| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? 19:52 - Oct 27 with 3778 views | Swansea_Blue |
Surely now everyone can see what Reform are? I hope. It’s not even subtle racism any more. |  |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 20:05 - Oct 27 with 2830 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
I caught a bit of Farage's press conference live online today and was shocked at the quantity of live comments, you could almost hear the sound of scraping knuckles. Surely that must be a bot thing. |  |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 21:35 - Oct 27 with 2588 views | Guthrum |
Which is why without Farage, they would be nothing. The rest of them are politically incompetent or too intent on squabbling over the anticipated spoils. |  |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 21:45 - Oct 27 with 2540 views | Bigalhunter |
It’s like we’re back in the 1970s suffering the latest Love thy Neighbour followed by a bit of Bernard Manning on The Comedians.
Utterly depressing that some will celebrate that… |  |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 22:16 - Oct 27 with 2456 views | Whos_blue |
It wasn't racist. It was ugly.
Says Nige. |  |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 05:17 - Oct 28 with 2193 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 21:35 - Oct 27 by Guthrum |
Which is why without Farage, they would be nothing. The rest of them are politically incompetent or too intent on squabbling over the anticipated spoils. |
I agree with that. Love him or loath him, Farage has always been good at manipulation and staying just about on the right side of the line in terms of what’s acceptable in the mainstream. He’s doing it again in the way he’s criticising her comments somewhat lamely. | |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 06:47 - Oct 28 with 2082 views | Steve_M |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 05:17 - Oct 28 by Swansea_Blue |
I agree with that. Love him or loath him, Farage has always been good at manipulation and staying just about on the right side of the line in terms of what’s acceptable in the mainstream. He’s doing it again in the way he’s criticising her comments somewhat lamely. |
Farage is also being forced out of his comfort zone by the extreme radicalisation to the right of him. And the more places like X are filled with obscene racial hatred the worse it gets.
Nigel is loathed by a lot of people in this country to start with, i think thus trend can only attach more sh1t to him. It would help if more of the blame for Brexit was pushed his way though. |  |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 08:02 - Oct 28 with 1883 views | BlueBoots |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 06:47 - Oct 28 by Steve_M |
Farage is also being forced out of his comfort zone by the extreme radicalisation to the right of him. And the more places like X are filled with obscene racial hatred the worse it gets.
Nigel is loathed by a lot of people in this country to start with, i think thus trend can only attach more sh1t to him. It would help if more of the blame for Brexit was pushed his way though. |
Worrying that Farage and Reform are even no longer right wing enough for Elon Musk (who has the power to manipulate the X algorithms to push his own agendas)
We're still a long way from the next general election, and I'm sure there are going to be a lot more twists and turns in the political landscape before then. |  |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 08:26 - Oct 28 with 1795 views | MattinLondon |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 05:17 - Oct 28 by Swansea_Blue |
I agree with that. Love him or loath him, Farage has always been good at manipulation and staying just about on the right side of the line in terms of what’s acceptable in the mainstream. He’s doing it again in the way he’s criticising her comments somewhat lamely. |
I’m not so sure that I agree with your post.
He benefits from having a largely right-wing press being complicit in not criticising him or his words. Even the BBC rarely criticise him out of fear of being viewed as too leftist. I used to think that hate-preachers Farage was a good public speaker but again, I’m not that sure. Yes, he’s good at deflection and at talking utter rubbish but when he is actually held to account, he quickly runs out of ideas.
If he ever becomes PM or gets an important job, he would be an utter embarrassment and be quickly dismissed by other leaders. |  | | |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 09:11 - Oct 28 with 1630 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 08:26 - Oct 28 by MattinLondon |
I’m not so sure that I agree with your post.
He benefits from having a largely right-wing press being complicit in not criticising him or his words. Even the BBC rarely criticise him out of fear of being viewed as too leftist. I used to think that hate-preachers Farage was a good public speaker but again, I’m not that sure. Yes, he’s good at deflection and at talking utter rubbish but when he is actually held to account, he quickly runs out of ideas.
If he ever becomes PM or gets an important job, he would be an utter embarrassment and be quickly dismissed by other leaders. |
I’m not sure we’re at odds. I certainly agree he’s got nothing beyond his populist schtick and gets a free ride from much of the press. The question is how far will the media and public opinion on the right will let him go. | |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 09:24 - Oct 28 with 1579 views | MattinLondon |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 09:11 - Oct 28 by Swansea_Blue |
I’m not sure we’re at odds. I certainly agree he’s got nothing beyond his populist schtick and gets a free ride from much of the press. The question is how far will the media and public opinion on the right will let him go. |
Probably as soon as the Tories reset into a more centre right party and so neglecting the need to court Reform? If they then become more popular amongst the middle ground some sections of the media may well decide that they want to be onside to that new appeal.
Maybe I’m clutching there. Strangely at the moment, if Labour or the Tories were to reset, disown brexit and become less Reformy then it’ll the Tories. Which is a distressing thought in itself. | | | |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 09:40 - Oct 28 with 1518 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 05:17 - Oct 28 by Swansea_Blue |
I agree with that. Love him or loath him, Farage has always been good at manipulation and staying just about on the right side of the line in terms of what’s acceptable in the mainstream. He’s doing it again in the way he’s criticising her comments somewhat lamely. |
He's even "better" than that.
Watch interviews with him. He answers questions, often in only one or two sentences.
No other politician does that, these days. They've all been trained to crowbar their soundbite in, and are all petrified of saying something unauthorised, or something that will make them look stupid when it is dug up in six months time.
Meanwhile, Farage looks the questioner in the eye and gives a straight answer.
Of course it is easier if you are running a personality cult and what you say IS the policy (like Trump, too).
But it is a real skill, and he is a very deft operator. I can understand why so much of "Middle England" "like him" and "think that he's a good guy". It's because they think he is honest, and they are tired of politicians who will sell out their principles or just waffle on and on without saying anything.
He also has the advantage of only being on the attack. He has no record to defend. It will be interesting to see what happens in the General Election in areas where Reform are now turning the Councils they lead into a cross between Birds of a Feather and Succession on a daily basis. |  | | |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 09:42 - Oct 28 with 1498 views | Mullet |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 09:40 - Oct 28 by ArnoldMoorhen |
He's even "better" than that.
Watch interviews with him. He answers questions, often in only one or two sentences.
No other politician does that, these days. They've all been trained to crowbar their soundbite in, and are all petrified of saying something unauthorised, or something that will make them look stupid when it is dug up in six months time.
Meanwhile, Farage looks the questioner in the eye and gives a straight answer.
Of course it is easier if you are running a personality cult and what you say IS the policy (like Trump, too).
But it is a real skill, and he is a very deft operator. I can understand why so much of "Middle England" "like him" and "think that he's a good guy". It's because they think he is honest, and they are tired of politicians who will sell out their principles or just waffle on and on without saying anything.
He also has the advantage of only being on the attack. He has no record to defend. It will be interesting to see what happens in the General Election in areas where Reform are now turning the Councils they lead into a cross between Birds of a Feather and Succession on a daily basis. |
It baffles me that even a paper-thin Google of him shows he's a vile Russian bought fascist. Same with Stephen Yaxley Lennon and his paedo friends.
Yet it isn't enough to have them laughed out of the country or into a jail cell. |  |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 09:44 - Oct 28 with 1500 views | tractorboy1978 |
A bit contradictory that she is being called racist for counting black faces by some people that also clearly make a conscious effort to count the number of black/minority faces in adverts though. For different reasons but nonetheless true. | | | |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 09:54 - Oct 28 with 1445 views | Blueschev |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 09:40 - Oct 28 by ArnoldMoorhen |
He's even "better" than that.
Watch interviews with him. He answers questions, often in only one or two sentences.
No other politician does that, these days. They've all been trained to crowbar their soundbite in, and are all petrified of saying something unauthorised, or something that will make them look stupid when it is dug up in six months time.
Meanwhile, Farage looks the questioner in the eye and gives a straight answer.
Of course it is easier if you are running a personality cult and what you say IS the policy (like Trump, too).
But it is a real skill, and he is a very deft operator. I can understand why so much of "Middle England" "like him" and "think that he's a good guy". It's because they think he is honest, and they are tired of politicians who will sell out their principles or just waffle on and on without saying anything.
He also has the advantage of only being on the attack. He has no record to defend. It will be interesting to see what happens in the General Election in areas where Reform are now turning the Councils they lead into a cross between Birds of a Feather and Succession on a daily basis. |
I think he's awful when challenged. He gets flustered, angry, doubles down, and uses the phrase, "you know what" over and over again. The problem is that he doesn't get scrutinised anywhere near enough and often spouts drivel almost unopposed for some bizarre reason. |  | | |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 10:41 - Oct 28 with 1329 views | SomethingBlue |
Unfortunately they have turned this into a conversation, a discussion, even a question (as framed by Robert Peston for example) so their strategy is working superbly. Most of the media are deeply complicit, whether intentionally or not. | |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:00 - Oct 28 with 1291 views | brazil1982 |
Someone has - report commissioned by C4
"It asserts that while black people account for around 4 per cent of the UK population they appear in more than 50 per cent of commercials." |  | | |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:15 - Oct 28 with 1232 views | Mullet |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:00 - Oct 28 by brazil1982 |
Someone has - report commissioned by C4
"It asserts that while black people account for around 4 per cent of the UK population they appear in more than 50 per cent of commercials." |
Yeah but no one really disputes that or cares do they? It’s the vitriol and hatred she let slip out which is the problem. Who even watches adverts these days, let alone gets worked up about them?
The country has so many issues after the Tories wrecked it and she’s spending her time worried about this sort of thing. She’s a nasty, sneering bigot and has done nothing but push that since she worked her way into office. | |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:36 - Oct 28 with 1173 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:00 - Oct 28 by brazil1982 |
Someone has - report commissioned by C4
"It asserts that while black people account for around 4 per cent of the UK population they appear in more than 50 per cent of commercials." |
And what percentage of commercials feature white people? 95?
Very slippery stat given most ads have more than one person in them. | | | |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:46 - Oct 28 with 1135 views | tcblue |
As one of the 4 percent, it really does trouble me how real it feels that Fartrage as PM in the future lately.
Not so much that he'd be an unmitigated disaster - he and Reform wouldn't do enough work to be effective idiots - but that clearly the "it's okay to be racists" groundswell of support in the nation  | | | |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:48 - Oct 28 with 1129 views | leitrimblue |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:00 - Oct 28 by brazil1982 |
Someone has - report commissioned by C4
"It asserts that while black people account for around 4 per cent of the UK population they appear in more than 50 per cent of commercials." |
And how does that make you feel? |  | | |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:51 - Oct 28 with 1108 views | NedPlimpton |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:00 - Oct 28 by brazil1982 |
Someone has - report commissioned by C4
"It asserts that while black people account for around 4 per cent of the UK population they appear in more than 50 per cent of commercials." |
Of course there's over-representation. It's a deliberate attempt to promote inclusivity, make whole communities feel like products are for them too when they've historically only seen white faces advertising products, and generally just making up for years of under representation of black and Asian faces on screen
What I don't really understand is why anyone is upset or offended by it? |  | | |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:55 - Oct 28 with 1097 views | Kievthegreat |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:00 - Oct 28 by brazil1982 |
Someone has - report commissioned by C4
"It asserts that while black people account for around 4 per cent of the UK population they appear in more than 50 per cent of commercials." |
Black people are the most represented (relative to total size), although one thing to remember is that 50% of adverts have a black person appear can range from the lead role dominating the screen, or because someone standing in the background is Black. If you have 10 random people from the UK appear on screen, statistically you'd expect to see a Black person 34% of the time.
The same report also found that while there were more ethnic minorities appearing as characters on screen year on year, they still get less screentime than non-ethnic minorities and less talking parts. Part of this is because montage adverts which can cycle through lots of characters are becoming more prevalent and account for nearly 50% of ads featuring minorities. This is also the preferred format for tokenistic ads which do not make minorities feel represented, but probably rile up those people like Pochin. |  | | |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 12:11 - Oct 28 with 1018 views | giant_stow |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:51 - Oct 28 by NedPlimpton |
Of course there's over-representation. It's a deliberate attempt to promote inclusivity, make whole communities feel like products are for them too when they've historically only seen white faces advertising products, and generally just making up for years of under representation of black and Asian faces on screen
What I don't really understand is why anyone is upset or offended by it? |
Just as a by the by, what's striking to me isn't that there are lots of adverts with black people in them, but more how many casting directors go for mixed-race actors now. It seems to me, to be a very clear direction of travel and one that i'm part of in a small way when picking imagery for blog articles for a few clients. It's a great way to (rightly) cover bases, but also potentially problematic I spose.
Edit, just to be clear, problematic in the opposite sense to what Nige and his cronies are talking about. [Post edited 28 Oct 12:19]
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 12:11 - Oct 28 with 1017 views | DanTheMan |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:55 - Oct 28 by Kievthegreat |
Black people are the most represented (relative to total size), although one thing to remember is that 50% of adverts have a black person appear can range from the lead role dominating the screen, or because someone standing in the background is Black. If you have 10 random people from the UK appear on screen, statistically you'd expect to see a Black person 34% of the time.
The same report also found that while there were more ethnic minorities appearing as characters on screen year on year, they still get less screentime than non-ethnic minorities and less talking parts. Part of this is because montage adverts which can cycle through lots of characters are becoming more prevalent and account for nearly 50% of ads featuring minorities. This is also the preferred format for tokenistic ads which do not make minorities feel represented, but probably rile up those people like Pochin. |
It's very telling that the reporting on this grabs one tiny part of the whole report and makes it sound like 50% of people shown in adverts. As you say, it shows that a hell of a lot of these are in montages.
And an even more important thing to highlight is that in the report it shows that inclusive advertising on the whole makes companies more money. Shocking stuff. I wonder why everyone does it? |  |
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| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 12:20 - Oct 28 with 966 views | J2BLUE |
| Does anyone here count the black faces in adverts? on 11:00 - Oct 28 by brazil1982 |
Someone has - report commissioned by C4
"It asserts that while black people account for around 4 per cent of the UK population they appear in more than 50 per cent of commercials." |
Society is a pendulum. The more you try and force it one way the harder it will swing back the other way.
Black people people were massively underrepresented and now it has swung the other way. It's natural and will balance out. |  |
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