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Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 14:56 - Nov 5 by Zx1988
Given that approximately 260 prisoners a year are incorrectly released from either prison or court (I'm intrigued to know how you've come to the conclusion that *all* of them are dangerous), I would suggest that this is a much bigger problem than just the current Government.
The stats would suggest it is a particular problem for the current government
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Ahh..hmmmm..cough….ignore…..logs off… (n/t) on 20:05 - Nov 5 with 1192 views
Investing in services and infrastructure in 2014 when we had low interest rates and plenty of headroom might have put us in a better position now where perhaps we wouldn’t be so hugely overtaxed.
Not committing financial suicide in 2016 might have put us in a better position now where perhaps we wouldn’t be so hugely overtaxed.
Not losing hundreds of millions of pounds in dodgy contracts to Tory friends might have put us in a better position now where perhaps we wouldn’t be so hugely overtaxed.
But I’m not an economist, I don’t know. I know I wasn’t dumb enough to vote for Brexit and a bunch of cnts either side of it though.
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You're a very strange individual. (n/t) on 21:51 - Nov 5 with 1092 views
Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 20:05 - Nov 5 by Clapham_Junction
The stats would suggest it is a particular problem for the current government
It strike me that these figures may well reflect the increased early release of prisoners, caused by the fact that there is not sufficient prison capacity.
And in the case of Wandsworth, something like a 30% lack of prison staff will not help either.
As I've said before, austerity has its consequences.
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Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 10:40 - Nov 6 with 881 views
Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 10:06 - Nov 6 by DJR
It strike me that these figures may well reflect the increased early release of prisoners, caused by the fact that there is not sufficient prison capacity.
And in the case of Wandsworth, something like a 30% lack of prison staff will not help either.
As I've said before, austerity has its consequences.
[Post edited 6 Nov 10:08]
As if to prove my point.
The Prison Governors Association has just issued a lengthy statement about prisoners being released in error. Without discussing particular cases, it argues that these mistakes are happening because the system is in crisis and underfunded.
Here are the main points.
The PGA says releases in error (RiEs, in prison jargon) have happened under every government and “most practitioners, informed commentators, and impartial experts recognise this”.
It says RiEs happen because the case management system is “complex and under-resourced”.
It says “unprecedented” pressures have made the problem worse. The system is “running hot, and under constant strain”, it says.
It says stopping all errors would require “substantial investment in staff training, modern IT infrastructure, and recruitment, all within a system already stretched by competing priorities”.
It suggests the Conservatives are being “disingenuous” in trying to exploit this issue politically.
The PGA says austerity left many prisons “without the flexibility they need to respond to local challenges”.
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Ahh..hmmmm..cough….ignore…..logs off… (n/t) on 11:17 - Nov 6 with 859 views
Under the last Tory govt, on average 17 prisoners were wrongly released every month.
Tax rises - we will be paying the price for a generation for the Truss budgetary disaster plus the deliberate and criminal fleecing of taxpayers during Covid (not that I'd Mone about that)...
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Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 14:39 - Nov 6 with 722 views
Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 14:39 - Nov 6 by Vaughan8
It's almost like Labour had no idea how bad it was when they made their pledge to not raise taxes...............!
To say that was a bit stupid and now they're going to face the backlash.
Positivity has a large part of the answer. They in effect reduced employee National Insurance by 4p in two chunks in the first half of 2024 knowing full well that it was not affordable and was basically a bear trap for Labour.
That equates to an unfunded £12billion tax cut.
Reversing that covers circa 50% of what Labour need to do re tax rises/savings and they should do it now and lay the blame where it belongs with Sunak & Hunt.
Labour as a government have been truly shocking since last July and have no real plan or vision.
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Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 16:25 - Nov 6 with 624 views
Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 15:47 - Nov 6 by BLUEGOLD
Positivity has a large part of the answer. They in effect reduced employee National Insurance by 4p in two chunks in the first half of 2024 knowing full well that it was not affordable and was basically a bear trap for Labour.
That equates to an unfunded £12billion tax cut.
Reversing that covers circa 50% of what Labour need to do re tax rises/savings and they should do it now and lay the blame where it belongs with Sunak & Hunt.
Labour as a government have been truly shocking since last July and have no real plan or vision.
You don't believe what the Tories said at the time?
The main rate of employee National Insurance has been cut for 27 million workers from 12% to 8%, saving the average employee on £35,400 over £900 a year. An average full-time nurse will save £1,053, a typical junior doctor £1,508 and an average teacher £1,270.
These cuts are possible because the economy is turning a corner, thanks to the government’s decisive action that has helped bring inflation down from 11.1% to 3.2% and ensure borrowing costs start to fall. Because of this progress, the government can now cut taxes to reward work and grow the economy.
These tax cuts – worth over £20 billion a year – have been achievable while protecting spending including keeping the Triple Lock and the government has commitment to going further only when it’s possible to do so.
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Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 16:25 - Nov 6 with 621 views
Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 15:01 - Nov 5 by positivity
if the tories hadn't put in their ridiculous election bribe tax cut, then we wouldn't have so much of a deficit and wouldn't need to claw back that money.
i do agree that labour were foolish to argue against tax rises, when it was patently obvious that they were necessary.
I think you'll find that Reeves has previously stated that her last budget cleared up this 'mess'. You know, the fabled black hole that never really existed.
She claimed it had been cleared up so sadly for you tyhat argument is over!
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Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 16:33 - Nov 6 with 614 views
Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 15:21 - Nov 5 by Basuco
Rachel Reeves. Impending tax rises - Brexit causing huge hit to GDP, giving large sums to Tory donors for dodgy contracts not delivered. Liz Truss crashing the economy. Huge amounts of red tape to export goods causing drop in exports. No trade deal with the EU. David Lammy. Dangerous prisoners wrongly released - Under funding caused huge job cuts in the prison service by Tories. Failing to stop the boats - Brexit removed the Dublin agreement, immigration went up 4 fold following brexit, the return agreement was scrapped by the Tories.
All the points about Brexit, Exports, Liz Truss, dodgy contracts (full house on the socialist bingo card) were known by Reeves last year. She claimed she had cleared up the mess. In reality the disastrous decisions she has taken has cauded this and every economist knows it.
There have been double the number of prisoners wrongly released in the year under labour then there were with the tories. How on earth can funding be to blame for incompetence and admin failures?
You cannot return an immigrant if they have thrown away their papers and refuse to tell you where they are from. the rise in immigration and small boats was faxced by all european countries which suggests that it is nothing to do with Brexit.
So in reality you are wrong on all 3 points.
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Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 16:39 - Nov 6 with 601 views
Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 16:33 - Nov 6 by HotShotHamish
All the points about Brexit, Exports, Liz Truss, dodgy contracts (full house on the socialist bingo card) were known by Reeves last year. She claimed she had cleared up the mess. In reality the disastrous decisions she has taken has cauded this and every economist knows it.
There have been double the number of prisoners wrongly released in the year under labour then there were with the tories. How on earth can funding be to blame for incompetence and admin failures?
You cannot return an immigrant if they have thrown away their papers and refuse to tell you where they are from. the rise in immigration and small boats was faxced by all european countries which suggests that it is nothing to do with Brexit.
Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 20:05 - Nov 5 by Clapham_Junction
The stats would suggest it is a particular problem for the current government
That's not to say it can't be linked to the Tories. Not that it's pretty reading for anyone. Ironically, I don't think there has been enough time for them to truly implement anything that will change the criminal justice system to that extent.
They may have had to react to the fact that there were literally no prison places left at various points, due to the Tories lack of planning or caring in a sinking ship, and so had to bodge a system of early release which has clearly gone extra wrong. But to paint it, as some have, that labour have somehow taken over these things in the OP and done so much to ruin them off their own bat in isolation from anything else, in 18 months is fanciful at best.
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Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 18:25 - Nov 6 with 524 views
Justice spending peaked in 2007–08. The resource (day-to-day) budget, which comprises around 85% of the total, fell by one-third (33%) in real terms between 2007–08 and 2016–17. In 2025–26, real-terms day-to-day spending by the MoJ is still set to be 14% lower than in 2007–08, and 24% lower in per-person terms (adjusting for population growth in England and Wales). Strikingly, real-terms day-to-day justice spending in 2025–26 is set to be no higher than it was in 2002–03, almost a quarter of a century earlier, and around 16% lower in per-person terms.
MoJ capital funding was cut by 70% over the early 2010s and, within this, capital funding for both HM Courts and Tribunals Service and HM Prison and Probation Service was cut by more than 90%. Between 2007–08 and 2025–26, cumulative MoJ capital spending was 16% lower than it would have been had spending instead been maintained at its 2007–08 real-terms level for that entire period.
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Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 18:57 - Nov 6 with 483 views
Getting a bit of tired of blaming the Tories for all the mess now on 16:33 - Nov 6 by HotShotHamish
All the points about Brexit, Exports, Liz Truss, dodgy contracts (full house on the socialist bingo card) were known by Reeves last year. She claimed she had cleared up the mess. In reality the disastrous decisions she has taken has cauded this and every economist knows it.
There have been double the number of prisoners wrongly released in the year under labour then there were with the tories. How on earth can funding be to blame for incompetence and admin failures?
You cannot return an immigrant if they have thrown away their papers and refuse to tell you where they are from. the rise in immigration and small boats was faxced by all european countries which suggests that it is nothing to do with Brexit.
So in reality you are wrong on all 3 points.
A level of ignorance and stupidity that is impressive well done you
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You're a very strange individual. (n/t) on 20:42 - Nov 6 with 421 views
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