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Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 11:12 - Nov 18 by Crawfordsboot
On the other hand some might reasonably say:
You are welcome here as a refugee whilst your country is unsafe on the understanding that you agree to return to your country of origin once it is safe for you to do so.
Not convinced anyone who has been here a number of years, especially if they are net contributor, should be forced to leave.
Nothing wrong with asking people if they want to return to their country of origin though.
Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 11:24 - Nov 18 by GlasgowBlue
It never ceases to amaze me how the Grauniad's most hallowed laws on how middle aged white blokes can or should speak about or describe people of colour just get tossed into the bin when the poc in question is a politician they have decided not to like. He is just a few words short of calling her a coconut FFS.
That's a bizarre take on what is clearly rather near-to-the bone satire.
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Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 11:41 - Nov 18 with 1092 views
Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 08:50 - Nov 18 by lowhouseblue
but what you always leave out of your take on this is the electorate. over 70 % think that immigration has been too high. reform have gained from that because until now the other parties have, despite tory rhetoric, simply ignored it*. once you get past treating the bulk of the electorate as easily manipulated malign fools, it is the electorate which have set and dominated this agenda. a government will not now be re-elected if it fails to grapple with the issues that most of the electorate have consistently identified as their top priorities - economic prosperity, the nhs, and ... immigration.
*and it's not just that reform have gained by reflecting public priorities on this, they have also benefited from a general decline in trust in politics as other parties have ignored the issue.
You make a very sound observation on what is the reality. It is the ignoring of the reality by politicians that has compounded the issue. For the life of me I don’t know why your post has been down voted.
I would though separate out planned and controlled immigration and refugees. We as a country with an ageing population need immigrants who want to work and contribute. They can bring energy and contribute as taxpayers. We should establish a clear legal path for qualifying immigrants to enter the country.
For refugees we should support those genuinely in need of a safe haven refuge. Again we need a clear system that enables this BUT does not enable economic migrants to enter in the guise of refugees only to milk the system that is currently failing. The failure of successive governments to deal with this has allowed the likes of Reform and the gutter press to feed the frustration felt across the UK. It also impacts the publics take on ordinary immigration and genuine refugees.
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Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 13:15 - Nov 18 with 1001 views
Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 09:45 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue
You're just playing the "but both sides" card as you always do, there are lots of studies showing people's beliefs around immigration aren't based in facts and evidence.
The housing crisis example you've highlighted isn't the fault of immigration, it's the fault of 20+ years of failed government policy around social housing. You've just given a prime example of where immigration is blamed for something that's actually a systematic failure of something else.
SB
has net migration of 3 million over 4 years made the housing crisis worse?
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 13:27 - Nov 18 with 988 views
Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 10:13 - Nov 18 by itfcjoe
But whether it's failed Govt policy on social housing or not [which I don't disagree with], we are where we are and that can't be corrected with a wave of a wand.
So the point stands, and people can't get social housing and see the majority of it filled by non British born people in urban areas - so what is the solution for now?
Where is the evidence for your final sentence?
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Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 13:33 - Nov 18 with 967 views
Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 11:12 - Nov 18 by Crawfordsboot
On the other hand some might reasonably say:
You are welcome here as a refugee whilst your country is unsafe on the understanding that you agree to return to your country of origin once it is safe for you to do so.
But who/what would be the arbiter of safety?
Similarly, why should a refugee bother to integrate, put down roots, and do their best to be a strong part of society, when all their hard work could be destroyed by a knock at the door, telling them it's time to go back to where they came from?
What of any kids that they may have whilst they're here, who won't have known anything other than British life and education? Is it fair and reasonable to say 'sorry, but we reckon Syria is safe now. Off you pop, and here's an English/Arabic phrasebook to help you out."?
Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 09:45 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue
You're just playing the "but both sides" card as you always do, there are lots of studies showing people's beliefs around immigration aren't based in facts and evidence.
The housing crisis example you've highlighted isn't the fault of immigration, it's the fault of 20+ years of failed government policy around social housing. You've just given a prime example of where immigration is blamed for something that's actually a systematic failure of something else.
SB
You only have to wander into your local and get people talking - their take on the facts is miles out. The mis-information on this topic is immense. The prevailing r wing media, Tories and Reform spread lies on a daily basis E.g. had to convince someone only recently that immigrants don't automatically get given mobile phones on arrival - even Rylan said it on national tv ffs Lowdown always ignores this side of the debate. Was gobsmacked to see his being a lifelong Labour supporter/member given his out on here the last couple of years And no I am not denying the significance of immigration as an issue
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Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 13:41 - Nov 18 with 951 views
This Labour Party are all over the place from a strategy point of view. The general apathy of the last 14 years has been inherited by them, continuing that downward spiral.
They are too scared of the hard right to talk against it or to come up with an alternative strategy that might be seen as woke or soft etc.
I am disappointed in them but that's what you get with Red Tories running the ship. I don't believe we have a political system which allows a centre left candidate to become Prime Minister.
The Hard Right talk about a Uniparty, there's probably some element of truth about that sadly.
The whole system is broken in my opinion and Reform are a terrifying answer to the wrong questions really. I just hope the general public are smart enough to realise how damaging a Reform Government would be when we get to the next election.
Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 13:33 - Nov 18 by Zx1988
But who/what would be the arbiter of safety?
Similarly, why should a refugee bother to integrate, put down roots, and do their best to be a strong part of society, when all their hard work could be destroyed by a knock at the door, telling them it's time to go back to where they came from?
What of any kids that they may have whilst they're here, who won't have known anything other than British life and education? Is it fair and reasonable to say 'sorry, but we reckon Syria is safe now. Off you pop, and here's an English/Arabic phrasebook to help you out."?
Presumably the same people who adjudicated it initially as being unsafe. Their views can’t be acceptable only when they give the answer an individual might want to hear.
Second para - Fair point but an integrated individual/family (language & work) could be given additional points/priority to remain as an immigrant. It needs a coherent overall approach.
Third para: Some might feel that family planning is a parents responsibility. Plenty of people put off kids until they have a house etc.
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Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 15:05 - Nov 18 with 866 views
Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 14:47 - Nov 18 by Crawfordsboot
Presumably the same people who adjudicated it initially as being unsafe. Their views can’t be acceptable only when they give the answer an individual might want to hear.
Second para - Fair point but an integrated individual/family (language & work) could be given additional points/priority to remain as an immigrant. It needs a coherent overall approach.
Third para: Some might feel that family planning is a parents responsibility. Plenty of people put off kids until they have a house etc.
I see the sense in your third point, and it all probably ties in to the need for a coherent overall approach.
The problem, in my eyes at least, is that we're looking at a twenty-year period here before someone's ability to remain in the UK is confirmed. If a 20-year-old couple come to the UK, and decide to put off having a family until their future is secure, they would be 40 before having children.
Take anyone older and they may even lose the chance to have a family.
I understand your point about waiting for domestic security as well, but there's a huge difference between being at risk of having to move streets/towns, and having to move half-way across the world to a completely different (in cultural terms) country.
Seems like they’re doing something they don’t believe in, to appeal to people outside of their usual voting stream.
I’m not a Labour supporter but like to think I am measured - and I believe Starmer has been an absolute disaster for the Labour Party when after years of Tory mishaps, Labour got back in and could have looked like superstars, just by being competent and professional and not flip flopping ( which seems to be a running theme under this leadership).
Now come Reform filling the gap for both ( whether they will be successful or not is down to opinion, no one knows yet. What most of us can agree on is a lot of reform voters are voting for them because they are tired of both Labour and Conservatives ).
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Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 16:34 - Nov 18 with 717 views
The words of Lou Reed spring to mind when it comes to the mood in this country and the stance of Labour, the Tories and Reform in relation to immigrants, the sick and disabled, those unemployed or otherwise economically inactive, and those overseas in need of aid.
Give me your hungry, your tired, your poor - I'll piss on 'em That's what the Statue of Bigotry says Your poor huddled masses, let's club 'em to death And get it over with and just dump 'em on the boulevard
It's also a cracking song.
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Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 16:56 - Nov 18 with 665 views
Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 16:34 - Nov 18 by DJR
The words of Lou Reed spring to mind when it comes to the mood in this country and the stance of Labour, the Tories and Reform in relation to immigrants, the sick and disabled, those unemployed or otherwise economically inactive, and those overseas in need of aid.
Give me your hungry, your tired, your poor - I'll piss on 'em That's what the Statue of Bigotry says Your poor huddled masses, let's club 'em to death And get it over with and just dump 'em on the boulevard
It's also a cracking song.
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Whatever happened to Christian compassion, which I thought was at the root of the New Testament?
Badenoch describes Church of England as 'Labour party at prayer', as she says letting welfare spending soar 'not Christian'.
Kemi Badenoch has argued that allowing welfare spending to soar would be un-Christian.
She made the comment at her press conference this morning when asked about a speech she gave to the Conservative Christian Fellowship this week where she linked Christian beliefs with welfare cuts.
As the Telegraph reports, Badenoch said:
"St Paul, we read, in the first Epistle to Timothy proclaims that: ‘Anyone who does not provide for his own household … is worse than an unbeliever.’
The Christian recognition that we all have duties … to ourselves, to our families and to the community we are part of. Conservatives believe in making work pay, in rewarding risk, in ensuring effort matches reward.
We also believe a welfare system should be a trampoline, not a trap – cushioning the fall, then propelling you back on your feet. That is not only economically sensible. It is morally right."
At her press conference today, where she stressed the Tories’ commitment to cutting welfare, and claimed taxes were going up in the budget because Keir Starmer was unwilling to rein in welfare spending, Badenoch said:
"Not cutting benefits and allowing the welfare bill to spiral is not a Christian thing to do. Leaving debt for the next generation, piling up liabilities, is not a Christian thing to do."
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Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 17:01 - Nov 18 with 655 views
Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 16:56 - Nov 18 by DJR
Whatever happened to Christian compassion, which I thought was at the root of the New Testament?
Badenoch describes Church of England as 'Labour party at prayer', as she says letting welfare spending soar 'not Christian'.
Kemi Badenoch has argued that allowing welfare spending to soar would be un-Christian.
She made the comment at her press conference this morning when asked about a speech she gave to the Conservative Christian Fellowship this week where she linked Christian beliefs with welfare cuts.
As the Telegraph reports, Badenoch said:
"St Paul, we read, in the first Epistle to Timothy proclaims that: ‘Anyone who does not provide for his own household … is worse than an unbeliever.’
The Christian recognition that we all have duties … to ourselves, to our families and to the community we are part of. Conservatives believe in making work pay, in rewarding risk, in ensuring effort matches reward.
We also believe a welfare system should be a trampoline, not a trap – cushioning the fall, then propelling you back on your feet. That is not only economically sensible. It is morally right."
At her press conference today, where she stressed the Tories’ commitment to cutting welfare, and claimed taxes were going up in the budget because Keir Starmer was unwilling to rein in welfare spending, Badenoch said:
"Not cutting benefits and allowing the welfare bill to spiral is not a Christian thing to do. Leaving debt for the next generation, piling up liabilities, is not a Christian thing to do."
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John 11:35.
What an awful, awful woman. She's probably been reading the teachings of Tory Jesus and taken them as gospel:
Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 11:24 - Nov 18 by GlasgowBlue
It never ceases to amaze me how the Grauniad's most hallowed laws on how middle aged white blokes can or should speak about or describe people of colour just get tossed into the bin when the poc in question is a politician they have decided not to like. He is just a few words short of calling her a coconut FFS.
Fully wild take.
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Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 22:19 - Nov 18 with 508 views
Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 17:01 - Nov 18 by Zx1988
John 11:35.
What an awful, awful woman. She's probably been reading the teachings of Tory Jesus and taken them as gospel:
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She’s horrendously bad and a moral and capability vacuum. That’s not coming from a place of tribalism; she’s objectively terrible. The Tories are in big trouble with her as leader, but then Jenrick is supposed to be the big rival and he’s worse in a racist kind of way. They’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel. The Tories need a complete reset and in theory that could be quite easy as everyone’s vacated the centre.
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