| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance 19:35 - Nov 23 with 3066 views | sundayroast |
- signed a number of players who clearly weren’t first picks, and the quality is lacking
- a rebuild if we were to somehow gain promotion this season (this set of players aren’t PL ready or much of an upgrade on what we had)
- zero assists from a huge number of our attacking players
- strikers that aren’t up to leading the line for us
- no pace up top to give the option of a through ball, and even if we did, would KM adapt to play that way?
- slow ponderous football
- so reliant on a good quality number 10, but that we don’t have.
- so much time spent in the summer not bringing in players, lack of gelling time, even though we are 1/3 of the season gone they look like strangers.
- look around and see people yawning, bored
- half time a telling time, people just shrugging shoulders with no excitement or bounce about them/what they’ve seen
- how does KM change this?
- are we AGAIN waiting for a transfer window to help us out?
At a bit of a loss to where we are currently. That said, I’ll be driving to Hull in the hope we see another good away win as per Swansea. But I can’t help but think things are a bit of a mess, despite the illusion that MA gives when he’s in front of a camera.
Being this far adrift of top spot I personally feel is a real kick in the gut, our aim this season (I believe) with the money spent and the wages flying about would/should have been 1st/2nd.
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 23:32 - Nov 23 with 594 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 19:46 - Nov 23 by sundayroast |
Some counter thoughts might help to develop a conversation on the points.
Happy to discuss and talk through them in a grown up manner, if that’s allowed [Post edited 23 Nov 19:49]
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Grown up discussion with Herbivore? You'll be waiting a while! |  | | |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 23:41 - Nov 23 with 593 views | LuciBlue |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 20:33 - Nov 23 by homer_123 |
OK, here goes...
- signed a number of players who clearly weren’t first picks, and the quality is lacking [H] - Matsi, Egeli, Furlong, Cajuste are all starters, even Kipre to a point. However, we know KM looks at the 'squad' and the squad is definitely better.
- a rebuild if we were to somehow gain promotion this season (this set of players aren’t PL ready or much of an upgrade on what we had) [H] - yes but this was always going to be the case, so this is no surprise.
- zero assists from a huge number of our attacking players [H] Hirst, Egli, Nunez all have assists but granted, we could have more from the likes of Clarke, Jaden and Akpom.
- strikers that aren’t up to leading the line for us [H] - I would say that Hirst (early doors) was probably trying a touch too hard (Delap'esq) but has settled and started to deliver what KM wants from that lone striker, not perfect but he absolutely can and does lead the line. You need to actually watch him play, the work he does off the ball, the runs he makes where a pass isn't played into him and then factor in the work he does to start a press, or harry or chase. Azon is interesting as he has a number of those attributes and I do think he can lead the line for us as well.
- no pace up top to give the option of a through ball, and even if we did, would KM adapt to play that way? [H] - KM doesn't play that way with a pacey out and out sprinter up top but we do have pace throughout the team. But I can tell you know, pace doesn't unlock a low block. Because the think you need for pace to work is space in behind and a low block doesn't offer that.
- slow ponderous football [H] - I still believe many fans don't understand how KM plays or sets up his teams. There are times in a match where you need to move the ball quickly and where you need to slow it down. If we've gone all out for 20 mins, maybe we need to slow it down, keep possession, let players recover? Yes, there are times when we need to move the ball quickly, to drag players out of possession, to create passing lanes etc. And we have done that this season. Have we got it right all the time? No.
- so reliant on a good quality number 10, but that we don’t have. [H] I would agree, this is the one point you have right. At the moment, none of the players we have are giving what we need in this position. Chappers is the player, IMO, we are missing the most at the moment.
- so much time spent in the summer not bringing in players, lack of gelling time, even though we are 1/3 of the season gone they look like strangers. [H] - signing players isn't as simple or as straightforward as fans think. A player may simply not be available early doors and a deal not possible until late in the window. Egeli, for example, a player with options to choose from is going to take their time to choose, why rush?
- look around and see people yawning, bored [H] - who? Players, fans? I don't know what this means?
- half time a telling time, people just shrugging shoulders with no excitement or bounce about them/what they’ve seen [H] - again, fans, players? Sometimes, matches are dull, the result doesn't go your way. Wrexham came to go a job, sat and had little to no intent....it's not going to make a spectacle of a game.
- how does KM change this? [H] - We are 8th with a game in hand, do we need to change?
- are we AGAIN waiting for a transfer window to help us out? [H] - I think the approach will be the same, can we improve the squad during a window, if we can we will. [Post edited 23 Nov 20:34]
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We can only guess why people around the OP are yawning and bored. |  |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 23:46 - Nov 23 with 586 views | sundayroast |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 23:41 - Nov 23 by LuciBlue |
We can only guess why people around the OP are yawning and bored. |
Wasn’t aware it was my job to entertain them during a game | | | |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 02:37 - Nov 24 with 538 views | Ryorry |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 21:32 - Nov 23 by sundayroast |
And this is what I mean, we ended up with Akpom who isn’t a natural fit of us in that role. As per SS playing there too.
Just really frustrating to be in this position when we should be one up on other clubs having the parachute payments etc. |
"Just really frustrating to be in this position when we should be one up on other clubs having the parachute payments etc."
We, of all clubs & fans, should surely be aware by now that wheelbarrowfuls of money do not bring automatic success on the pitch and points. (I'm sure Leicester & Derby fans know this too).
General point not just at you - having seen many others on here also saying similar along the lines of "with all the money we've spent we should be higher in the table and/or playing better by now". |  |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 03:46 - Nov 24 with 528 views | sundayroast |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 02:37 - Nov 24 by Ryorry |
"Just really frustrating to be in this position when we should be one up on other clubs having the parachute payments etc."
We, of all clubs & fans, should surely be aware by now that wheelbarrowfuls of money do not bring automatic success on the pitch and points. (I'm sure Leicester & Derby fans know this too).
General point not just at you - having seen many others on here also saying similar along the lines of "with all the money we've spent we should be higher in the table and/or playing better by now". |
We also have possibly the highest paid manager in the league, who put this squad together | | | |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 05:38 - Nov 24 with 499 views | Benters |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 20:27 - Nov 23 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
It probably will be yes, big few weeks ahead.
Play Cov twice in a month as well. |
That’s why people were a bit peed off after Saturdays game,it was one we really should have got three points from being at home and all that.
That’s what Mick Mills was saying after the game anyway we now have three tricky away games then Coventry at home who are flying.
We will see where we are at after the next four games,but then there is still a long way to go after those.
Top 6 for me quite easily. |  |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 05:56 - Nov 24 with 476 views | ernie |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 19:41 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
This is the kind of ridiculous hyperbole that gets on people's tits. Reading that you'd think we're Norwich ffs. |
Ridiculous hyperbole…grow up. Everything he said is valid and deserves attention. Address some of his points then… | | | |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 06:48 - Nov 24 with 475 views | Blue_Heath |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 19:57 - Nov 23 by LeoMuff |
Not sure if on the whole quality is lacking, I think we thought Cajuste would be the midfield quality and for whatever reason he hasn’t been. The no 10 issue feels all our own making, while up front Hirst looked like he was going to smash pre season and he has struggled for form, Azon doesn’t look like a vast improvement on AAH to me.
All in all I would be getting in a quality midfielder as a priority and a striker and 10 in Jan. |
Cajuste has a party trick where he turns and beats 3 players and everyone thinks he's amazing but the sad reality is can't last 90 mins and contributes barely any goals/assists. He looked good in a poor side last year but wasn't. | |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 08:00 - Nov 24 with 429 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 20:33 - Nov 23 by homer_123 |
OK, here goes...
- signed a number of players who clearly weren’t first picks, and the quality is lacking [H] - Matsi, Egeli, Furlong, Cajuste are all starters, even Kipre to a point. However, we know KM looks at the 'squad' and the squad is definitely better.
- a rebuild if we were to somehow gain promotion this season (this set of players aren’t PL ready or much of an upgrade on what we had) [H] - yes but this was always going to be the case, so this is no surprise.
- zero assists from a huge number of our attacking players [H] Hirst, Egli, Nunez all have assists but granted, we could have more from the likes of Clarke, Jaden and Akpom.
- strikers that aren’t up to leading the line for us [H] - I would say that Hirst (early doors) was probably trying a touch too hard (Delap'esq) but has settled and started to deliver what KM wants from that lone striker, not perfect but he absolutely can and does lead the line. You need to actually watch him play, the work he does off the ball, the runs he makes where a pass isn't played into him and then factor in the work he does to start a press, or harry or chase. Azon is interesting as he has a number of those attributes and I do think he can lead the line for us as well.
- no pace up top to give the option of a through ball, and even if we did, would KM adapt to play that way? [H] - KM doesn't play that way with a pacey out and out sprinter up top but we do have pace throughout the team. But I can tell you know, pace doesn't unlock a low block. Because the think you need for pace to work is space in behind and a low block doesn't offer that.
- slow ponderous football [H] - I still believe many fans don't understand how KM plays or sets up his teams. There are times in a match where you need to move the ball quickly and where you need to slow it down. If we've gone all out for 20 mins, maybe we need to slow it down, keep possession, let players recover? Yes, there are times when we need to move the ball quickly, to drag players out of possession, to create passing lanes etc. And we have done that this season. Have we got it right all the time? No.
- so reliant on a good quality number 10, but that we don’t have. [H] I would agree, this is the one point you have right. At the moment, none of the players we have are giving what we need in this position. Chappers is the player, IMO, we are missing the most at the moment.
- so much time spent in the summer not bringing in players, lack of gelling time, even though we are 1/3 of the season gone they look like strangers. [H] - signing players isn't as simple or as straightforward as fans think. A player may simply not be available early doors and a deal not possible until late in the window. Egeli, for example, a player with options to choose from is going to take their time to choose, why rush?
- look around and see people yawning, bored [H] - who? Players, fans? I don't know what this means?
- half time a telling time, people just shrugging shoulders with no excitement or bounce about them/what they’ve seen [H] - again, fans, players? Sometimes, matches are dull, the result doesn't go your way. Wrexham came to go a job, sat and had little to no intent....it's not going to make a spectacle of a game.
- how does KM change this? [H] - We are 8th with a game in hand, do we need to change?
- are we AGAIN waiting for a transfer window to help us out? [H] - I think the approach will be the same, can we improve the squad during a window, if we can we will. [Post edited 23 Nov 20:34]
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We dont have speed throughout the team.
This is, I think, one of our stumbling blocks. Who would you back in a race against oppositions quickest players? | | | |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 08:42 - Nov 24 with 407 views | homer_123 |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 08:00 - Nov 24 by redrickstuhaart |
We dont have speed throughout the team.
This is, I think, one of our stumbling blocks. Who would you back in a race against oppositions quickest players? |
Have we been beaten for outright pace at that back?
Davis and Furlong are pacey, for sure (Bolt'esq, no). Greaves is also fairly quick. |  |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 08:46 - Nov 24 with 401 views | Herbivore |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 08:42 - Nov 24 by homer_123 |
Have we been beaten for outright pace at that back?
Davis and Furlong are pacey, for sure (Bolt'esq, no). Greaves is also fairly quick. |
O'Shea was clocked as one of the fastest players in the PL. |  |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 08:53 - Nov 24 with 401 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 19:45 - Nov 23 by sundayroast |
If I wasn’t semi positive I’d not be heading to Hull, Blackburn etc. |
Arf.
Well done you. What do you want? A round of applause? A kiss? A letter from the club? |  |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 08:56 - Nov 24 with 400 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 08:42 - Nov 24 by homer_123 |
Have we been beaten for outright pace at that back?
Davis and Furlong are pacey, for sure (Bolt'esq, no). Greaves is also fairly quick. |
O'Shea also exceptionally fast. | |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 09:12 - Nov 24 with 375 views | homer_123 |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 08:46 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
O'Shea was clocked as one of the fastest players in the PL. |
Couldn't remember if it was Greaves or O'Shea. | |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 11:47 - Nov 24 with 323 views | Guthrum |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 20:33 - Nov 23 by homer_123 |
OK, here goes...
- signed a number of players who clearly weren’t first picks, and the quality is lacking [H] - Matsi, Egeli, Furlong, Cajuste are all starters, even Kipre to a point. However, we know KM looks at the 'squad' and the squad is definitely better.
- a rebuild if we were to somehow gain promotion this season (this set of players aren’t PL ready or much of an upgrade on what we had) [H] - yes but this was always going to be the case, so this is no surprise.
- zero assists from a huge number of our attacking players [H] Hirst, Egli, Nunez all have assists but granted, we could have more from the likes of Clarke, Jaden and Akpom.
- strikers that aren’t up to leading the line for us [H] - I would say that Hirst (early doors) was probably trying a touch too hard (Delap'esq) but has settled and started to deliver what KM wants from that lone striker, not perfect but he absolutely can and does lead the line. You need to actually watch him play, the work he does off the ball, the runs he makes where a pass isn't played into him and then factor in the work he does to start a press, or harry or chase. Azon is interesting as he has a number of those attributes and I do think he can lead the line for us as well.
- no pace up top to give the option of a through ball, and even if we did, would KM adapt to play that way? [H] - KM doesn't play that way with a pacey out and out sprinter up top but we do have pace throughout the team. But I can tell you know, pace doesn't unlock a low block. Because the think you need for pace to work is space in behind and a low block doesn't offer that.
- slow ponderous football [H] - I still believe many fans don't understand how KM plays or sets up his teams. There are times in a match where you need to move the ball quickly and where you need to slow it down. If we've gone all out for 20 mins, maybe we need to slow it down, keep possession, let players recover? Yes, there are times when we need to move the ball quickly, to drag players out of possession, to create passing lanes etc. And we have done that this season. Have we got it right all the time? No.
- so reliant on a good quality number 10, but that we don’t have. [H] I would agree, this is the one point you have right. At the moment, none of the players we have are giving what we need in this position. Chappers is the player, IMO, we are missing the most at the moment.
- so much time spent in the summer not bringing in players, lack of gelling time, even though we are 1/3 of the season gone they look like strangers. [H] - signing players isn't as simple or as straightforward as fans think. A player may simply not be available early doors and a deal not possible until late in the window. Egeli, for example, a player with options to choose from is going to take their time to choose, why rush?
- look around and see people yawning, bored [H] - who? Players, fans? I don't know what this means?
- half time a telling time, people just shrugging shoulders with no excitement or bounce about them/what they’ve seen [H] - again, fans, players? Sometimes, matches are dull, the result doesn't go your way. Wrexham came to go a job, sat and had little to no intent....it's not going to make a spectacle of a game.
- how does KM change this? [H] - We are 8th with a game in hand, do we need to change?
- are we AGAIN waiting for a transfer window to help us out? [H] - I think the approach will be the same, can we improve the squad during a window, if we can we will. [Post edited 23 Nov 20:34]
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Clarke and Philogene cannot be assister and scorer at the same time. They aren't getting the assists because they are the primary people putting the ball into the net. This is where individual stats in isolation can be very misleading, coupled with the assumption that the striker has to be the one getting the goals. Often not the case in the modern game. |  |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 12:38 - Nov 24 with 296 views | bsw72 |
Yawning is attributed to a number of factors - can be caused by sleeplessness, anxiety and has been linked to higher levels of cortisol. |  | | |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 18:35 - Nov 24 with 253 views | waveneyblue |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 05:56 - Nov 24 by ernie |
Ridiculous hyperbole…grow up. Everything he said is valid and deserves attention. Address some of his points then… |
Ernie telling posters to grow up.
Comedy gold .......... |  | | |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 18:45 - Nov 24 with 241 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 21:06 - Nov 23 by LeoMuff |
Think we tried but it’s exceptionally hard to buy for automatic championship as the prem hoovers up those at that level that may play higher and those players are looking for prem moves.
We tried to get Guiu in and Hackney but they didnt work out. |
Massive what could have been with those 2.
Guiu might take Delap's place at Chelsea and looks quality and Hackney is what our midfield is crying out for. Should have locked him in at Portman road until he signed. |  |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 18:47 - Nov 24 with 230 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 08:42 - Nov 24 by homer_123 |
Have we been beaten for outright pace at that back?
Davis and Furlong are pacey, for sure (Bolt'esq, no). Greaves is also fairly quick. |
Wouldn't describe Furlong as pacey at all tbh. But he doesn't really need to be because positionally it is quite safe.
Leif and O'shea are exceptionally fast though.
I do agree with him that we lack pace in attack. In terms of real straight line speed that can stretch a team. Hopefully Wes is in good nick when he comes back. [Post edited 24 Nov 18:49]
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 19:23 - Nov 24 with 206 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Addressing the points.
- I cannot think of a single player we signed who wasn't playing for the team we signed them from. Clearly, we utilise a squad and are not going to play new signings simply because they are new signings. If we did, the complaint would be that McKenna has his favourites regardless of him players are playing.
- The intention is clearly to develop the majority of the team into one that has Premier League quality. Of course new signings would be needed and Sunderland and Forest's approach to that are good pointers to look to.
- Hirst has led the line in our promotion team and this season in all except for a draw v Bristol City, the defeat to Charlton and the draw with Wrexham. I make that a rate of 22 pts from 12 matches (very nearly 2 ppg) and shows he is plenty good enough. Azon needs to develop but clearly has potential. Of course we could do with another number 9. This has been the case for most clubs in the top two divisions for several seasons now.
- your complaint appears to be that we don't play different tactics which may or may not be as successful as the ones we do play. Have you in mind a striker we should sign to play those tactics and why would it likely be as successful? It would be a less possession-based approach which has inherent risks.
- this has been an issue at times for a long time now and yet we still won 2 promotions. I would like to see us inject more pace at times and think it could make us a much more potent side. I guess McKenna sees it as a risky approach likely to expose us to the counter-attack.
- who would you say is a better quality number 10 than Nunez? I do think we could do with a better option backing him up, though. I would love to see Humphreys given a go there.
- If they do still look like strangers it bodes well for once they do start to gel. Getting good quality signings through the door always takes time. In an ideal world, the best signings would be in the door before the start of pre-season training and new deals would already be lined up for January 1st. That isn't how it generally happens for any club, though.
- I look forward to being able to get good seats whenever I want to attend.
- Is this surprising in a 0-0 draw where the opposition is successfully frustrating the home team? Do you think Portman Road is the only ground where this will happen? I doubt there is a single ground in Europe where this never happens.
- KM gets us from 1.83 ppg (current form) to 2 ppg via marginal gains. This sees us in the top two by the end of January. Few will complain about any of the above if we are in the top two (although history shows there will still be those complaining that those just below us will overtake us).
- Isn't it great to know we have funds to be able to strengthen in the upcoming transfer window while clubs ahead of us will be more worried about potentially losing key players instead?
We are currently 8th, 1 point off 6th with a far better goal difference and a game in hand. Were we to win the game in hand, we would be 3rd 3 points behind second place with a better goal difference and currently on 0.33 ppg better form (a team that has just lost their successful manager). If this is a mess, I hate to think what pre-McKenna qualified as. Of course we would want to be in Coventry's position but we are not far away from top two and it is where we are at the end of the season that matters. |  |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 19:25 - Nov 24 with 199 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 18:47 - Nov 24 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Wouldn't describe Furlong as pacey at all tbh. But he doesn't really need to be because positionally it is quite safe.
Leif and O'shea are exceptionally fast though.
I do agree with him that we lack pace in attack. In terms of real straight line speed that can stretch a team. Hopefully Wes is in good nick when he comes back. [Post edited 24 Nov 18:49]
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Exceptionally ot pushing it.
Point is, when Clarke, or Philogene, or Akpom, or Smods, or Nunez, or Cajuste or even Hirst, beat a man do they get away, or do they have to check back or get forced into a pass or shot because they know the opponent will be snapping at their heels? Just one or two genuinely quick players in those slots changes the equation for defences. Its why wes was so vital, and Ogbene was bought. | | | |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 19:29 - Nov 24 with 194 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 18:45 - Nov 24 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Massive what could have been with those 2.
Guiu might take Delap's place at Chelsea and looks quality and Hackney is what our midfield is crying out for. Should have locked him in at Portman road until he signed. |
I wonder what will happen with Hackney in January. He clearly didn't join u because he expected a Premier League offer which never came. Will he see Boro without Edwards as his best chance of getting there? Has he done enough to attract the Premier League interest he thinks he deserves? Is it possible we could go back for him and, if we did, would he pair up with Matusiwa? I can't see him coming to be Matusiwa's back-up. | |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 19:32 - Nov 24 with 187 views | sundayroast |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 08:53 - Nov 24 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Arf.
Well done you. What do you want? A round of applause? A kiss? A letter from the club? |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 19:40 - Nov 24 with 170 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 02:37 - Nov 24 by Ryorry |
"Just really frustrating to be in this position when we should be one up on other clubs having the parachute payments etc."
We, of all clubs & fans, should surely be aware by now that wheelbarrowfuls of money do not bring automatic success on the pitch and points. (I'm sure Leicester & Derby fans know this too).
General point not just at you - having seen many others on here also saying similar along the lines of "with all the money we've spent we should be higher in the table and/or playing better by now". |
Quite. The league is full of clubs who wasted parachute payments. There are several cautionary tales and I wonder if that pressure of knowing we have a limited time window is affecting the club. It’s certainly affecting the fans as expectations are sky high. Nobody’s relaxed. |  |
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| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 19:42 - Nov 24 with 161 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Some thoughts - no structure to the post so apologise in advance on 19:32 - Nov 24 by sundayroast |
Is this a real post or a bot? |
I'm afraid I can't answer that, Dave | |
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