| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads 15:10 - Dec 22 with 5762 views | chicoazul |
May even wear my rainbow laces to the game. |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 17:54 - Dec 22 with 1208 views | blueoutlook |
Still here chorizo? |  | | |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 21:58 - Dec 22 with 1067 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 16:33 - Dec 22 by pointofblue |
I accept you probably don't mean it this way but homophobia isn't something which should be cast aside because someone's been successful. |
I don’t. I mean I disagree with those who write him off as a human because of his views, despite evidence to the contrary that he is a man of otherwise admirable qualities, and despite setting the bar that high, presumably celebrating wildly at Watford and the like. |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 22:01 - Dec 22 with 1062 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 17:28 - Dec 22 by chicoazul |
Lmao he was literally born and brought up in Wolverhampton |
To you and other Wolverhampton replies - are you suggesting I meant literally a “different world”?
For those who claim to be tolerant and socially-conscious, it’s ironic that you don’t recognise (or conveniently refuse to recognise) that he could’ve still been brought up in a very different way to you, despite living in the same country. | |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 22:59 - Dec 22 with 1020 views | pointofblue |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 22:01 - Dec 22 by Chris_ITFC |
To you and other Wolverhampton replies - are you suggesting I meant literally a “different world”?
For those who claim to be tolerant and socially-conscious, it’s ironic that you don’t recognise (or conveniently refuse to recognise) that he could’ve still been brought up in a very different way to you, despite living in the same country. |
I think that's an interesting point. How much does nurture guide a person's viewpoint? And how much leeway is given?
We could go deeper with this - and not to derail the thread - but take the situation in Israel and Palestine. Much of the hatred comes from religious texts and how they were brought up. What's the balance between tolerant and socially-conscious yet accepting those views and subsequent actions born from them? |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 07:58 - Dec 23 with 909 views | Dubtractor |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 22:01 - Dec 22 by Chris_ITFC |
To you and other Wolverhampton replies - are you suggesting I meant literally a “different world”?
For those who claim to be tolerant and socially-conscious, it’s ironic that you don’t recognise (or conveniently refuse to recognise) that he could’ve still been brought up in a very different way to you, despite living in the same country. |
It's just a bit odd to jump to the defence of him, for people not recognising that he may have different values/beliefs, when he couldn't recognise or support the LGBT group even in a pretty trivial way.
FWIW I'm not anti Morsy, but I was disappointed by his stance on this topic. And the choice wasn't just about his religious beliefs, as he has promoted gambling sponsors in his playing career.
It is possible to think that a player was a legend for us, but still be disappointed with them in other ways. If I'm honest I think I may have downplayed this at the time of the rainbow laces stuff, because I didn't want to see a negative narrative around our captain, but that was pretty poor of me in hindsight - to basically give a free pass because he was our captain.
I take the point it possibly feels unnecessary to go over the topic again, with Morsy have left a while ago now, but I think it's an interesting subject to cover. To what extent should we allow someone's religious beliefs to give a green light for discrimination? [Post edited 23 Dec 8:09]
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:27 - Dec 23 with 830 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 22:01 - Dec 22 by Chris_ITFC |
To you and other Wolverhampton replies - are you suggesting I meant literally a “different world”?
For those who claim to be tolerant and socially-conscious, it’s ironic that you don’t recognise (or conveniently refuse to recognise) that he could’ve still been brought up in a very different way to you, despite living in the same country. |
I can't believe he (and some posters I'd normally think of as reasonably intelligent) can't understand that someone can be brought up in a completely different culture despite being in the same country as them. I mean what's all the chat of failure of integration in that case?! |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:27 - Dec 23 with 829 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
So edgy. | |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:32 - Dec 23 with 821 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 07:58 - Dec 23 by Dubtractor |
It's just a bit odd to jump to the defence of him, for people not recognising that he may have different values/beliefs, when he couldn't recognise or support the LGBT group even in a pretty trivial way.
FWIW I'm not anti Morsy, but I was disappointed by his stance on this topic. And the choice wasn't just about his religious beliefs, as he has promoted gambling sponsors in his playing career.
It is possible to think that a player was a legend for us, but still be disappointed with them in other ways. If I'm honest I think I may have downplayed this at the time of the rainbow laces stuff, because I didn't want to see a negative narrative around our captain, but that was pretty poor of me in hindsight - to basically give a free pass because he was our captain.
I take the point it possibly feels unnecessary to go over the topic again, with Morsy have left a while ago now, but I think it's an interesting subject to cover. To what extent should we allow someone's religious beliefs to give a green light for discrimination? [Post edited 23 Dec 8:09]
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Was Morsy (or people not castigating him) giving the green light for discrimination though? I was disappointed too, but I squared it in my head that he wasn't actively going out and promoting discrimination. He was simply abstaining. There was plenty going on in support of the cause, so the message was still getting through. I think it better to focus on the good that was done rather on one person abstaining. | |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:47 - Dec 23 with 803 views | Libero |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 15:32 - Dec 22 by Chris_ITFC |
Oh yes, let’s all lump on our greatest captain in recent memory, who drove a team that gave ALL of us such incredible moments and memories, just because he was brought up in a different world to believe different things to us. |
“a different world” lol - what an utterly embarrassing take, why do you feel the need to be an apologist for homophobia? Shame on you, frankly. |  | | |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:51 - Dec 23 with 757 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:47 - Dec 23 by Libero |
“a different world” lol - what an utterly embarrassing take, why do you feel the need to be an apologist for homophobia? Shame on you, frankly. |
Whether you agree with it or not, he was brought up in a different culture. | |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:52 - Dec 23 with 786 views | Libero |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 07:58 - Dec 23 by Dubtractor |
It's just a bit odd to jump to the defence of him, for people not recognising that he may have different values/beliefs, when he couldn't recognise or support the LGBT group even in a pretty trivial way.
FWIW I'm not anti Morsy, but I was disappointed by his stance on this topic. And the choice wasn't just about his religious beliefs, as he has promoted gambling sponsors in his playing career.
It is possible to think that a player was a legend for us, but still be disappointed with them in other ways. If I'm honest I think I may have downplayed this at the time of the rainbow laces stuff, because I didn't want to see a negative narrative around our captain, but that was pretty poor of me in hindsight - to basically give a free pass because he was our captain.
I take the point it possibly feels unnecessary to go over the topic again, with Morsy have left a while ago now, but I think it's an interesting subject to cover. To what extent should we allow someone's religious beliefs to give a green light for discrimination? [Post edited 23 Dec 8:09]
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I think for me it’s the fact that those religious beliefs that were used as the shield were clearly flexible, as he’s been pictured wearing shirts with betting sponsorship on- it was an active choice by Morsy to be homophobic, it is of course his choice but he has been judged for it accordingly by right minded people. | | | |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:56 - Dec 23 with 733 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:52 - Dec 23 by Libero |
I think for me it’s the fact that those religious beliefs that were used as the shield were clearly flexible, as he’s been pictured wearing shirts with betting sponsorship on- it was an active choice by Morsy to be homophobic, it is of course his choice but he has been judged for it accordingly by right minded people. |
I haven't seen Morsy be homophobic to anyone. He abstained, very different. You might want to retract that statement if you don't want to get Phil into trouble. | |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 09:06 - Dec 23 with 684 views | GlasgowBlue |
Can people please stop validating discriminatory religious beliefs that belong in the dark ages just because said person with discriminatory religious beliefs was bloody good at kicking a football for us. His decision to snub the rainbow laces campaign was a massive kick in the teeth for our LGBTQ supporters or those of us supporters who have LGBTQ family members. |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 09:13 - Dec 23 with 694 views | JackNorthStand |
As you should if that’s what you want to do. We should encourage everybody to do as they see fit for their own personal views as long as it is not harming others.
Have a great day. [Post edited 23 Dec 9:13]
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 09:27 - Dec 23 with 650 views | hunty21 |
What a knob | | | |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 09:50 - Dec 23 with 613 views | MattinLondon |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 09:06 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Can people please stop validating discriminatory religious beliefs that belong in the dark ages just because said person with discriminatory religious beliefs was bloody good at kicking a football for us. His decision to snub the rainbow laces campaign was a massive kick in the teeth for our LGBTQ supporters or those of us supporters who have LGBTQ family members. |
Indeed - its no wonder that very few footballers feel comfortable in ‘coming out’ when abstaining is used as a convenient excuse for justifying homophobia. |  | | |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 10:10 - Dec 23 with 584 views | DJR |
Sadly, the Premier League has given up on the Rainbow Laces campaign, and the following (which I posted yesterday on another thread) shows back-tracking on the part of FIFA on this and the anti-racism front.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/12/03/world-cup-2026-fifa-needs-to-act-on-human-ri
“FIFA’s so-called peace prize is being awarded against a backdrop of violent detentions of immigrants, national guard deployments in US cities, and the obsequious cancellation of FIFA’s own anti-racism and anti-discrimination campaigns,” said Minky Worden, who oversees sport for Human Rights Watch. “There is still time to honor FIFA’s promises for a World Cup not tainted by human rights abuses, but the clock is ticking.”
Civil Rights and Anti-Discrimination
“FIFA’s decision to cancel anti-racism and anti-discrimination messaging at the Club World Cup sent a chilling signal to communities of color and all who have fought for equality in sport,” said Jamal Watkins, senior vice president of strategy and advancement, National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). “At a time when hate crimes are rising and DEI programs are under attack, FIFA should not be retreating.”
Athletes’ Rights and LGBTQ+ Safety
“As an out athlete, I know what it means to compete in environments where you’re not sure you’ll be safe,” said Matthew Pacifici, former men’s professional player in the US and Athlete Ally ambassador. “LGBTQ+ players and fans need more than symbolic gestures—we need enforceable protections. The homophobic chants at the Club World Cup in Atlanta show exactly why FIFA’s retreat from anti-discrimination messaging is so dangerous. Players and fans must know that FIFA will protect them, not abandon them.” [Post edited 23 Dec 14:07]
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 11:15 - Dec 23 with 533 views | mellowblue |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 09:06 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Can people please stop validating discriminatory religious beliefs that belong in the dark ages just because said person with discriminatory religious beliefs was bloody good at kicking a football for us. His decision to snub the rainbow laces campaign was a massive kick in the teeth for our LGBTQ supporters or those of us supporters who have LGBTQ family members. |
Not sure that anybody is validating those religious beliefs. Religious beliefs that are steeped in the mists of time move a lot slower than societal changes of the 20th/ 21st century. I think Morsy, whatever his private views are, was stuck between a rock and a hard place on this. | | | |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 11:41 - Dec 23 with 505 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:52 - Dec 23 by Libero |
I think for me it’s the fact that those religious beliefs that were used as the shield were clearly flexible, as he’s been pictured wearing shirts with betting sponsorship on- it was an active choice by Morsy to be homophobic, it is of course his choice but he has been judged for it accordingly by right minded people. |
Hmmm tricky one that.
Think there’s a huge difference personally between showing suppprt for something (ie wearing the armband) and being actively against that cause (ie being homophobic).
If he’d have tweeted, I’m not wearing it because I don’t think being gay should be legal, that’s homophobic and actively going against it. Simply refusing to support said cause, is very different. I’m not saying I agree with his stance but I definitely don’t think it’s fair to label him a homophobe based on an entire religions view of the world. |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 12:02 - Dec 23 with 472 views | NedPlimpton |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 08:56 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I haven't seen Morsy be homophobic to anyone. He abstained, very different. You might want to retract that statement if you don't want to get Phil into trouble. |
Silence is considered complicity in other areas of discrimination. I see no reason why this would be different
People are persecuted around the world for their sexual orientation, so for Morsy to deliberately turn his back on a chance to show support for those people speaks volumes and tells others that it's ok to ignore discrimination |  | | |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 12:07 - Dec 23 with 453 views | noggin |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 12:02 - Dec 23 by NedPlimpton |
Silence is considered complicity in other areas of discrimination. I see no reason why this would be different
People are persecuted around the world for their sexual orientation, so for Morsy to deliberately turn his back on a chance to show support for those people speaks volumes and tells others that it's ok to ignore discrimination |
So by that logic, every player that didn't take the knee is a racist? |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 12:22 - Dec 23 with 399 views | NedPlimpton |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 12:07 - Dec 23 by noggin |
So by that logic, every player that didn't take the knee is a racist? |
Good question
If they refused without saying why then I think I would question their reasons
If they offered a reason, like Zaha did, then it's a different story | | | |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 13:01 - Dec 23 with 346 views | Benters |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 17:28 - Dec 22 by chicoazul |
Lmao he was literally born and brought up in Wolverhampton |
The first pub I’d been to in England where the landlord was a Indian.
He pulled a decent pint of stout tbh.
Modern times I guess. |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 13:01 - Dec 23 with 348 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
The mental gymnastics around this from some fans is always puzzling.
He made his stance pretty clear when he refused to wear the armband. It was very disappointing. |  |
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| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 13:10 - Dec 23 with 336 views | Benters |
| Suddenly excited about Bristol at home lads on 13:01 - Dec 23 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
The mental gymnastics around this from some fans is always puzzling.
He made his stance pretty clear when he refused to wear the armband. It was very disappointing. |
I remember the first thread on this subject a fair few on here didn’t know if they were coming or going about the subject 🙃🤓 | |
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