| Why did the media and police lie so readily 07:20 - Sep 17 with 6497 views | onceablue |
Lie about the number of people on the Unite the Kingdom rally
Police say 110,000 on the Unite the Kingdom rally
We took 5,000 to Preston the other week.
According to the Police that means there were only 22x more people on the rally.
There was quite clearly between 500,000 to a 1,000,000 people on that protest
The Police lied because they, the media and the Government want to play down the feeling of the Country at the moment
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:27 - Sep 17 with 791 views | DJR |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:11 - Sep 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That link doesn't work.
We are still waiting for the OP to give any evidence that the crowd was more than 150k, though. By the way, the organisers or supporters claiming it was, a photoshopped image including the Arc de Triomphe, or a picture from someone who was there showing a lot of people in one place do not count as that evidence.
I would love to see aerial footage from this rally and that from the Stop The War rally which was attended by an estimated 750k people as comparisons. |
I've corrected it on the original and set it out below.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/im-an-expert-on-crowd-sizes-this-is-how-ma |  | | |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:29 - Sep 17 with 789 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:26 - Sep 17 by blueasfook |
You know, not everything I post is trolling. I do have some "real" opinions! |
The problem is that when you serially troll it is impossible to tell the difference. You can't be surprised that nobody accepts anything you post is genuine.
That said, I have seen a few times where it appears to be. |  |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:30 - Sep 17 with 789 views | BlueBadger |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:24 - Sep 17 by urbanpenguin |
Hah. i have been in and seen crowds of 100,000 and 2,000,000 and in between. No way was there 500,000 on that march.
But, beyond the numbers, i care more about the out and out fascism, right wing garbage, and hate that it is normalising. |
Oh come on now, turning out to cheer a speech delivered by a foreigner who's known for making Hitler salutes is the height of patriotsim. |  |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:33 - Sep 17 with 744 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Thanks.
Difficult to know whether there is any bias in the article itself!
I would love to see reliable aerial footage with comparison from other large crowds as comparisons. It is interesting there is a quote towards the end claiming such footage for this event but no publishing of it nor comparisons to similar. I am sure such aerial footage will exist. | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:34 - Sep 17 with 736 views | waveneyblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:27 - Sep 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
A good example of your "side" not using condescension or abuse here. |
What the actual.....
Look at what I was replying to before making such a daft comment. |  | | |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:35 - Sep 17 with 727 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:34 - Sep 17 by waveneyblue |
What the actual.....
Look at what I was replying to before making such a daft comment. |
Ah, so it's ok to descend to abuse and condescension as long as the other poster started it. | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:40 - Sep 17 with 688 views | waveneyblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:35 - Sep 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Ah, so it's ok to descend to abuse and condescension as long as the other poster started it. |
Whatever...
Seriously I think you often talk a lot of sense on here, but im not sure how I was supposed to react to such a ridiculous response.
Im not getting into an argument with you about this one | | | |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:40 - Sep 17 with 699 views | bsw72 |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 08:42 - Sep 17 by onceablue |
Listen I didn’t agree with the rally.
I am making comments regarding the Police and media and the reasons they lied |
Brilliant you are becoming a parody of you own trolling behaviour.
The first post asserted, without evidence, that police, media and government “lied” about crowd size and suggested 500K–1M attendees, when available estimates put the march below 150,000. A response then reframed the point as a general criticism of the police and media. That quick shift from a bold, fact‑based claim to a defensive clarification is a common tactic to avoid scrutiny on anything "factual" your have posted.
In effect just typical trolling behavipour, so when challenged on facts, the argument is reframed so other posters appear to be attacking tone rather than substance.
If you want a constructive discussion, I suggest you try one of the following approaches:
- Provide credible sources or verifiable data that support the higher crowd estimates; or
- Acknowledge the discrepancy and explain why you believe the official estimates are unreliable, making clear this is your interpretation rather than an established fact.
If your aim is to criticise institutions, why not do so with verifiable evidence or clearly state just an opinion; that way the conversation can be substantive and useful rather than divisive (although that is probably your intent) - and therefore something that leads Phil to having to waste his time policing the board (pun intended) [Post edited 17 Sep 10:05]
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:45 - Sep 17 with 668 views | DanTheMan |
Human beings are really, really bad at estimating large numbers, especially by sight. Really, our brains are just bad with large numbers. |  |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:51 - Sep 17 with 639 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:26 - Sep 17 by waveneyblue |
Same posters, same outcome
Rinse and repeat every time.
I do enjoy how you all rally round, is there some kind of bat signal that alerts you. |
Yeah, it's called a desire for truth. |  |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:51 - Sep 17 with 633 views | Mullet |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:26 - Sep 17 by waveneyblue |
Same posters, same outcome
Rinse and repeat every time.
I do enjoy how you all rally round, is there some kind of bat signal that alerts you. |
Bingo |  |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:52 - Sep 17 with 637 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:26 - Sep 17 by blueasfook |
You know, not everything I post is trolling. I do have some "real" opinions! |
I'll look forward to seeing them. | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:52 - Sep 17 with 630 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:51 - Sep 17 by Mullet |
Bingo |
No abuse nor condescension, though. | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:53 - Sep 17 with 629 views | waveneyblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:51 - Sep 17 by Mullet |
Bingo |
Here he is.... ♥️
Bat signal finally reached you old boy...
Or did they send Lassie ? | | | |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:55 - Sep 17 with 612 views | waveneyblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:51 - Sep 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Yeah, it's called a desire for truth. |
Or a desire to shut down any opinion you dont agree with.
Same thing in your book I guess. | | | |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:56 - Sep 17 with 605 views | Mullet |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:52 - Sep 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
No abuse nor condescension, though. |
Careful he'll see red again! | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:57 - Sep 17 with 609 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I can see why the governement might lie about the figures.
I can see why the organisers of the event might lie about the figures.
I can't for the life of me see what the motivation would be for the police to lie about the figures. | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:58 - Sep 17 with 599 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:10 - Sep 17 by noggin |
"There was quite clearly between 500,000 to a 1,000,000 people on that protest"
That is not just an 'opinion'. They've made a statement and been asked to back it up. This is how debate works. |
It’s not difficult is it? If you make a bold claim that contradicts published information it’s not unreasonable to be asked to justify that claim. It’s got sod all to do with opinions. It may be true for all I know, but we’ll never find out if people can’t evidence, or at least source, their claims.
‘x people attended the rally’ is a statement of fact
‘I think those attending were misguided in supporting criminal racists, antisemites, sexual abusers, fraudsters and wife beaters’ is an opinion. |  |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 10:02 - Sep 17 with 582 views | WeWereZombies |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:55 - Sep 17 by waveneyblue |
Or a desire to shut down any opinion you dont agree with.
Same thing in your book I guess. |
But no other poster is shutting you down (only Phil can do that,) they are only disagreeing with you and, in some cases, giving you a couple of down votes. Is that really so difficult to cope with, or can't you stand being disagreed with at all ? |  |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 10:04 - Sep 17 with 571 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:55 - Sep 17 by waveneyblue |
Or a desire to shut down any opinion you dont agree with.
Same thing in your book I guess. |
It’s not an opinion though
(Edit - that’s assuming you’re still talking about the OP. If not just ignore me) [Post edited 17 Sep 10:06]
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 10:07 - Sep 17 with 547 views | waveneyblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 10:02 - Sep 17 by WeWereZombies |
But no other poster is shutting you down (only Phil can do that,) they are only disagreeing with you and, in some cases, giving you a couple of down votes. Is that really so difficult to cope with, or can't you stand being disagreed with at all ? |
I really must get on with work.
As usual, we are now going down the road of, "nobody shuts anyone down", "we are just debating"...
You all carry on the good fight, its you guys that make this forum the place it is.
Which isnt a compliment by the way.
Have a good day. | | | |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 10:08 - Sep 17 with 542 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:45 - Sep 17 by DanTheMan |
Human beings are really, really bad at estimating large numbers, especially by sight. Really, our brains are just bad with large numbers. |
Are you saying I may not have an 11 inch ‘thingy’?
FWIW, estimates indicate the crowd for the Queen’s funeral may have reached 1 million and was one of the largest ever seen in London. People can look at the pictures of the 2 events and draw their own conclusions). [Post edited 17 Sep 10:15]
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 10:19 - Sep 17 with 488 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 10:07 - Sep 17 by waveneyblue |
I really must get on with work.
As usual, we are now going down the road of, "nobody shuts anyone down", "we are just debating"...
You all carry on the good fight, its you guys that make this forum the place it is.
Which isnt a compliment by the way.
Have a good day. |
You do realise that "you guys" is a collection of a large number of people who post, most of whom remain polite, but challenge statements that they disagree with. That large collection frequently disagree with each other and challenge each other over things.
I don't get why the forum would be better if no one disagreed with your views. | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 10:23 - Sep 17 with 475 views | wkj |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 10:07 - Sep 17 by waveneyblue |
I really must get on with work.
As usual, we are now going down the road of, "nobody shuts anyone down", "we are just debating"...
You all carry on the good fight, its you guys that make this forum the place it is.
Which isnt a compliment by the way.
Have a good day. |
I would say it is clear to see that the current state of the forum is a two way street that is exacerbated by divisionism and this so-called culture war mentality. I'm not sure sniping and then running is a particularly effective way of debating either, it is more akin to "I want to make my point and the monster is those who disagree." |  |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 10:34 - Sep 17 with 421 views | BlueNomad |
I think the correct assessment of numbers in that march is “too many.” In fact just one right wing racist bigot is one too many. [Post edited 17 Sep 10:35]
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