |
Think that will probably be the case but most up front. The issue with the offer yesterday was that it was in instalments over a number of years. As per the Delap deal, will probably be two-thirds up front, then rest over time. |  | | |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 11:11 - Jul 16 with 1096 views | Guthrum |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:48 - Jul 16 by blueasfook |
I'm gonna bet he goes for less than the release clause. If Brentford come in with a straight £30M bid, no dribs and drabs payments, just cash up front, then I reckon we'd take it. |
The other thing is we might trade some of the headline fee for top-ups and a bigger sell-on clause (maybe even with our own trigger, to ensure there will be a profit). | |
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| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 11:15 - Jul 16 with 1030 views | Parky |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:56 - Jul 16 by suffolkpoker |
nobody knows the terms of the clause. Look at Delaps that was paid over a number of years.
Anybody thinking Omari will go for less now the clause has expired needs there head wobbled... |
Of course nobody really knows for sure, but release clauses usually have to be paid in full. Arsenal recently paid more than the release clause for Zubimendi so they could structure the payments. :- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14880305/Arsenal-61m-Martin-Z
My guess is something similar happens with Omari. Brentford will pay over £35M, but it’ll be paid across 4 years.
Assume your last paragraph isn’t aimed at me, as I haven’t suggested that in the slightest. | | | |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 11:18 - Jul 16 with 1009 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Now 95% convinced Omari will go - but good to see Town playing hardball and getting the very best for the club.
£35m 'feels' like close to the ceiling of what Hutch is currently realistically worth. If we end up getting 40-45m Ashton will have performed miracles.
£35m with 2/3 upfront and a nice sell on percentage would do very nicely thankyou as dissapointing as it would be to see him go. | | | |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 11:22 - Jul 16 with 953 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:40 - Jul 16 by norfsufblue |
Even if he might be keen.... he still signed a contract that has 4 years to ru so we should be in no hurry to be mugged off! |
In theory you’re right.
In practice I fear you’re not.
Keeping a player who doesn’t want to be here is problematic not least if you want to recruit similar aspiring youngsters in the future | |
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| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 13:08 - Jul 16 with 672 views | FrankfurtBlue |
There's an awful lot of conjecture in many of these posts....and negativism. If you haven't already learnt, as a club, we are managed professionally compared to the Evans era ballsup.
Regardless of whether Omari or his agent want out or not, we don't want or need to sell. He signed a long contract.
£35m was supposedly the release clause, which Brentford were prepared to meet. However, we can now name our price and negotiate from a position of strength. If Brentford sell Mbeumo for £55m+, and see Omari as the immediate replacement, we should be looking to push them for as much of that fee as we can. |  | | |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 13:27 - Jul 16 with 590 views | bringbacktheglory |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 10:53 - Jul 16 by Chris_ITFC |
“Huge” and “strength” is definitely overplaying it.
We’re still a Championship club with a player Premier League clubs want. It’s not quite candy/baby, but it’s not a great position to be in. |
Absolutely, it’s naive to think we have more to offer than Brentford. Yes, they may appear to be on a downward spiral but nobody knows this and with the right recruitment, who knows what they are capable of.
The only thing we offer is almost guaranteed 80+ mins every week, but otherwise we cannot offer the money they will, the quality of opposition, and testing himself at the highest level. A decent season in the Premier League, from a players point of view, probably looks better to bigger clubs than an excellent season in the Championship considering the jump in quality. That’s where his mindset will be, as he appears a very driven and talented young man.
As we know, the best players in the championship does not always equate to premier league ready. | | | |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 13:45 - Jul 16 with 448 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 13:27 - Jul 16 by bringbacktheglory |
Absolutely, it’s naive to think we have more to offer than Brentford. Yes, they may appear to be on a downward spiral but nobody knows this and with the right recruitment, who knows what they are capable of.
The only thing we offer is almost guaranteed 80+ mins every week, but otherwise we cannot offer the money they will, the quality of opposition, and testing himself at the highest level. A decent season in the Premier League, from a players point of view, probably looks better to bigger clubs than an excellent season in the Championship considering the jump in quality. That’s where his mindset will be, as he appears a very driven and talented young man.
As we know, the best players in the championship does not always equate to premier league ready. |
Who said anything about having more to offer than Brentford?? I do think it's a huge position of strength and it's nothing to do with playing Football.
We have a player of interest to a Premier League side (and apparently others) and not only does that player have 4 more years to run on a lucrative contract but the club now has total control of the entire negotiation.
That to me is a huge position of strength that we didn't have with Delap and didn't have with Omari until today.
Hopefully the club can get a few others involved and get a really great deal for the club. | | | |
| Huge position of strength on Omari ... on 16:14 - Jul 16 with 221 views | CastroSito |
I think we accept £35m, but on better payment terms. | | | |
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