| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? 18:27 - Aug 30 with 1854 views | Blooos |
7 of the starting 11 were here last season, believe derby had 8 new players today. Is the same for most teams.
3 of the 4 games so far have been pi$$ poor and no getting around that. We have way too many good players on paper to be creating so little. |  | | |  |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 19:27 - Aug 30 with 528 views | jasondozzell |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 19:18 - Aug 30 by pointofblue |
Clarke counts as a new signing? He joined us last August! |
In and out of the team all season.
The idea this team all played together for a season is not true. |  | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 19:29 - Aug 30 with 512 views | jasondozzell |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 19:24 - Aug 30 by Whos_blue |
Err.... until they've gelled?
4 new players this week. Although it can't be used as an excuse for ever, I think until the end of September feels reasonable.
A bit of patience from us will help.
Heard a few C bombs thrown today. Mainly at Hirst and Philogene. Never understood how that helps. |
Yep. Not real fans. Fair amount of that at Preston too. They have no idea what a dreadful performance actually is.
All those calling Hirst etc a c... - you can guarantee none of them were here to watch Aaron Drinan up front. | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 19:40 - Aug 30 with 463 views | ITFCSG |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 19:03 - Aug 30 by bsw72 |
Derby didn’t try to play though. They feigned injury, lumped the ball forward and time wasted.
You don’t have to gel as a team if the aim is to disrupt the opposition and not play football. |
What's the point of trying to play total football and lose / drop points?
I rather play ugly and get the points, whether it is 1 or 3 against a superior opponent.
i.e. if we played like Derby at say, Man City / Liverpool / Arsenal last season would you be saying the same thing? | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 19:54 - Aug 30 with 444 views | billlm |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 18:38 - Aug 30 by blueoutlook |
He picks the team. His tactics no ? |
I think you have to start questioning, |  | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 20:05 - Aug 30 with 427 views | Moggasknockdown |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 19:29 - Aug 30 by jasondozzell |
Yep. Not real fans. Fair amount of that at Preston too. They have no idea what a dreadful performance actually is.
All those calling Hirst etc a c... - you can guarantee none of them were here to watch Aaron Drinan up front. |
Ha ha- yes, those WERE the days, and being gaslit by Lambert after every game. Some perspective needed, I agree. I feel for Hirst; he cannot get in behind and the slow buildup / lack of good crosses make his job difficult. That said, it all needs to be better than it was for the last 20 minutes. I think that Azon looked a really good option- seemed to be around the danger area and nearly got on the end of a few things. We need a win, badly. Philogene was good first half imo- looks really unhappy wide right. Doesn’t want to drop his shoulder and go, ever. Liked McAteer too. Two centre halves are a problem for us- 3 poor goals conceded by their errors in two weeks. | |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 20:14 - Aug 30 with 409 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 19:26 - Aug 30 by Coastalblue |
It's all about nuance isn't it? The world isn't actually all in black or white despite what appears to be the current trend for well everything.
We are looking to play a type of football that takes time and intelligence to implement, using systems and tactics that take time and intelligence to understand.
When we get there then I suspect sides like derby will be brushed aside, but it will take time. If we decided to play 442 and just buy the best lump in each position then it would all happen a lot faster but with a much lower ceiling, and yes I don't deny there's perhaps an argument for that in this division, same as there's an argument for saying when it does start to come together we might be too far back but that is our process, and as we've seen, it works. |
That’s all well and good but we have some players who’ve been here well before this summer for huge money massively under performing. Thats a problem. |  |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 20:18 - Aug 30 with 387 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 19:14 - Aug 30 by jasondozzell |
How many patterns of play did you see from Derby?
Did all 8 arrive in the last few days/1-2 weeks? |
8 of our starting lineup today were here last season. Of the 3 that weren’t, Azor Matusiwa signed on 13th July and Ashley Young signed on 23rd July. Only Kasey McAteer was signed in the last couple of weeks |  |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 20:20 - Aug 30 with 378 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 19:29 - Aug 30 by jasondozzell |
Yep. Not real fans. Fair amount of that at Preston too. They have no idea what a dreadful performance actually is.
All those calling Hirst etc a c... - you can guarantee none of them were here to watch Aaron Drinan up front. |
We’ve barely won a game in over a year. Why do you keep acting like anyone criticising now is some sort of bandwagon jumping glory hunter who couldn’t possibly have gone to a game when we were sh*t? | |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 20:57 - Aug 30 with 313 views | jasondozzell |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 20:20 - Aug 30 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
We’ve barely won a game in over a year. Why do you keep acting like anyone criticising now is some sort of bandwagon jumping glory hunter who couldn’t possibly have gone to a game when we were sh*t? |
Because the we've barely won a game in over a year thing is totally disingenuous angle imo that without context is pretty meaningless...
And I think a lot of bandwagoners are the ones making the most noise over things. Anyone who has watched our games can see it's a rebuild happening in front of our eyes and that we will be okay.
KM's interview today about it being the toughest summer etc. just confirms that that's what we're dealing with. But he was also right about the progress with each game.
Fans just need to be patient but we've got people moaning like it's the dark days. We've just bought one of the most fancied young talents in Europe for 17.5m! We're so far from the dark days it's untrue and yet people are behaving like we're back in Jewell watching the dvd territory. | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 20:59 - Aug 30 with 309 views | itfc_statman |
Even when you have clearly more quality at Championship level the margins are small.
I got a bit of stick last season because statistically based on xG data it was abundantly clear that we were going to get relegated and said as such well before Christmas. You might get an outlier 1 in 20 times but it was also clear McKenna wasn't willing to change enough to fix it.
This season is totally different. For all the complaints we are creating more than our opponents in every game. It would again be an extreme anomaly for us not to start converting close to our xG.
We aren't as good as some think (data suggests top 2 is already very unlikely based on last 10 seasons) but we should be a top 6 side - so we also aren't as bad as some think.
Whether that's good enough for the amount of money spent is a different question. | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 03:01 - Aug 31 with 236 views | Tampa_Florida_Blue |
Will admit I have not read all the replies, but how can you judge how come out team has not gelled yet. Think about that. We have 2 players who has not even done a single day of training for us yet, and 2 more who at most has only done 1 day training at the most.
Sorry but I see this complaint mention with out even thinking what you are saying. What wrong with all you glass half empty people this week. WOW. |  | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 07:32 - Aug 31 with 179 views | brazil1981 |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 18:32 - Aug 30 by homer_123 |
It's almost like you haven't read any of the threads on here.
Apologies, not having a go.
I've posted on here that whilst it's correct to say a lot of the players are the same players as last season. However, what happened last season? The confidence and arrogance we played with was knocked out of us. So, we are having to rebuild that. It's a factor that plays an important part as to why what happened today did.
2 years ago, if we conceded (which we did) we wouldn't give a sh**. It wouldn't affect our confidence but after last season it rightly does.
It's a factor but an integral one and not one that can be easily coached.
It's the reason why 'patterns' of play are important so that when you aren't feeling 'confident' you still know what runs you should make and how your manager wants you to play etc. |
Exactly that… | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 07:39 - Aug 31 with 161 views | NthQldITFC |
Until a few more people understand it, I guess?
Amongst the clunky, nervous and uncoordinated bits yesterday there were some beautiful little periods of football where we moved Derby around and looked very, very good indeed. When Matisuwa, Cajuste, Davis and McAteer, with input from O'Shea and the forwards were really orchestrating things just before half time, there was the image of the team we'll see in the next couple of months, which was way beyond what most Championship opponents will be able to cope with.
It really isn't hard to understand that the advanced football we aim to be playing takes a little longer to knit together with half a new squad. |  |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 07:46 - Aug 31 with 151 views | bazza |
A little more than 4 games perhaps 😂 |  | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 07:50 - Aug 31 with 145 views | PioneerBlue |
OP - all the things you raise are reasonable and pretty on the money.
Unfortunately unless you believe KMck is cooked in which case your intentions should be challenged, the answer is as long as it takes to get the tune from a championship all stars team, this year next year doesn’t really matter except to those of unreason or with limited memory of what it takes to get the sports car tuned up and ready for the fast track.
In reality the club itself will have goals. Missing automatics will be failure and very disappointing. Promotion can be achieved via play offs.
If we are not accumulating big points in Oct/Nov focus will rightly be on KMck but no one should be losing any hair until Jan in this league. Unless he feels he can’t take the team onwards before that we should be doing nothing other than backing the club to succeed. Chatter about only accumulating a few points in Sept isn’t going to help get the club back to where we all want it to be. | |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 07:52 - Aug 31 with 143 views | PioneerBlue |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 18:32 - Aug 30 by homer_123 |
It's almost like you haven't read any of the threads on here.
Apologies, not having a go.
I've posted on here that whilst it's correct to say a lot of the players are the same players as last season. However, what happened last season? The confidence and arrogance we played with was knocked out of us. So, we are having to rebuild that. It's a factor that plays an important part as to why what happened today did.
2 years ago, if we conceded (which we did) we wouldn't give a sh**. It wouldn't affect our confidence but after last season it rightly does.
It's a factor but an integral one and not one that can be easily coached.
It's the reason why 'patterns' of play are important so that when you aren't feeling 'confident' you still know what runs you should make and how your manager wants you to play etc. |
Very will said. Reasoned and insightful big tick. | |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 07:54 - Aug 31 with 141 views | PioneerBlue |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 18:36 - Aug 30 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We’ve got one point from Derby and Preston. Talent alone should be enough to be seeing off today’s opposition at home with ease after taking a lead. They have more new players starting than us by the way.
Leicester have basically clawed back their apparent points deduction (if they ever get one) back on us. There should be some alarm bells. |
There are some alarm bells that we can’t work out how to break a low block and we are still getting knocked off the ball easily in the final third (both last season problems) but that shouldn’t be our concern! Thats for MA and KMck to solve and us to watch progress 🤷🏻♂️ | |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 07:55 - Aug 31 with 139 views | NedPlimpton |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 18:45 - Aug 30 by ITFCSG |
We dispatched Derby easily in L1 home and away.
Close to £120 million net spending later we need a 106th minute penalty to beat them at home.
Progress? |
Obviously there's progress. We're now in the championship! |  | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 07:59 - Aug 31 with 127 views | Axeldalai_lama |
I don't understand. What is the alternative 'gimmick'? What should we be doing as fans? We have no control or influence, just views and thoughts. Would it be better if we all attacked the players as rubbish and the manager as useless? What if we all agreed on a really specific way of playing going forward? What difference does any of it make?
We need to play better, we need to play as a team better, players understand better and get used to new players together. Whatever you want to call it, they clearly haven't got to an optimal understanding as a group, with a cutting edge etc. Why is the OP against saying we need to gel? What would the OP have us all or have McKenna say?
We're not in a great place right now, there has been new arrivals and turnover this summer, it's frustrating, let's try and play better. |  | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:05 - Aug 31 with 63 views | darkhorse28 |
We’re still using it to lower expectations and keep McKenna and Ashton in a job from last summer.
12 months coaching isn’t enough.
So forever them…, McKenna loves to tell us down, and lower expectations, Cheltenham Morecambe, etc tough teams.
Problem is…, he’s talked us down so much, I think his players believe him…, we’re a rubbish tin pot league one club.
Who just happened to spend £200 million on new players. | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:09 - Aug 31 with 44 views | pointofblue |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 07:54 - Aug 31 by PioneerBlue |
There are some alarm bells that we can’t work out how to break a low block and we are still getting knocked off the ball easily in the final third (both last season problems) but that shouldn’t be our concern! Thats for MA and KMck to solve and us to watch progress 🤷🏻♂️ |
My issue is we struggled against the low block and have looked weak physical against any side which has executed it since McKenna got here - obviously it hasn't happened much in the past couple of seasons, but was a well worn tactic in League One. Yet we haven't found a solution to beat it? | |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:09 - Aug 31 with 44 views | MK1 |
Personally, never. These are professional footballers who can adapt. If the manager is asking too much to soon, then.... |  |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:11 - Aug 31 with 37 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Burnley last year, and Southampton this season all had huge player turnovers. Southampton are outperforming us, for me the arrival of new players (many who’ve barely appeared yet) doesn’t wash.
Again, doesn’t mean the world is ending but I’m quite surprised that people don’t think we are underperforming given the vast financial imbalance versus the teams we’ve played (Southampton aside). Also notable that Southampton had a new manager and new tactics - a much bigger upheaval than us. | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:20 - Aug 31 with 27 views | Swailsey |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 19:16 - Aug 30 by jasondozzell |
And although I agree results will need to improve (they will) the idea that the team all played together last season isn't true either.
Clarke and Philogene still count as new arrivals in my eyes. Lots of new combos and relationships in that team. |
Clarke joined over a year ago! |  |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:27 - Aug 31 with 16 views | jasondozzell |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:20 - Aug 31 by Swailsey |
Clarke joined over a year ago! |
Yes but he was in and out of the side last year.
I'm just pointing out that the idea we had a settled side is just not true. | | | |
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