| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… 20:26 - Dec 21 with 3015 views | SitfcB |
Talking about Luke Hyam I think.
Not much has changed I supposed…
I especially like the last paragraph, KM effectively says the same but in a more polite way  |  |
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| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 07:41 - Dec 22 with 416 views | Churchman |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 03:50 - Dec 22 by tcblue |
There's an element of truth to this BUT this was one of Mick's biggest failings - he would set it up so it was him and the team Vs everyone - including the fans.
If he'd have spent a bit more time connecting with the fans (and/or ignoring the idiots) he wouldn't have created more grief for the team.
I remember him saying "chanting more for a player to come on will make me less likely for it to happen" which even if he was joking about is bloody minded and stupid at best |
He was a very stubborn manager who certainly embraced us against the world.
I felt at the time that it helped us escape relegation when he arrived and to produce a competitive team from largely inferior players. With the exception of two or three, the individuals were real ham and egg merchants, but they had heart and togetherness. However, aside from a few games if it was good football you wanted you had to wait for match of the day.
The season we made the play offs was his peak here and the rotting out of the club from the inside began to show after that. With it, his stubbornness, siege mentality, defensiveness, limited approach and attitude began to grate and people drift away. He had to go. Shame about his replacement, but the Evans didn’t know the difference between a manager and a moped.
Where this relates to McKenna is that despite being a different type of person with a different philosophy he shares the trait of stubbornness. He has a way of wanting the team to play and there appears little flexibility in it. Is this a good thing? I really don’t know.
What I do know is that Bobby Robson was happy to adjust the team to suit the players - the Dutchmen and Eric Gates (terrific player). Was he the exception in doing this? Burley was pretty inflexible and Ramsey made it clear that players had to fit his system.
What do others think? |  | | |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 08:18 - Dec 22 with 379 views | positivity |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 02:06 - Dec 22 by pointofblue |
I thought he was being used as the homegrown player in the squad rule, so we could have mine subs. Though it may have changed or I've misunderstood the rule to start with. |
we need to name him or baggott in the 25 man squad, but not necessary to name both |  |
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| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 08:33 - Dec 22 with 354 views | Mullet |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 23:10 - Dec 21 by SuffolkPunchFC |
LOL. Are you blind? The post I responded too, and reference to superfans :
Do keep up, and try to read what you’re responding to. |
Simply made a mistake. Apologies, I thought you had replied to Sitters hence the confusion. It's usually so hard to tell from your posts where you get your ideas from I should do more than glance. |  |
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| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 08:39 - Dec 22 with 330 views | Swansea_Blue |
Matt Richards: “hold my beer” |  |
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| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 08:47 - Dec 22 with 321 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 00:48 - Dec 22 by Churchman |
It might seem ridiculous to you and you are entitled to your opinion. It doesn’t to me and I’m entitled to mine. It isn’t gallows support. It’s understanding what your football club is and what its value is to you and your fellow supporters. They therefore get behind their team. A percentage of our support doesn’t.
Some might think that money a club spends on a player gives them the right or entitlement to tear into that player or in our case players. To hound them during a game, boo them before a game or jeer when they are subbed. They pay their money so in a sense they are entitled to do as they please. But what does it achieve?
it won’t help the team, the individuals or the people that think that approach is nothing but destructive. But then a lot of blokes in particular get a lot of pleasure from being destructive and negative the whole time. I guess they feel empowered; making a difference; big.
You appear happy to take aim at what you consider to be ‘happy clappers’ and ‘super fans’ , whatever that means. I presume you include me within that group, not that I give a flying f***. It’s an interesting insult towards people that might take a balanced, more analytical view than you. I’ve not seen a single poster on here that isn’t disappointed or felt we’ve under achieved. Not one. Nor ‘gratitude’, beyond the owners placing this club in a far better position on and off the field than it’s been in decades.
I suggest you are entirely wrong if you think that what you deem happy clappers etc haven’t realised everyone from the club cat to McKenna to the owners will not have hoped for better this season on the pitch. What separates what you are describing as ‘super fans’ from what I’ll describe as the ‘nappy boys’ is that the former look at things more broadly and look to the future.
The latter tend to appear after a perceived poor performance only spewing endless negativity with no solutions beyond cowardly verbal abuse, booting out players, endless wanging on about money, the manager you name it while yearning for a past that is just that and not as they paint it.
In my opinion, there is nothing good about that approach. But hey, it’s a free country. [Post edited 22 Dec 0:51]
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I like 'nappy boys'... but even better, if we're the happy clappers they can be the nappy crappers. |  |
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| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 11:23 - Dec 22 with 270 views | tcblue |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 07:41 - Dec 22 by Churchman |
He was a very stubborn manager who certainly embraced us against the world.
I felt at the time that it helped us escape relegation when he arrived and to produce a competitive team from largely inferior players. With the exception of two or three, the individuals were real ham and egg merchants, but they had heart and togetherness. However, aside from a few games if it was good football you wanted you had to wait for match of the day.
The season we made the play offs was his peak here and the rotting out of the club from the inside began to show after that. With it, his stubbornness, siege mentality, defensiveness, limited approach and attitude began to grate and people drift away. He had to go. Shame about his replacement, but the Evans didn’t know the difference between a manager and a moped.
Where this relates to McKenna is that despite being a different type of person with a different philosophy he shares the trait of stubbornness. He has a way of wanting the team to play and there appears little flexibility in it. Is this a good thing? I really don’t know.
What I do know is that Bobby Robson was happy to adjust the team to suit the players - the Dutchmen and Eric Gates (terrific player). Was he the exception in doing this? Burley was pretty inflexible and Ramsey made it clear that players had to fit his system.
What do others think? |
I guess it all comes down to how flexible you really want / need a manager to be in their preferences.
I don't really watch much other football, but is KM noticeably more stubborn with his setup than others? It probably isn't fair to compare him to Burley or Robson given how long ago those eras were | | | |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 11:54 - Dec 22 with 235 views | Vic |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 21:25 - Dec 21 by Churchman |
It’s far worse now than I’ve ever known it.
For some (ok, a minority), derision and abuse is the default setting. Perhaps they should take a look at how well Sheffield Wednesday are supported and have a look in the mirror. |
Sadly some of our 'fans' have the same entitled attitude that we have criticised in other clubs in the past. Leeds, Leicester, Brighton have all come on here for stick for thinking they are better or bigger than we think they are. A couple of seasons of exceptional results and some fans think it;s always going to be that way and get grumpy when it's not. Some should know better, but I suspect are younger, fueled by games console football or whatever.
Of course we were never like that! Or were we? Remember the pelters SBR was getting in 1979 when the team were flirting with relegation? |  |
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| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 12:02 - Dec 22 with 230 views | Churchman |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 11:23 - Dec 22 by tcblue |
I guess it all comes down to how flexible you really want / need a manager to be in their preferences.
I don't really watch much other football, but is KM noticeably more stubborn with his setup than others? It probably isn't fair to compare him to Burley or Robson given how long ago those eras were |
Your last paragraph is a fair point.
I guess I would choose pretty inflexible if it was me, because by nature I’m often just that. However I’ve no idea what’s applicable to a 2025 football manager, hence the vague original question. | | | |
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| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 12:16 - Dec 22 with 220 views | tcblue |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 12:02 - Dec 22 by Churchman |
Your last paragraph is a fair point.
I guess I would choose pretty inflexible if it was me, because by nature I’m often just that. However I’ve no idea what’s applicable to a 2025 football manager, hence the vague original question. |
I absolutely will not compromise on my diamond midfield on Championship Manager 1999 | | | |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 16:27 - Dec 22 with 191 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 11:23 - Dec 22 by tcblue |
I guess it all comes down to how flexible you really want / need a manager to be in their preferences.
I don't really watch much other football, but is KM noticeably more stubborn with his setup than others? It probably isn't fair to compare him to Burley or Robson given how long ago those eras were |
Not a KM out or a wishful thinking thing. But you do wonder what other managers would do with this current squad
We are third so clearly not panic stations.. but based on yours and churchmans posts how else could we see this squad line up
The obvious one I guess is a midfield three.. our squad seems like it really suits it with cajuste and nunez both probably better in the midfield but not as far back in a 2 man pivot
Egeli.. at what point do you say ok lets get you down the middle. Or uptop
Left side.. would they stick with a jayden how he is or a Clarke high and wide like his Sunderland days.
No right or wrong and theres nothing to suggest it would improve where we are currently tly but we are fixed on our 4 2 3 1 and altho movements in games change it is pretty much that 4 2 3 1 set up. |  |
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| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 18:26 - Dec 22 with 148 views | pointofblue |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 21:25 - Dec 21 by Churchman |
It’s far worse now than I’ve ever known it.
For some (ok, a minority), derision and abuse is the default setting. Perhaps they should take a look at how well Sheffield Wednesday are supported and have a look in the mirror. |
Oddly the Sheffield Wednesday fans reminded me of us in the Championship relegation year. In complete adversity everyone came together. Lambert said it wasn't normal but perhaps it is. | |
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| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 20:30 - Dec 22 with 110 views | mellowblue |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 08:39 - Dec 22 by Swansea_Blue |
Matt Richards: “hold my beer” |
The grief poor old Matt Richards got was pretty apalling. Far more than the current crop are receiving. | | | |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 20:42 - Dec 22 with 86 views | glasso |
| Interesting words from MM 13 years ago today… on 22:29 - Dec 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
He isn't entirely wrong, though. I am disappointed that Humphreys hasn't been given any pitch time so far this season. |
That would go down really well with the 'stop changing the team every game' brigade on here, wouldn't it?
We simultaneously should be fielding our 'first 11' in every game and also handing out chances to players who are probably 3rd or 4th in the pecking order in their position? | | | |
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