| Joel Piroe 19:24 - Dec 22 with 3289 views | GlasgowBlue |
Worth a punt in the January transfer window? Leeds would probably sell him for £15 million as they look to strengthen their own squad in order to stay in the Premier League. [Post edited 22 Dec 19:24]
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| Joel Piroe on 19:31 - Dec 22 with 2742 views | SitfcB |
His name keeps getting mentioned in conversations with fans, should definitely be one we’re looking at.
I’m hoping it gets spoken into becoming true. |  |
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| Joel Piroe on 19:41 - Dec 22 with 2668 views | FrimleyBlue |
I wondered if we might go in for the other Leeds fella Joseph Gelhardt
On loan at hull with a jan recall I believe. |  |
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| Joel Piroe on 21:14 - Dec 22 with 2363 views | Swansea_Blue |
Gets goals, but is very different to Hirst. Depends how we want to play, but he’s not a runner who battles the CBs. He’s very good at dropping off a bit, finding space in between the centre backs and midfield, arriving in the box late and sometimes linking play, etc. He’s a good player. |  |
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| Joel Piroe on 22:07 - Dec 22 with 2213 views | Big_Jase |
| Joel Piroe on 21:14 - Dec 22 by Swansea_Blue |
Gets goals, but is very different to Hirst. Depends how we want to play, but he’s not a runner who battles the CBs. He’s very good at dropping off a bit, finding space in between the centre backs and midfield, arriving in the box late and sometimes linking play, etc. He’s a good player. |
Sounds perfect for our number 10 role then. |  |
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| Joel Piroe on 08:45 - Dec 23 with 1751 views | Vic |
Not for me. I haven't looked at him stats so I could be wrong, but as I understand it he is a #10. With Nunez fast improving that's not the position we need to fill. IMO we need an out and out CF; even if Hirsty recovers quickly his form in front of goal hasnt been what it was and we really need a goal scorer. |  |
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| Joel Piroe on 08:50 - Dec 23 with 1728 views | cressi |
Even though the goals haven't flowed I would go for Ivanovic of Millwall May get for a little less for that reason up to speed as playing regularly tall and strong .uch more like Hirst young and if does well his value will soar. |  | | |
| Joel Piroe on 08:54 - Dec 23 with 1700 views | TheGentlemanViking |
| Joel Piroe on 08:45 - Dec 23 by Vic |
Not for me. I haven't looked at him stats so I could be wrong, but as I understand it he is a #10. With Nunez fast improving that's not the position we need to fill. IMO we need an out and out CF; even if Hirsty recovers quickly his form in front of goal hasnt been what it was and we really need a goal scorer. |
Definitely a striker, and a routine goalscorer too, averages just shy of a goal every other game in the championship. Won the Golden Boot last season. Would be a great signing. |  | | |
| Joel Piroe on 08:55 - Dec 23 with 1696 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Joel Piroe on 21:14 - Dec 22 by Swansea_Blue |
Gets goals, but is very different to Hirst. Depends how we want to play, but he’s not a runner who battles the CBs. He’s very good at dropping off a bit, finding space in between the centre backs and midfield, arriving in the box late and sometimes linking play, etc. He’s a good player. |
I like the idea of a player arriving late into the penalty area. The amount of times we put low crosses into the box and don’t have anyone to convert them is a bit ridiculous considering the chances created.
Sounds an interesting proposition. |  |
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| Joel Piroe on 09:07 - Dec 23 with 1618 views | NthQldITFC |
| Joel Piroe on 08:54 - Dec 23 by TheGentlemanViking |
Definitely a striker, and a routine goalscorer too, averages just shy of a goal every other game in the championship. Won the Golden Boot last season. Would be a great signing. |
But not the link up player up top, which is crucial to the structure of the way we play. Without that structure it kind of doesn't really matter very much whether a player is a goalscorer or not, because you have to build the chances for them to score in the first place. |  |
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| Joel Piroe on 09:36 - Dec 23 with 1544 views | StokieBlue |
This is who the Second Tier were suggesting we should go after a few days ago.
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| Joel Piroe on 10:38 - Dec 23 with 1395 views | TheGentlemanViking |
| Joel Piroe on 09:07 - Dec 23 by NthQldITFC |
But not the link up player up top, which is crucial to the structure of the way we play. Without that structure it kind of doesn't really matter very much whether a player is a goalscorer or not, because you have to build the chances for them to score in the first place. |
No, he definitely wouldn't be that. Our hunt for a striker does draw some parallels with Arsenal, neither team really seem set up for a proper goal scoring frontman, more the technical target man role. Arsenal utilise it well with Havertz and Merino, as soon as Gyökeres is in there they don't know how to take advantage of his skill in front of goal.
It does leave our options somewhat reduced if we're looking for somebody who can slot straight into our style. Beyond big Keiffer, McBurnie and Guðjohnsen, most of the Championship top scorers are more traditional CF's, slight, rapid and do their work in the box rather than how Hirst plays. It's going to be really interesting to see which direction we take here, maybe we need to adjust our play style to suit? If we did then Piroe would be a brilliant option. Either way, we need a striker sharpish! | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 10:50 - Dec 23 with 1346 views | NthQldITFC |
| Joel Piroe on 10:38 - Dec 23 by TheGentlemanViking |
No, he definitely wouldn't be that. Our hunt for a striker does draw some parallels with Arsenal, neither team really seem set up for a proper goal scoring frontman, more the technical target man role. Arsenal utilise it well with Havertz and Merino, as soon as Gyökeres is in there they don't know how to take advantage of his skill in front of goal.
It does leave our options somewhat reduced if we're looking for somebody who can slot straight into our style. Beyond big Keiffer, McBurnie and Guðjohnsen, most of the Championship top scorers are more traditional CF's, slight, rapid and do their work in the box rather than how Hirst plays. It's going to be really interesting to see which direction we take here, maybe we need to adjust our play style to suit? If we did then Piroe would be a brilliant option. Either way, we need a striker sharpish! |
I know it's not necessarily possible given individual players' range of abilities, but I'd absolutely love to see us suddenly spring into having an alternative style we can call on. Maybe a 4-3-3 based system? Something that we can switch to in games with maybe one or two substitutions.
No problem at all with out tried and trusted skewed 4-2-3-1 Davis-centric form being our usual arrangement but another, very different, string to the bow would surely be beneficial.
That's when the likes of Akpom, Szmodics and a putative Piroe could work really well. | |
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| Joel Piroe on 11:02 - Dec 23 with 1304 views | Simonds92 |
| Joel Piroe on 08:54 - Dec 23 by TheGentlemanViking |
Definitely a striker, and a routine goalscorer too, averages just shy of a goal every other game in the championship. Won the Golden Boot last season. Would be a great signing. |
I don't know where he played for Swansea but has played very deep for Leeds whenever I've seen them play, more of a no.10 in the style of Rütter. | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 12:37 - Dec 23 with 1203 views | Jon_456 |
| Joel Piroe on 10:38 - Dec 23 by TheGentlemanViking |
No, he definitely wouldn't be that. Our hunt for a striker does draw some parallels with Arsenal, neither team really seem set up for a proper goal scoring frontman, more the technical target man role. Arsenal utilise it well with Havertz and Merino, as soon as Gyökeres is in there they don't know how to take advantage of his skill in front of goal.
It does leave our options somewhat reduced if we're looking for somebody who can slot straight into our style. Beyond big Keiffer, McBurnie and Guðjohnsen, most of the Championship top scorers are more traditional CF's, slight, rapid and do their work in the box rather than how Hirst plays. It's going to be really interesting to see which direction we take here, maybe we need to adjust our play style to suit? If we did then Piroe would be a brilliant option. Either way, we need a striker sharpish! |
A good comparison. Fans need to ask themselves would they rather have a high scoring individual in a low performing team or vice versa.
If you look at Arsenals league stats with Gyokeres starting vs not starting, they have 83.3% win percentage with him and only 40% without him. He may not score as freely as the others but he’s clearly a vital cog.
A very similar position to Hirst really in that goal/assists don’t always tell the full story. | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 12:48 - Dec 23 with 1138 views | Simonds92 |
| Joel Piroe on 12:37 - Dec 23 by Jon_456 |
A good comparison. Fans need to ask themselves would they rather have a high scoring individual in a low performing team or vice versa.
If you look at Arsenals league stats with Gyokeres starting vs not starting, they have 83.3% win percentage with him and only 40% without him. He may not score as freely as the others but he’s clearly a vital cog.
A very similar position to Hirst really in that goal/assists don’t always tell the full story. |
It's not either / or though.
Man City will win the league with the top goalscorer.
This isn't a slight on Hirst btw, just making the point. I really like Hirst but I am a bit disappointed with him this season, I expected him to be a real threat and a standout player for us this season and so far he's just been ok. I would be looking for another Hirst type profile who is a bit more clinical. | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 12:56 - Dec 23 with 1110 views | bournemouthblue |
| Joel Piroe on 08:45 - Dec 23 by Vic |
Not for me. I haven't looked at him stats so I could be wrong, but as I understand it he is a #10. With Nunez fast improving that's not the position we need to fill. IMO we need an out and out CF; even if Hirsty recovers quickly his form in front of goal hasnt been what it was and we really need a goal scorer. |
Double post N/T [Post edited 23 Dec 14:51]
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| Joel Piroe on 12:57 - Dec 23 with 1107 views | bournemouthblue |
| Joel Piroe on 08:45 - Dec 23 by Vic |
Not for me. I haven't looked at him stats so I could be wrong, but as I understand it he is a #10. With Nunez fast improving that's not the position we need to fill. IMO we need an out and out CF; even if Hirsty recovers quickly his form in front of goal hasnt been what it was and we really need a goal scorer. |
This is McKenna we are talking about he loves a number 10
He signed Enciso and Philogene last January rather than a striker | |
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| Joel Piroe on 12:59 - Dec 23 with 1095 views | BouncebackIpswich |
Would be an excellent signing!! Can't he play 9 too? I thought that's what he did at Leeds when they had Summerville and Gnonto behind him. |  | | |
| Joel Piroe on 13:21 - Dec 23 with 1019 views | TheGentlemanViking |
| Joel Piroe on 12:59 - Dec 23 by BouncebackIpswich |
Would be an excellent signing!! Can't he play 9 too? I thought that's what he did at Leeds when they had Summerville and Gnonto behind him. |
He sure can, played most of his career as a 9, the season before last he was a little more fluid with Gnonto, Summerville and Rutter, often dropping deep or wide, but last season was pretty much an out-and-out 9 and finished up as league top scorer.
In 3 seasons as a 9 in the Championship (Swansea & Leeds) he's never hit less than 19 league goals. Even in 23/24 when rotating he still hit 13 despite being played anywhere and everywhere across the front 4.
He'd be great, but definitely not a like-for-like Hirst replacement. We'd need to adjust to him. | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 13:24 - Dec 23 with 1006 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Joel Piroe on 13:21 - Dec 23 by TheGentlemanViking |
He sure can, played most of his career as a 9, the season before last he was a little more fluid with Gnonto, Summerville and Rutter, often dropping deep or wide, but last season was pretty much an out-and-out 9 and finished up as league top scorer.
In 3 seasons as a 9 in the Championship (Swansea & Leeds) he's never hit less than 19 league goals. Even in 23/24 when rotating he still hit 13 despite being played anywhere and everywhere across the front 4.
He'd be great, but definitely not a like-for-like Hirst replacement. We'd need to adjust to him. |
Sounds promising!!! | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 14:42 - Dec 23 with 874 views | Jon_456 |
| Joel Piroe on 12:48 - Dec 23 by Simonds92 |
It's not either / or though.
Man City will win the league with the top goalscorer.
This isn't a slight on Hirst btw, just making the point. I really like Hirst but I am a bit disappointed with him this season, I expected him to be a real threat and a standout player for us this season and so far he's just been ok. I would be looking for another Hirst type profile who is a bit more clinical. |
No I agree but with the way we play, I can’t see us ever having a 20-30 goal a season striker unless he adapts our style.
I think Hirst would also be disappointed so far. I think he was expecting to perform to a higher level than he has and his hold up play hasn’t been anywhere near what it was last time around. In fact this season he looks worse now than he did last year against Premier League defenders. | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 14:54 - Dec 23 with 820 views | bournemouthblue |
| Joel Piroe on 14:42 - Dec 23 by Jon_456 |
No I agree but with the way we play, I can’t see us ever having a 20-30 goal a season striker unless he adapts our style.
I think Hirst would also be disappointed so far. I think he was expecting to perform to a higher level than he has and his hold up play hasn’t been anywhere near what it was last time around. In fact this season he looks worse now than he did last year against Premier League defenders. |
He's had a funny season but hasn't been a total flop either, maybe it's the way sides setup, he is better with space to run into
I don't think his hold up play has ever been that great, there are more intelligent number 9's out there
For size and mobility, there can't be many big men who are faster than him though, we'd do well to find a player like that [Post edited 23 Dec 14:55]
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| Joel Piroe on 14:56 - Dec 23 with 801 views | billlm |
| Joel Piroe on 14:54 - Dec 23 by bournemouthblue |
He's had a funny season but hasn't been a total flop either, maybe it's the way sides setup, he is better with space to run into
I don't think his hold up play has ever been that great, there are more intelligent number 9's out there
For size and mobility, there can't be many big men who are faster than him though, we'd do well to find a player like that [Post edited 23 Dec 14:55]
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He's been poor,
Injury record not helping him or us, [Post edited 23 Dec 14:57]
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| Joel Piroe on 15:03 - Dec 23 with 765 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Joel Piroe on 14:42 - Dec 23 by Jon_456 |
No I agree but with the way we play, I can’t see us ever having a 20-30 goal a season striker unless he adapts our style.
I think Hirst would also be disappointed so far. I think he was expecting to perform to a higher level than he has and his hold up play hasn’t been anywhere near what it was last time around. In fact this season he looks worse now than he did last year against Premier League defenders. |
I think that is a bit of a fallacy. Our strikers get plenty of chances, they just haven't been as prolific as we might hope. Hirst and Azon have missed 21 'big chances' between them so far. | | | |
| Joel Piroe on 15:05 - Dec 23 with 760 views | Jon_456 |
| Joel Piroe on 14:54 - Dec 23 by bournemouthblue |
He's had a funny season but hasn't been a total flop either, maybe it's the way sides setup, he is better with space to run into
I don't think his hold up play has ever been that great, there are more intelligent number 9's out there
For size and mobility, there can't be many big men who are faster than him though, we'd do well to find a player like that [Post edited 23 Dec 14:55]
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I’ve always been quite impressed by his hold up play considering he’s not the biggest lump, although he seems to have bulked up a bit this season.
I don’t think he’s been a flop, I was just expecting him to really kick on this year and be the main man. He’d still be my starter but that’s more because of how poor Azon and Akpom have been rather than Hirst playing really well.
As I said in my original post though, he still does a lot for the team other than G/As that go unnoticed. Particularly his non stop pressing. | | | |
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