| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? 13:47 - Jul 29 with 2680 views | blueasfook |
If you can trace your DNA back to one of the original tribes below then you can say you are of indigenous descent...
01: Caledones
02: Taexali
03: Carvetii
04: Venicones
05: Epidii
06: Damnonii
07: Novantae
08: Selgovae
09: Votadini
10: Brigantes
11: Parisi
12: Cornovii
13: Deceangli
14: Ordovices
15: Corieltauvi
16: Iceni
17: Demetae
18: Catuvellauni
19: Silures
20: Dubunni
21: Dumnonii
22: Durotriges
23: Belgae
24: Atrebates
25: Regni
26: Cantiaci
27: Trinovantes
These are the tribes that existed prior to the Roman invasion in 55 BCE which you could say was the first colonisation of Britain.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/british_prehistory/iron_01.shtml
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:19 - Jul 29 with 661 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:19 - Jul 29 with 656 views | DanTheMan |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:09 - Jul 29 by djgooder |
According to Wikipedia you should be a Norwich fan? |
That's one quarter of my family tree.
I have another that is almost entirely Suffolk, one quarter that seems to have been mostly Gwynedd based and one more that was Hampshire + Belgian strangely. Can't trace the Belgian bit as I've only got a last name to go off and I'd have to trace it via Brazil, which makes things a little tricky. |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:28 - Jul 29 with 626 views | leitrimblue |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:19 - Jul 29 by ArnoldMoorhen |
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Think the wife painted that. Slightly remember her telling me to relax |  | | |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 16:00 - Jul 29 with 575 views | Coastalblue |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:28 - Jul 29 by leitrimblue |
Think the wife painted that. Slightly remember her telling me to relax |
Back in your clubbing days? |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 16:08 - Jul 29 with 551 views | NthQldITFC |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:19 - Jul 29 by ArnoldMoorhen |
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...and your line have been defacing toilet cubicle walls ever since? |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 16:13 - Jul 29 with 544 views | Herbivore |
Isn't it just people who own a van or pickup? |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 17:02 - Jul 29 with 492 views | Churchman |
So who rocked up to these islands first then? Don’t Celts (mainly Welsh - long arms, short legs, dark hair, can’t sing a note, invented nothing but the coracle) originate from the Iberian peninsular and North Africa?
As suggested in the other thread, my surname and the mush who owned it rocked up at the time of the Conqueror (let’s hear it for William the B’stard! Top man!), but most of the rest (bar a smidgeon of Welsh) are almost certainly Anglo Saxons (Angles, Saxons, Jutes) that tootled in around the 5th/ 6th century curtesy of Ye Olde Longboat tours. Bit of pillage, plunder, bury a boat at Sutton Hoo and have a curry and a drink in Woodbridge before heading off to Bury St Edmunds and a bit of honest starvation in Norfolk.
Sorted.
In other words technically like most people here, I’m as foreign as a frankfurter! I can get back to the 18c on both sides with certainty and the 16th century on one side with a few maybes. My mother’s side (Norfolk) is the most interesting. The bottom of the heap. Dregs and scum aplenty. Thieves, lunatics, Workhouses, poverty, illiteracy, drownings, suicides. All interesting stuff. My dad’s side is much less colourful, sadly.
Must do that DNA test.
Edit: interesting short description of county name origins attached:
https://historylearning.com/place-names/county-names-history/ [Post edited 29 Jul 17:14]
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 18:18 - Jul 29 with 428 views | Bluesky |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:19 - Jul 29 by DanTheMan |
That's one quarter of my family tree.
I have another that is almost entirely Suffolk, one quarter that seems to have been mostly Gwynedd based and one more that was Hampshire + Belgian strangely. Can't trace the Belgian bit as I've only got a last name to go off and I'd have to trace it via Brazil, which makes things a little tricky. |
Oh, at first I thought you were commenting on the chalk man.. |  | | |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 18:26 - Jul 29 with 417 views | Trequartista |
Chantry. |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 19:53 - Jul 29 with 357 views | Pendejo |
Not me.
Surname arrived here from Normandy circa 1066, step-mother paid for a genealogy thingy back in the 80s.
Mother's side is 50% Irish, from Cork City, County Cork though the surname has a strong hint of Spanish, so thinking Armada survivor who stayed on for the craic.
Strangely enough could be more complex than that as the entry that corresponds date / location wise has a completely different surname. Will wait till he's passed on to look into that further. |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 21:11 - Jul 29 with 331 views | DJR |
I have a condition called Dupuytren's disease. It is a hand disorder that gradually causes the fingers on a hand to become permanently locked in a bent position.
It runs in families, and my father had it. It is known as the Viking disease because it is fairly common in Northern Europe, and my dad's mother hailed from the Shetlands.
A recent study found that the key genetic risk factors for Dupuytren's disease are derived from Neanderthals.
https://www.livescience.com/health/genetics/mysterious-viking-disease-linked-to-
Neanderthals died out 40,000 years ago and could be said to be the first "furriners" being a different species to Homo Sapiens.
I think I therefore fall at the first hurdle. [Post edited 29 Jul 21:15]
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 21:18 - Jul 29 with 305 views | tcblue |
My dad was Canadian Romani and my mum was left at an orphanage and is dark skinned, so who the hell knows, but I doubt I'm very Iceni.
Didn't come over on a boat though | | | |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 21:58 - Jul 29 with 262 views | Churchman |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 21:11 - Jul 29 by DJR |
I have a condition called Dupuytren's disease. It is a hand disorder that gradually causes the fingers on a hand to become permanently locked in a bent position.
It runs in families, and my father had it. It is known as the Viking disease because it is fairly common in Northern Europe, and my dad's mother hailed from the Shetlands.
A recent study found that the key genetic risk factors for Dupuytren's disease are derived from Neanderthals.
https://www.livescience.com/health/genetics/mysterious-viking-disease-linked-to-
Neanderthals died out 40,000 years ago and could be said to be the first "furriners" being a different species to Homo Sapiens.
I think I therefore fall at the first hurdle. [Post edited 29 Jul 21:15]
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My mum had that. | | | |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 22:01 - Jul 29 with 262 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 21:58 - Jul 29 by Churchman |
My mum had that. |
It shows what a generally pleasant place TWTD is that you can begin a Reply with:
"My Mum had..."
And not expect anything bad to follow! | | | |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 22:15 - Jul 29 with 243 views | WeWereZombies |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:15 - Jul 29 by leitrimblue |
Having shared genetics with the likes of Cheddar Man or the inhabitants of Star Carr is obviously a good starting point. Problem is the descendants of both of these arrived in the UK on small boats a few hundred years previous to this and were part of the larger Western European Hunter Gatherer Group prior to their arrival on this island.
When you think about it deeper, the next wave of people are the neolithic farmers who arrive roughly 6000 years ago. But they would also share their genetics with the Western European Hunter Gatherer Group who they are directly descended from.
That's before you get anywhere near the controversial subject of the identification of ancient DNA.. |
I've got some blue veins visible in my wrists, does that make me Stilton man ? |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 22:25 - Jul 29 with 229 views | blueasfook |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 21:11 - Jul 29 by DJR |
I have a condition called Dupuytren's disease. It is a hand disorder that gradually causes the fingers on a hand to become permanently locked in a bent position.
It runs in families, and my father had it. It is known as the Viking disease because it is fairly common in Northern Europe, and my dad's mother hailed from the Shetlands.
A recent study found that the key genetic risk factors for Dupuytren's disease are derived from Neanderthals.
https://www.livescience.com/health/genetics/mysterious-viking-disease-linked-to-
Neanderthals died out 40,000 years ago and could be said to be the first "furriners" being a different species to Homo Sapiens.
I think I therefore fall at the first hurdle. [Post edited 29 Jul 21:15]
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I have it too. I've had surgery twice to fix my fingers. BTW, the viking disease label is a bit of a misnomer. Although prevalent in Northern European populations, it can also be found in other parts of the world. It's commonly found in Japan for example and some areas of Africa where it certainly can't be linked to Vikings! [Post edited 29 Jul 22:25]
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 06:50 - Jul 30 with 162 views | Churchman |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 22:25 - Jul 29 by blueasfook |
I have it too. I've had surgery twice to fix my fingers. BTW, the viking disease label is a bit of a misnomer. Although prevalent in Northern European populations, it can also be found in other parts of the world. It's commonly found in Japan for example and some areas of Africa where it certainly can't be linked to Vikings! [Post edited 29 Jul 22:25]
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Oh, I don’t know, they got about a bit. Nice little sail/row, pillage, plunder, meet a few local girls at the feasts and pagan sacrifices, home for tea and medals.
Interesting that the Viking invasions and occupation (Danelaw) of the 9th and 10th centuries left relatively little mark on Britain, bar the odd place name. Mind you, the Normans were as the name suggest northmen, descendants of Vikings, and you could argue that they certainly did leave their mark! | | | |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 07:24 - Jul 30 with 124 views | Benters |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:19 - Jul 29 by ArnoldMoorhen |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 07:29 - Jul 30 with 105 views | Keno |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:51 - Jul 29 by Kropotkin123 |
I heard this is basically fact. The way I interpret this data is I'm 63% indigenous (likely Iceni because my family tree traces back to Suffolk in the 1500s).
Danish is likely from the Viking conquest (or integration as my Viking side likes to call it).
German I assume is from the Anglo-Saxon relocation. Saxons never stay still for long.
Not sure about the Welsh side, but I'll make some rarebit and test it. |
The welsh side possibly relates to the 'original' pre roman britons who 'migrated west in the aftermath of the roman invasion |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 07:29 - Jul 30 with 105 views | Plums |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:35 - Jul 29 by blueasfook |
Iceni were probably the top dogs of the day. They kicked the romans ass at Colchester. |
Iceni at Romans away, what an epic away day that was.
Ran them all over town, the stuff of legends. |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 07:32 - Jul 30 with 95 views | Benters |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:35 - Jul 29 by blueasfook |
Iceni were probably the top dogs of the day. They kicked the romans ass at Colchester. |
Today I am driving past a Roman Circus well what’s left of it.
Just think all those years ago the Romans made Colchester a army town and still the army are near enough in the same place.
Well what’s not been sold for housing …. | |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 08:58 - Jul 30 with 55 views | Churchman |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 07:29 - Jul 30 by Plums |
Iceni at Romans away, what an epic away day that was.
Ran them all over town, the stuff of legends. |
Amazing that Boadicea managed to send the team out to bump off 80k Romans and chums in and around doing the cooking and cleaning. I love a cliche.
The second half didn’t go so well. Romans United brought in Suetonius from the reserve team in the West Country and as manager, the Iceni/Trinivantes got a right good kicking.
She never collected her state pension and a lot of her team that survived finished up in the Arena, slaves or slaves on galleys.
There’s a nice statue of her at the north end of Westminster Bridge. Looks a bit fierce and certainly not as friendly as the South Bank Lion at the other end. | | | |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 09:17 - Jul 30 with 42 views | blueasfook |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 06:50 - Jul 30 by Churchman |
Oh, I don’t know, they got about a bit. Nice little sail/row, pillage, plunder, meet a few local girls at the feasts and pagan sacrifices, home for tea and medals.
Interesting that the Viking invasions and occupation (Danelaw) of the 9th and 10th centuries left relatively little mark on Britain, bar the odd place name. Mind you, the Normans were as the name suggest northmen, descendants of Vikings, and you could argue that they certainly did leave their mark! |
I don't think it's correct to say the Vikings didn't leave a mark. Many remained in the UK, converted to Christianity and settled - adding considerably to the gene pool, adding many words to the language and creating systems of democracy, adding new skills, technology, farming methods, etc. | |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 09:22 - Jul 30 with 25 views | DanTheMan |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 09:17 - Jul 30 by blueasfook |
I don't think it's correct to say the Vikings didn't leave a mark. Many remained in the UK, converted to Christianity and settled - adding considerably to the gene pool, adding many words to the language and creating systems of democracy, adding new skills, technology, farming methods, etc. |
Then we got invaded by the Normans, who were a mix of French and Norse cultures. | |
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