| Rayner resigns 13:04 - Sep 5 with 4240 views | Mullet |
A feather in the cap for the hypocritical right and a loss to British politics. A shame she’s gone but it shows a moral fibre that’s rarer these days in politics. |  |
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| Rayner resigns on 14:00 - Sep 5 with 924 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Rayner resigns on 13:13 - Sep 5 by hype313 |
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How very Dan Hodges-like to stir the pot without bothering to read the ethics advisor’s statement. I’d forgotten was an odious little sh*tweasel he can be. |  |
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| Rayner resigns on 14:06 - Sep 5 with 902 views | MattinLondon |
| Rayner resigns on 13:45 - Sep 5 by charlie_lynton |
Funded by taxpayers her entire life. Then abused it even more. Has literally been a drain on society ever since she was born. |
But that’s enough about you. What you think of this story? |  | | |
| Rayner resigns on 14:06 - Sep 5 with 904 views | itfcjoe |
| Rayner resigns on 13:27 - Sep 5 by baxterbasics |
Also, even ignoring the rights and wrongs of the tax situation, how does someone in her position manage to accumulate that much wealth? Career as a union rep and then MP / minister shouldn't be quite so rewarding. Similar to the millionaire Jeremy Corbyn and his career as an agitator at taxpayer expense.
Realise it's not just about these individuals but the whole parliament / government gravy train. |
Buying an £800k house with a mortgage as her primary residence doesn't seem to be that out the way? Our last PM was a billionaire |  |
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| Rayner resigns on 14:20 - Sep 5 with 827 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Rayner resigns on 14:06 - Sep 5 by itfcjoe |
Buying an £800k house with a mortgage as her primary residence doesn't seem to be that out the way? Our last PM was a billionaire |
I thought her primary residence was in Ashton-under-Lyne? Isn't that the one she sold 25% of to a Trust set up for her son? She's also get her flat in Admiralty House in London, which she's provided owing to her role in Government. Well, she was, presumably not as of today.
FWIW I don't think her personal circumstances are relevant to the issue in question. I think its regrettable from a political perspective, she was one of the better ones IMO and I admire her route to get to where she's got to given the challenges she's faced. That said the writing was on the wall for her once she tried to scapegoat a handful of small professional services firms who promptly poo pooed her. |  | | |
| Rayner resigns on 14:20 - Sep 5 with 825 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68bac57c536d629f9c82ab4b/Letter_f
Full statement here - she wasn’t hounded out, but found to have not met the standards of ministerial conduct by an independent committee.
Not sure if it was arrogance or stupidity not seeking appropriate professional advice in her position. Her initial claim to have done so also looks bad given that was found not to be the case. Only herself to blame. |  | | |
| Rayner resigns on 14:27 - Sep 5 with 787 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Rayner resigns on 14:20 - Sep 5 by _clive_baker_ |
I thought her primary residence was in Ashton-under-Lyne? Isn't that the one she sold 25% of to a Trust set up for her son? She's also get her flat in Admiralty House in London, which she's provided owing to her role in Government. Well, she was, presumably not as of today.
FWIW I don't think her personal circumstances are relevant to the issue in question. I think its regrettable from a political perspective, she was one of the better ones IMO and I admire her route to get to where she's got to given the challenges she's faced. That said the writing was on the wall for her once she tried to scapegoat a handful of small professional services firms who promptly poo pooed her. |
No, the flat was her only home. She’d sold her stake in her old family home, but because it was in trust to her son who is still a minor there are complex tax arrangements that effectively meant she should have treated her flat as a second home even though it wasn’t.
It’s complex, but especially in her position she should have gone the extra mile to make sure all was in order. | |
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| Rayner resigns on 14:34 - Sep 5 with 748 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Rayner resigns on 14:27 - Sep 5 by Swansea_Blue |
No, the flat was her only home. She’d sold her stake in her old family home, but because it was in trust to her son who is still a minor there are complex tax arrangements that effectively meant she should have treated her flat as a second home even though it wasn’t.
It’s complex, but especially in her position she should have gone the extra mile to make sure all was in order. |
Perhaps I'm naïve and giving her too much credit but I would find it really surprising that she, in her position, knowing the consequences, would deliberately and knowingly underpay her taxes. Can't help but feel its a genuine mistake, she either didn't take enough advice or didn't question the advice she received enough, but it feels clumsy to me rather than deceitful. Appreciate intent is difficult to establish though, but I do think that's very relevant.
Her response to it is more questionable than the initial issue IMO. | | | |
| Rayner resigns on 14:34 - Sep 5 with 747 views | itfcjoe |
| Rayner resigns on 14:20 - Sep 5 by _clive_baker_ |
I thought her primary residence was in Ashton-under-Lyne? Isn't that the one she sold 25% of to a Trust set up for her son? She's also get her flat in Admiralty House in London, which she's provided owing to her role in Government. Well, she was, presumably not as of today.
FWIW I don't think her personal circumstances are relevant to the issue in question. I think its regrettable from a political perspective, she was one of the better ones IMO and I admire her route to get to where she's got to given the challenges she's faced. That said the writing was on the wall for her once she tried to scapegoat a handful of small professional services firms who promptly poo pooed her. |
The place in Ashton-under-Lyme was part owned by a trust, her and her ex-husband - it has been adapted for the needs of one of her disabled children so her and her ex-husband move in and out of it whilst the kids remain.
She sold her part of the house to the trust, so doesn't own any property, and then used that as deposit to buy a place in Hive [where her current partner has children] and splits time between the two residences
But seems mad to suggest a leading politician in the country has accumulated so much wealth because she has an £800k house with a mortgage on it | |
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| Rayner resigns on 14:36 - Sep 5 with 738 views | noggin |
| Rayner resigns on 13:27 - Sep 5 by baxterbasics |
Also, even ignoring the rights and wrongs of the tax situation, how does someone in her position manage to accumulate that much wealth? Career as a union rep and then MP / minister shouldn't be quite so rewarding. Similar to the millionaire Jeremy Corbyn and his career as an agitator at taxpayer expense.
Realise it's not just about these individuals but the whole parliament / government gravy train. |
I think you’ve got a distorted view of “wealth “ |  |
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| Rayner resigns on 14:38 - Sep 5 with 722 views | DJR |
With the loss of her ministerial salary, I wonder if she will be able to afford the mortgage on her additional home. [Post edited 5 Sep 14:42]
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| Rayner resigns on 14:38 - Sep 5 with 719 views | BlacknGoldnBlue |
| Rayner resigns on 13:12 - Sep 5 by chicoazul |
Starmer reinforces his comms team with a Blairite big dog and a few days later his main cabinet rival is knifed. The system protects itself at all costs. |
It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in! |  |
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| Rayner resigns on 14:39 - Sep 5 with 715 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Rayner resigns on 14:34 - Sep 5 by itfcjoe |
The place in Ashton-under-Lyme was part owned by a trust, her and her ex-husband - it has been adapted for the needs of one of her disabled children so her and her ex-husband move in and out of it whilst the kids remain.
She sold her part of the house to the trust, so doesn't own any property, and then used that as deposit to buy a place in Hive [where her current partner has children] and splits time between the two residences
But seems mad to suggest a leading politician in the country has accumulated so much wealth because she has an £800k house with a mortgage on it |
I'd agree with you with that context, I thought the flat was a 2nd home but feels much more nuanced than that. As you say to have a mortgaged £800k property when she's on a salary of £150k and has mad earning potential post her political career isn't especially out of kilter. | | | |
| Rayner resigns on 14:40 - Sep 5 with 703 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Rayner resigns on 14:38 - Sep 5 by DJR |
With the loss of her ministerial salary, I wonder if she will be able to afford the mortgage on her additional home. [Post edited 5 Sep 14:42]
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I wouldn't think that would be a problem. She can dance around on Strictly for 4 weeks and earn what she does in a year in politics. Her earning potential will increase greatly from today. [Post edited 5 Sep 14:41]
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| Rayner resigns on 14:49 - Sep 5 with 648 views | giant_stow |
| Rayner resigns on 14:38 - Sep 5 by DJR |
With the loss of her ministerial salary, I wonder if she will be able to afford the mortgage on her additional home. [Post edited 5 Sep 14:42]
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What additional home? I'm confused! I thought twtd had established that the Hove place is the only place she owns?
Wealth wise, her Hove deposit seems to be the sum of her property wealth. Doesn't seem excessive to me - probably plenty of bods with at least that much. |  |
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| Rayner resigns on 14:49 - Sep 5 with 651 views | JammyDodgerrr |
She obviously got it wrong and has paid the price.
But this really is a victory for misogynstic white men everywhere. |  |
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| Rayner resigns on 15:00 - Sep 5 with 603 views | DJR |
| Rayner resigns on 14:49 - Sep 5 by giant_stow |
What additional home? I'm confused! I thought twtd had established that the Hove place is the only place she owns?
Wealth wise, her Hove deposit seems to be the sum of her property wealth. Doesn't seem excessive to me - probably plenty of bods with at least that much. |
It is an additional (or holiday) home in the sense that she also spends time in the house in Ashton (which for council tax purposes is her main residence) and in the flat in Admiralty House, presumably when she is in London.
As it is, I am not questioning her wealth just wondering if she has stretched herself now that she is no longer a minister. [Post edited 5 Sep 15:07]
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| Rayner resigns on 15:01 - Sep 5 with 602 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Rayner resigns on 14:49 - Sep 5 by JammyDodgerrr |
She obviously got it wrong and has paid the price.
But this really is a victory for misogynstic white men everywhere. |
Bit harsh on Sir Laurie Magnus CBE who said she failed to meet Ministerial standards and resign - is there evidence of him being misogynistic? | | | |
| Rayner resigns on 15:03 - Sep 5 with 580 views | lowhouseblue |
| Rayner resigns on 14:49 - Sep 5 by JammyDodgerrr |
She obviously got it wrong and has paid the price.
But this really is a victory for misogynstic white men everywhere. |
bit weird. |  |
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| Rayner resigns on 15:10 - Sep 5 with 529 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Rayner resigns on 13:27 - Sep 5 by baxterbasics |
Also, even ignoring the rights and wrongs of the tax situation, how does someone in her position manage to accumulate that much wealth? Career as a union rep and then MP / minister shouldn't be quite so rewarding. Similar to the millionaire Jeremy Corbyn and his career as an agitator at taxpayer expense.
Realise it's not just about these individuals but the whole parliament / government gravy train. |
The 'Corbyn's a millionaire' is really such a tired old thing to trot out.
He owns a fairly bog-standard terraced house in Islington. If he bought it in the 1970s or 1980s, it probably didn't cost that much (the council bought thousands of Edwardian terraced houses in the borough in the 1970s because they were dirt cheap at the time), but because of the London house price boom, it is now worth silly money.
And then he's been an MP on an extremely good salary for forty years. If he's saved wisely (and he doesn't seem to have lavish spending habits), he could easily have accumulated hundreds of thousands of pounds in savings. |  | | |
| Rayner resigns on 15:14 - Sep 5 with 493 views | blueasfook |
| Rayner resigns on 14:49 - Sep 5 by JammyDodgerrr |
She obviously got it wrong and has paid the price.
But this really is a victory for misogynstic white men everywhere. |
I see nothing but support for her mostly on here. Even among the "righties". Strange take. |  |
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| Rayner resigns on 15:15 - Sep 5 with 489 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Rayner resigns on 15:01 - Sep 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Bit harsh on Sir Laurie Magnus CBE who said she failed to meet Ministerial standards and resign - is there evidence of him being misogynistic? |
I'm clearly not referring to him. Rayner has been hounded as a successful woman in Government, frequently splashed across the tabloids, faced attacks from huge amounts of other politicians etc.
She made herself vulnerable to that, and got it wrong, and she rightly stepped down. But I think it's fairly clear that the right wing press have got what they wanted. | |
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| Rayner resigns on 15:22 - Sep 5 with 462 views | giant_stow |
| Rayner resigns on 15:10 - Sep 5 by Clapham_Junction |
The 'Corbyn's a millionaire' is really such a tired old thing to trot out.
He owns a fairly bog-standard terraced house in Islington. If he bought it in the 1970s or 1980s, it probably didn't cost that much (the council bought thousands of Edwardian terraced houses in the borough in the 1970s because they were dirt cheap at the time), but because of the London house price boom, it is now worth silly money.
And then he's been an MP on an extremely good salary for forty years. If he's saved wisely (and he doesn't seem to have lavish spending habits), he could easily have accumulated hundreds of thousands of pounds in savings. |
You're bang on. I was bought up in a street full of 4-story Georgian town houses in Barnsbury, Islington (now uber posh - near where Tone lived). The council took at least half of them on in the 70s and split them into flats - many are still council homes (those bods struck gold). My friends still live in one, paying rent to the council - the maisonette downstairs was sold a while back for £1m plus.
Can't have Corbyn for that. Or if you do, you go after baby-boomers full stop. [Post edited 5 Sep 15:24]
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| Rayner resigns on 15:23 - Sep 5 with 455 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Rayner resigns on 14:34 - Sep 5 by _clive_baker_ |
Perhaps I'm naïve and giving her too much credit but I would find it really surprising that she, in her position, knowing the consequences, would deliberately and knowingly underpay her taxes. Can't help but feel its a genuine mistake, she either didn't take enough advice or didn't question the advice she received enough, but it feels clumsy to me rather than deceitful. Appreciate intent is difficult to establish though, but I do think that's very relevant.
Her response to it is more questionable than the initial issue IMO. |
It could well have been genuine. I think I agree - she could have made better statements and overall responded better. I suppose she did seek better advice once the issue had blown up and did refer herself to the ethics adviser. That’s something.
I’m surprised they don’t have better checks internally. Given how much time is spent on image and maintaining order, you’d think there’d be someone checking every detail that could come back to bite them. | |
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| Rayner resigns on 15:41 - Sep 5 with 360 views | Blueschev |
| Rayner resigns on 15:23 - Sep 5 by Swansea_Blue |
It could well have been genuine. I think I agree - she could have made better statements and overall responded better. I suppose she did seek better advice once the issue had blown up and did refer herself to the ethics adviser. That’s something.
I’m surprised they don’t have better checks internally. Given how much time is spent on image and maintaining order, you’d think there’d be someone checking every detail that could come back to bite them. |
I think if anything, this whole episode goes to highlight that this government is not particularly competent, which is fast becoming a British tradition. [Post edited 5 Sep 15:43]
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| Rayner resigns on 15:42 - Sep 5 with 352 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Rayner resigns on 15:10 - Sep 5 by Clapham_Junction |
The 'Corbyn's a millionaire' is really such a tired old thing to trot out.
He owns a fairly bog-standard terraced house in Islington. If he bought it in the 1970s or 1980s, it probably didn't cost that much (the council bought thousands of Edwardian terraced houses in the borough in the 1970s because they were dirt cheap at the time), but because of the London house price boom, it is now worth silly money.
And then he's been an MP on an extremely good salary for forty years. If he's saved wisely (and he doesn't seem to have lavish spending habits), he could easily have accumulated hundreds of thousands of pounds in savings. |
He tucked a few quid away when he was shilling for Iranian State Press TV at a time when they were broadcasting confessions under torture from political prisoners as well. |  |
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