| Why has Broadhead been sold? 18:11 - Aug 14 with 2254 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
I appreciate I'm about two months late to the discussion but I don't really get it. He's a top player. He's been much better for us in his time than Clarke and/or Philogene have so far for example (appreciate they've only played one season in the Prem here).
Did McKenna just not rate something about him? Did he want to leave?
I feel like the same questions can be asked about the sale of Burgess too. Another one where I don't understand why a new three-year deal or however long wasn't being offered.
Sad times. |  |
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| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:43 - Aug 14 with 571 views | Herbivore |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:22 - Aug 14 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Re your first point, I understand it was about not being able to offer guaranteed first-team football as KMc wants O'Shea and Greaves together, but CB could have arguably kept JG out of the side.
Re the second point; 'not very robust physically'. Clarke and Philogene both look like a strong breeze would knock them over. |
But both of them managed to play significantly more minutes than Broadhead did at this level in 2023/24. We had to manage Broadhead's minutes very carefully here and he hardly ever lasted a full 90 minutes. I think that, and his defensive work at times, were factors in him dropping down the pecking order.
I like Burgess, but Greaves has a lot more potential and the last time both played at this level, Greaves was in the team of the season and Burgess was not. Taking sentiment out of it, you don't give Burgess a 3 year deal and play him ahead of Greaves at this stage in their respective careers, imo. |  |
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| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:44 - Aug 14 with 561 views | Herbivore |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:38 - Aug 14 by muccletonjoe |
I'm sure that will be a great comfort when the replacements we are getting in fail to impress |
Give it a rest, all you do is whinge. | |
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| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:44 - Aug 14 with 555 views | Swailsey |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:42 - Aug 14 by NthQldITFC |
Not robust/quick/strong enough for the Premier League which is what we're building a squad for. |
Hmmm, I question that slightly when we signed Clarke, Philogene, Cajuste… |  |
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| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:46 - Aug 14 with 534 views | HighgateBlue |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:38 - Aug 14 by muccletonjoe |
I'm sure that will be a great comfort when the replacements we are getting in fail to impress |
We can have a moan each time things go wrong - I exercise that right as much as anyone. And we have overpaid for some players, some of whom have been terribly underwhelming.
But there's no reason to assume that our new signings will fail to impress! At least wait until they've played ONE match!
- The world and his wife wanted Akpom. He's been a success in the Champ before.
- Fabregas and Valencia wanted Azon. He's been selected for Spain U21. Recently.
- Cajuste knows the club and Kieran knows Cajuste.
I would suggest that there is enough evidence at least to see how they do before moaning! |  | | |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:47 - Aug 14 with 521 views | muccletonjoe |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:42 - Aug 14 by NthQldITFC |
Not robust/quick/strong enough for the Premier League which is what we're building a squad for. |
Clarke, philogene, ogbene, Al hamadi ? I know who I would rather have in the squad. And he will prove that at his new club I am sure. |  | | |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:59 - Aug 14 with 466 views | strikalite |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:17 - Aug 14 by Westover |
He would have left on a free next summer, we have got a very good money for him IMO. |
Indeed this, we can't offer him first team football either, you can't blame him for now wanting that... |  | | |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:01 - Aug 14 with 460 views | azuremerlangus |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:27 - Aug 14 by chicoazul |
Asked to go a whiles back
Been in the bad books since |
Probably tapped-up by Wrexham sometime ago. |  |
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| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:03 - Aug 14 with 448 views | Guthrum |
Because the player wanted to go and the numbers were right. |  |
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| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:03 - Aug 14 with 447 views | muccletonjoe |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:44 - Aug 14 by Herbivore |
Give it a rest, all you do is whinge. |
Give it a rest all you do is whinge about whinging | | | |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:05 - Aug 14 with 436 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
it's really very simple, he's on the last year of his deal and we spent 37M bringing in players in his area of the pitch. |  |
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| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:08 - Aug 14 with 416 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:43 - Aug 14 by Herbivore |
But both of them managed to play significantly more minutes than Broadhead did at this level in 2023/24. We had to manage Broadhead's minutes very carefully here and he hardly ever lasted a full 90 minutes. I think that, and his defensive work at times, were factors in him dropping down the pecking order.
I like Burgess, but Greaves has a lot more potential and the last time both played at this level, Greaves was in the team of the season and Burgess was not. Taking sentiment out of it, you don't give Burgess a 3 year deal and play him ahead of Greaves at this stage in their respective careers, imo. |
Sunderland and Hull were not doing what we did from the bench in 23/24. Those players are hardly physically robust. It's just basic economics why he was sold, whether or not we got the investment right at those fees after promotion is another matter. | |
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| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:10 - Aug 14 with 391 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:16 - Aug 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Think KM is building a team capable of playing prem football and he clearly didn't feel broady could. If we got another player in he was gone in Jan.
I don't quite know how he rates clarke over broady tho tbh. |
Wait until you find out how well these players did in the PL last season  |  |
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| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:13 - Aug 14 with 369 views | Herbivore |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:08 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Sunderland and Hull were not doing what we did from the bench in 23/24. Those players are hardly physically robust. It's just basic economics why he was sold, whether or not we got the investment right at those fees after promotion is another matter. |
Compared to our own forward players, he played fewer minutes than all the other main wide forwards/10s that were here for the season. Chaplin played more minutes, Burns played more minutes, Hutch played more minutes despite way fewer starts. They all completed 90 minutes many more times than he did. There's a reason we let him get to a year from the end of his deal without offering a new one and signed two players for big money in his position. Lovely player no doubt, but there are reasons McKenna didn't fully trust him over the last 18 months. | |
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| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:19 - Aug 14 with 343 views | ernie |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:43 - Aug 14 by Herbivore |
But both of them managed to play significantly more minutes than Broadhead did at this level in 2023/24. We had to manage Broadhead's minutes very carefully here and he hardly ever lasted a full 90 minutes. I think that, and his defensive work at times, were factors in him dropping down the pecking order.
I like Burgess, but Greaves has a lot more potential and the last time both played at this level, Greaves was in the team of the season and Burgess was not. Taking sentiment out of it, you don't give Burgess a 3 year deal and play him ahead of Greaves at this stage in their respective careers, imo. |
Some of that is revisionist. He was regularly part of a group that were always substituted around the 65th minute by Mc Kenna as we looked to freshen up our attack in 2023/4. |  | | |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:36 - Aug 14 with 297 views | Herbivore |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:19 - Aug 14 by ernie |
Some of that is revisionist. He was regularly part of a group that were always substituted around the 65th minute by Mc Kenna as we looked to freshen up our attack in 2023/4. |
He played less minutes than most of the others and completed 90 minutes fewer times as well. It's not revisionist, it's what actually happened.
Broadhead - 2311 mins, 39 appearances, 90 mins 4 times (only one after Xmas)
Chappers - 3372 mins, 44 appearances, 90 mins 10 times
Hutch - 2179 mins, 44 appearances (only 20 starts though), 90 mins 10 times (including 9 straight at the end of the season)
Burns - 2403 mins, 38 appearances, 90 mins 5 times
Burns is closest to him in terms of appearances and minutes, he was often rotated with Hutch, especially in the first half of the season. Chaplin played way more minutes and completed 90 minutes in a quarter of his starts, Hutch played almost as many minutes despite only starting 20 games, partly because he finished 10 of those. There's no doubt we managed Broadhead's game time, especially over the second half of the season. [Post edited 14 Aug 19:59]
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| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:47 - Aug 14 with 264 views | vilanovablue |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:36 - Aug 14 by Herbivore |
He played less minutes than most of the others and completed 90 minutes fewer times as well. It's not revisionist, it's what actually happened.
Broadhead - 2311 mins, 39 appearances, 90 mins 4 times (only one after Xmas)
Chappers - 3372 mins, 44 appearances, 90 mins 10 times
Hutch - 2179 mins, 44 appearances (only 20 starts though), 90 mins 10 times (including 9 straight at the end of the season)
Burns - 2403 mins, 38 appearances, 90 mins 5 times
Burns is closest to him in terms of appearances and minutes, he was often rotated with Hutch, especially in the first half of the season. Chaplin played way more minutes and completed 90 minutes in a quarter of his starts, Hutch played almost as many minutes despite only starting 20 games, partly because he finished 10 of those. There's no doubt we managed Broadhead's game time, especially over the second half of the season. [Post edited 14 Aug 19:59]
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Everyone can point at starts but Broadhead always felt like a player who needed careful management, there were games he was almost anonymous. When he was good he was superb and I'm sad to see him go but he was never a long term solution. We can argue whether his replacements are the correct ones but I'm not going down that road here. |  | | |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:58 - Aug 14 with 243 views | Herbivore |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 19:47 - Aug 14 by vilanovablue |
Everyone can point at starts but Broadhead always felt like a player who needed careful management, there were games he was almost anonymous. When he was good he was superb and I'm sad to see him go but he was never a long term solution. We can argue whether his replacements are the correct ones but I'm not going down that road here. |
He was a very patchy player. Saints goal aside, he tailed off a fair bit in 2023/24 in the latter stages of the season and Omari emerged as the player really firing that attacking quartet. Lots of ability but being able to play and perform consistently has been an issue for him over the years. Goes down as a modern hero and leaves with all good wishes though. | |
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| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 20:17 - Aug 14 with 193 views | stonojnr |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:22 - Aug 14 by FrimleyBlue |
We are but you either sell him for a great figure or lose him for free when you don't want him for prem. |
spot on, it seems so obvious to state Im not sure why people are going down all the conspiracy theory rabbit holes about fallings out.
Wrexham have given us alot of money for a player who had at most 1 season left with us, I suspect even if we hadnt gone up he'd have moved on regardless if we'd offered a new deal,
and with that money we can go and buy someone, if not someones who can fill that role or do something different for us. | | | |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 20:30 - Aug 14 with 162 views | BessacarrBlue |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:15 - Aug 14 by Herbivore |
We couldn't justify a three year deal for Burgess when he was going to be a back up CB and I doubt he'd have wanted to tie himself here for three years as a back up at his age. It made sense for him to go and get a good deal and regular footy elsewhere.
Broadhead almost left a year ago. He's technically brilliant but not very robust physically which limits his impact and his game time. We've brought in replacements who are younger and have a higher ceiling, albeit we've not seen them at their best yet. He's got a year left on his deal and wants to be playing regularly, we can't offer him regular footy or a long deal at this point. We've been made a fantastic offer, second highest sale in our history or close to it. It makes sense for all parties. |
Your second paragraph here absolutely sums up the situation perfectly. Beautifully put. Loved Broadhead and his ability to change a game, but as you say makes sense for all parties. | | | |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 20:33 - Aug 14 with 147 views | football |
We have got good money for him given he is in his last year of contract. It's a move to his home club so guess the club acknowledged that alongside he isn't going to feature a huge amount. We have better players and need to aim higher. Those who diss Clarke, he will tear the division apart like he did at Sunderland - he will feature ahead of Broadie.
Its a tough and ruthless world we are in and sentimentality goes out of the window if we are going to challenge for promotion | | | |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 20:41 - Aug 14 with 126 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:42 - Aug 14 by NthQldITFC |
Not robust/quick/strong enough for the Premier League which is what we're building a squad for. |
Don’t you have to bring permanent players in to build a team 😇? | | | |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 20:43 - Aug 14 with 117 views | stiff_talking |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 18:42 - Aug 14 by NthQldITFC |
Not robust/quick/strong enough for the Premier League which is what we're building a squad for. |
His lack of defensive presence left the team wide open. Him and Clarke are the same problem. There attacking isn’t reliable enough and they expose team - Davis, Burgress and Greaves. This is because McKenna system isn’t built for players who can’t defend from the front ! We throw numbers forward and pivot off 2 midfielders only who control the middle. But we are vulnerable down the flanks. Man Utd goal at Portman Road highlights issue. | | | |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 20:45 - Aug 14 with 93 views | football |
I'd also say it's a massive bold move by him. Despite the hype I expected Wrexham to be down the bottom this season (I really hope so). To me the club he's moved to is a really biog drop down - maybe he gets Disney royalties | | | |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 20:50 - Aug 14 with 71 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 20:45 - Aug 14 by football |
I'd also say it's a massive bold move by him. Despite the hype I expected Wrexham to be down the bottom this season (I really hope so). To me the club he's moved to is a really biog drop down - maybe he gets Disney royalties |
Not really, he's basically third choice here if everyone is fit and KM and told him he wouldn't see him as a PL starter by his actions. [Post edited 14 Aug 21:00]
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| Why has Broadhead been sold? on 20:59 - Aug 14 with 36 views | ArnieM |
McKenna doesnt like Broadhead, and basically binned him even though Philogene and Clarke are nowhere near Broadheads level, (IMHO).
Our loss, Wrexham's gain in my view. |  |
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