| Aston Villa banning away fans..... 17:58 - Oct 16 with 9869 views | Bloots |
....from Villa Park for the match against Maccabi Tel Aviv, due to "public safety concerns and the ability to deal with protests".
What a ridiculous world we live in. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:09 - Oct 16 with 1291 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 18:59 - Oct 16 by bartyg |
Quite hypocritical of a response, no? I don't deny that some of the reported actions were antisemitic but you tar the entire thing as such.
If it's Maccabi fans doing racism it's a bad egg, if it's anyone else they're all antisemitic. Do you consider Israelis above reproach? |
You should read what is written. I've said at the time and i've said on this thread that a minority of Maccabi fans behaved appallingly. They took part in disgusting racism and genocidal chanting. If they goit a kicking for their actions they deserved it.
However, the attacks were coordinated against Jews days before any of this took place. And they were anti semitic. People were attacked for "helping Jews".
The reason given for Maccabi fans not being permitted to attend the Vila game is because of potential attacks similar to those seen in Amsterdam. |  |
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| Yep, although my point was really.... on 19:11 - Oct 16 with 1292 views | Bloots |
| Sorry for putting this in "football" Dubbers..... on 19:07 - Oct 16 by Dubtractor |
Spoilt my day mate.
Agree with your general point fwiw, but this is the world we live in, and it is pretty shite at the moment. |
...just about the fact that they are saying they can't police the match, so the only option they can see is banning away fans.
Seems a huge cop out by the cops, so to speak.
As someone else has said it's a dangerous precedent that will now potentially give them the power to do it whenever they fancy it. | |
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| Yeah probably..... on 19:11 - Oct 16 with 1275 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Yeah probably..... on 19:05 - Oct 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Certainly a worrying precedent that local police can determine whether away fans attend matches. Where does that end?
If there is an issue due to the behaviour of Maccabi fans then UEFA should take action.
Otherwise, it seems reasonable that if the police genuinely think they cannot safely oversee a match with both sets of fans then the match is behind closed doors. |
It's NOT due to the behaviour of Maccabi fans.Read the report. They clearly state it is down to safety concerns from potential protests outside of the ground.
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:15 - Oct 16 with 1258 views | StokieBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 18:52 - Oct 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Who ignored the behaviour of the Macabi fans? At the time I condemned their disgusting racist behaviour and genocidal chanting.
Your second point is bizarre. There should be no "but" after "that clearly doesn't excuse any targeting of Jewish people". |
Agreed, my sentence structure in that paragraph wasn't the best. There is no excuse for targeting of Jewish people in the manner that happened.
My clause was attempting to refer to your initial posts in this thread which I felt left out some context around the situation which I could have worded better.
SB [Post edited 16 Oct 19:16]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:16 - Oct 16 with 1243 views | vapour_trail |
Given we’ve gone there now with this thread.
WTF was Gianni Infantino doing at the peace summit to get Trumps deal signed. |  |
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| Yeah probably..... on 19:19 - Oct 16 with 1222 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Yeah probably..... on 19:11 - Oct 16 by GlasgowBlue |
It's NOT due to the behaviour of Maccabi fans.Read the report. They clearly state it is down to safety concerns from potential protests outside of the ground.
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Indeed. Hence why I stated it is a worrying stance and not an issue for UEFA. If the police feel it is the action they have to take, surely it should be to direct the match to be played behind closed doors. That still wouldn't sit well with me. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:20 - Oct 16 with 1201 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:15 - Oct 16 by StokieBlue |
Agreed, my sentence structure in that paragraph wasn't the best. There is no excuse for targeting of Jewish people in the manner that happened.
My clause was attempting to refer to your initial posts in this thread which I felt left out some context around the situation which I could have worded better.
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Thanks. However my op was correct inasmuch as the away fans being banned from attending is not due to the actions of the Maccabi fans. If you banned fans from European competitions for singing disgusting songs, tearing down flags and general hooliganism then there wouldn't be many games where away fans would attend.
Maccabi fans have not been banned from European games. they have attended other games since November 7th 2024. This is due to "safety concerns from outside the stadium bowl and the ability to deal with any potential protests on the night".
So I was correct to say this follows on from the anti semitic attacks in Amsterdam.
edit. Once again this is not excusing the behavior of the Maccabi fans. [Post edited 16 Oct 19:27]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:25 - Oct 16 with 1194 views | redrickstuhaart |
Ridiculous in the wider sense certainly. Though not really surprising that there is fear of protests and issues in a city with a significant muslim population, around the visit of a football team who are somehow still allowed to take part in international / European matches despite being in a country found by the UN to be committing genocide. |  | | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:25 - Oct 16 with 1199 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’m not sure why Israeli teams aren’t banned from European competitions as Russian teams (rightly) have been.
Seems an easily avoidable situation. | | | |
| FFS, inevitably..... on 19:26 - Oct 16 with 1189 views | Cafe_Newman |
| FFS, inevitably..... on 19:08 - Oct 16 by vapour_trail |
Hmm. Yes you definitely didn’t think this would be provocative.
Israel and its clubs should be out of all competitive football anyway, given they have been breaking FIFA and UEFA regulations for years for playing Israeli FA sanctioned football on the West Bank. |
Well said. It has nothing to do with hatred of Jews. It has everything to do with flouting rules, being racist and committing a genocide |  | | |
| Yeah probably..... on 19:28 - Oct 16 with 1174 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Yeah probably..... on 19:05 - Oct 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Certainly a worrying precedent that local police can determine whether away fans attend matches. Where does that end?
If there is an issue due to the behaviour of Maccabi fans then UEFA should take action.
Otherwise, it seems reasonable that if the police genuinely think they cannot safely oversee a match with both sets of fans then the match is behind closed doors. |
It doesn’t need to end, doesn’t even need to start, if fans behave themselves. I don’t blame them for looking at what happened in Amsterdam and thinking ‘sod it, we don’t need any of that’. They have far more people across Birmingham to think about than a minority of trouble making fans. If not for the chaos in Amsterdam, then yes I’d be worried about overreach, but with that precedent then it’s a sensible call imo. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:32 - Oct 16 with 1147 views | vapour_trail |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:25 - Oct 16 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’m not sure why Israeli teams aren’t banned from European competitions as Russian teams (rightly) have been.
Seems an easily avoidable situation. |
I’m very sure why. It’s geopolitics.
Infantino is in thrall to Trump in the lead up to WC26 as he was to Putin for WC18, and will be to the Saudis when it’s their turn.
He’s not going to do anything that pisses of the Americans right now, so Israel get a free pass. If this was happening before a Saudi World Cup, I suspect the fifa response looks different. | |
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| Yeah probably..... on 19:33 - Oct 16 with 1138 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Yeah probably..... on 19:28 - Oct 16 by Swansea_Blue |
It doesn’t need to end, doesn’t even need to start, if fans behave themselves. I don’t blame them for looking at what happened in Amsterdam and thinking ‘sod it, we don’t need any of that’. They have far more people across Birmingham to think about than a minority of trouble making fans. If not for the chaos in Amsterdam, then yes I’d be worried about overreach, but with that precedent then it’s a sensible call imo. |
I am not sure it is anything like as simple as that, and even if it were could that not be used by the police to ban Ipswich fans attending at Norwich because someone threw an empty can on Delia's bonnet ... or a fan threw a flare on the pitch at PR? | |
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| Yeah probably..... on 20:07 - Oct 16 with 1078 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Yeah probably..... on 19:33 - Oct 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I am not sure it is anything like as simple as that, and even if it were could that not be used by the police to ban Ipswich fans attending at Norwich because someone threw an empty can on Delia's bonnet ... or a fan threw a flare on the pitch at PR? |
I wouldn’t say those are comparable. There were some pretty horrible attacks in Amsterdam, not just between fans but also fans going on, as Glassers called it, “a Jew Hunt”. And then Israelis going on a “Muslim hunt” and attacking the public. It’s a level above a fan chucking a beer can. But I understand your point. I’m not entirely sure where lines should be drawn. In this case I’m thinking violence spilling over to the local residents is over the line, but maybe that’s too lenient or too strict. I’m not sure. | |
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| Yeah probably..... on 20:50 - Oct 16 with 990 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Yeah probably..... on 20:07 - Oct 16 by Swansea_Blue |
I wouldn’t say those are comparable. There were some pretty horrible attacks in Amsterdam, not just between fans but also fans going on, as Glassers called it, “a Jew Hunt”. And then Israelis going on a “Muslim hunt” and attacking the public. It’s a level above a fan chucking a beer can. But I understand your point. I’m not entirely sure where lines should be drawn. In this case I’m thinking violence spilling over to the local residents is over the line, but maybe that’s too lenient or too strict. I’m not sure. |
Funny enough, there weren't any attacks between fans. Ajax are know as the Spurs of the Netherlands with historical Jewish roots. Before the game the Maccabi and Ajax fans were partying together.
*ignore the nasty dog whistle in the post about Middle Eastern migrants. It's the only way I could post the video.
btw I didn't coin the phrase Jew Hunt". Those were the words used by the people coordinating the attacks against anyone who looked Jewish or were helping Jews when they were being attacked.
“jodenjacht” means Jew Hunt.
What seems to be missed or deliberately ignored in this is that the attacks against Jews were premeditated days before the game and not in response to the appalling behavior of some Maccabi fans.
There was no "Muslim hunt". Other than your post, that's the first time i've seen that phrase used to describe the behavior of the Maccabi fans. There were no charges against Maccabi fans for attacking "Muslims". There were prosecutions and convictions with regards to the people who organised and took part in the jodenjacht.
You seem determined to both sides that awful night, despite attacks on Jews in Amsterdam continuing in the days after the Maccabi fans had flown home.
To simplify, 1. Maccabi fans chanting anti-Arab songs and genocidal songs, ripping down Palestinian flags and engaging in hooliganism on match day is disgusting.
2. Pogroms to hunt Jews in the streets, throwing into canals, attempted stabbings, head-stamping organised days before match day, are far worse.
Surely you can see that 1) does not make 2) ok, and people should be able to admit that 2) is far worse and not use whatbouttery.
Anyway, that's me out. This was do to death at the time.
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:01 - Oct 16 with 963 views | Perublue |
Common sense in the current climate to ban away fans
It’s quite common in Peru in fact it’s law that all away fans are banned for … common sense… it’s an arse but it’s necessary. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:13 - Oct 16 with 926 views | SitfcB |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:19 - Oct 16 with 882 views | vapour_trail |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:13 - Oct 16 by SitfcB |
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Does this mean we like Kier today then? | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:27 - Oct 16 with 860 views | bluelagos |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:01 - Oct 16 by Perublue |
Common sense in the current climate to ban away fans
It’s quite common in Peru in fact it’s law that all away fans are banned for … common sense… it’s an arse but it’s necessary. |
I went to two matches at Allianz Lima and there were away fans, 6 years ago.
Is that a new thing? |  |
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| FFS, inevitably..... on 21:45 - Oct 16 with 813 views | noggin |
| FFS, inevitably..... on 18:43 - Oct 16 by Bloots |
....this has every chance of turning into an antisemitic/anti Isreal thread.
I should have known better really.
Phillip if this starts going in the usual direction feel free to delete it before it gets out of hand.
Cheers. |
Like you didn’t know exactly what you were doing with this thread. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:56 - Oct 16 with 780 views | Perublue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:27 - Oct 16 by bluelagos |
I went to two matches at Allianz Lima and there were away fans, 6 years ago.
Is that a new thing? |
Newish .. it was after a few deaths. | |
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| FFS, inevitably..... on 22:04 - Oct 16 with 760 views | vapour_trail |
| FFS, inevitably..... on 21:45 - Oct 16 by noggin |
Like you didn’t know exactly what you were doing with this thread. |
I make you 100% right noggin.
Don’t even need to look at who’s pressing the downvote button.
These people. | |
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| Finally stopped..... on 22:06 - Oct 16 with 744 views | Bloots |
| FFS, inevitably..... on 21:45 - Oct 16 by noggin |
Like you didn’t know exactly what you were doing with this thread. |
....pretending to have me on ignore then?
You silly old sod. | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:17 - Oct 16 with 688 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:13 - Oct 16 by SitfcB |
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Is this where we officially realise that the prospect of anti Israel (and representatives of the genocidal state of Israel) protests are to be characterised as antisemitic? But we were told it could never happen. [Post edited 17 Oct 6:47]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:26 - Oct 16 with 640 views | bluelagos |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:56 - Oct 16 by Perublue |
Newish .. it was after a few deaths. |
Blimey, missed that. The one that did get some coverage was a club game in Mexico where fans attacked other fans and killed them, really brutal clips. | |
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