| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. 18:45 - Jan 31 with 1962 views | Blaggers12 |
So 35% of our possession was pretty much our two centre backs passing to each other. Burns woefully under used today, and far too pedestrian in breaking down the low block. |  |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 18:46 - Jan 31 with 1493 views | Blue_Heath |
Yawn, not at you but watching that nonsense. |  |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 18:50 - Jan 31 with 1453 views | Kieran_Knows |
But when there’s nobody else to pass it to, what else should we do? If O’Shea or Kipre punt it forward and it goes out of play, or the winger or striker mis times their jumps for headers, they get absolute pelters.
Where’s the midfield? Who has the b0ll0x to go in and get the ball off one of them and make something happen? I’ve had a season ticket for 18 years, been watching us for 25 years and Cajuste has to be the most over rated player I have ever come across.
The bloke does absolutely nothing.
Hopefully, and a very big hopefully, Dan Neil has something about him and get us going in the middle of the park because whilst it’s crucial we get a centre forward in on Monday, we are abysmal in centre mid. |  |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 18:51 - Jan 31 with 1441 views | Zx1988 |
Most frustrating was watching O'Shea sitting on the ball, waiting for a press that was evidently never going to come. We need a much better Plan B for getting up the pitch when it's evident that the opposition are happy to sit back. | |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 18:54 - Jan 31 with 1421 views | Bobbychase |
Joint best defence in the division in terms of goals conceded, alongside Stoke. Can we leave the centre backs out of the moan fest please. |  |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 18:55 - Jan 31 with 1410 views | Blue_Heath |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 18:51 - Jan 31 by Zx1988 |
Most frustrating was watching O'Shea sitting on the ball, waiting for a press that was evidently never going to come. We need a much better Plan B for getting up the pitch when it's evident that the opposition are happy to sit back. |
Teams have sussed us out, let O'Shea, Kipre and Furlong have the ball and wait for an error. | |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 18:56 - Jan 31 with 1405 views | blueoutlook |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 18:50 - Jan 31 by Kieran_Knows |
But when there’s nobody else to pass it to, what else should we do? If O’Shea or Kipre punt it forward and it goes out of play, or the winger or striker mis times their jumps for headers, they get absolute pelters.
Where’s the midfield? Who has the b0ll0x to go in and get the ball off one of them and make something happen? I’ve had a season ticket for 18 years, been watching us for 25 years and Cajuste has to be the most over rated player I have ever come across.
The bloke does absolutely nothing.
Hopefully, and a very big hopefully, Dan Neil has something about him and get us going in the middle of the park because whilst it’s crucial we get a centre forward in on Monday, we are abysmal in centre mid. |
That midfield is terrible . Cajuste is just a passenger most of the time. I hope Neil is the answer but what we need is some real physical guys in the middle who can mix it up. Both Neil and Anis don’t look that type yet again. Kieran always seems to prefer the lightweights, they are never going to boss a physical game. As for striker Ashton and McKenna need to go hide this week if we don’t get one in,because there are going to be some very disgruntled supporters. It’s not like we haven’t wanted one in blo0dy ages after all! |  | | |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:04 - Jan 31 with 1347 views | BluJu |
EXACTLY double the number for passes of the oppo. |  | | |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:10 - Jan 31 with 1306 views | Blaggers12 |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 18:50 - Jan 31 by Kieran_Knows |
But when there’s nobody else to pass it to, what else should we do? If O’Shea or Kipre punt it forward and it goes out of play, or the winger or striker mis times their jumps for headers, they get absolute pelters.
Where’s the midfield? Who has the b0ll0x to go in and get the ball off one of them and make something happen? I’ve had a season ticket for 18 years, been watching us for 25 years and Cajuste has to be the most over rated player I have ever come across.
The bloke does absolutely nothing.
Hopefully, and a very big hopefully, Dan Neil has something about him and get us going in the middle of the park because whilst it’s crucial we get a centre forward in on Monday, we are abysmal in centre mid. |
Is this where we miss Morsy? - ie having someone to pick the ball off the defence and carry it into midfield. Furlong seemed not to want to pass it to Burns today. | |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:18 - Jan 31 with 1271 views | Ipswich24 |
We are so predictable to play against.
Teams just sit off us, put everyone behind the ball whilst we knock it about the back.
Then it's just shear arrogance defending like we do, on the half way line, getting turned and them being through one on one |  |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:22 - Jan 31 with 1237 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:10 - Jan 31 by Blaggers12 |
Is this where we miss Morsy? - ie having someone to pick the ball off the defence and carry it into midfield. Furlong seemed not to want to pass it to Burns today. |
It's not the CM
It's the directive
Looked into a while back, oshea is this season what Morsy was in the promo season
Oshea is the ball carrier and sprays the ball round as much as morsy did, he also creates a large number of attacking phases with his cross balls to clarke, davis etc.
We didn't imo have an issue getting the ball up the pitch. Our issue was we got up the pitch but then passed is sideways across their box. We dont imo get enough balls into the box to cause mayhem and we don't draw enough runners from their defensive lines when they sit in a low block. We are far far to pedestrian in the final third.
Having a different CM coming to get a ball from the cb today wouldnt have effected anything |  |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:28 - Jan 31 with 1223 views | bsw72 |
So explain exactly what the team should be doing then to break down a deep defensive line (I hate the term "low block" - just a new name for something that has always existed), as pumping the ball forward quicker won't work, just means the ball will be lost and just come back quicker . . . |  | | |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:36 - Jan 31 with 1178 views | Blaggers12 |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:22 - Jan 31 by FrimleyBlue |
It's not the CM
It's the directive
Looked into a while back, oshea is this season what Morsy was in the promo season
Oshea is the ball carrier and sprays the ball round as much as morsy did, he also creates a large number of attacking phases with his cross balls to clarke, davis etc.
We didn't imo have an issue getting the ball up the pitch. Our issue was we got up the pitch but then passed is sideways across their box. We dont imo get enough balls into the box to cause mayhem and we don't draw enough runners from their defensive lines when they sit in a low block. We are far far to pedestrian in the final third.
Having a different CM coming to get a ball from the cb today wouldnt have effected anything |
...but O'Shea is nowhere near as good on the ball as Morsy. | |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:38 - Jan 31 with 1160 views | Zx1988 |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:10 - Jan 31 by Blaggers12 |
Is this where we miss Morsy? - ie having someone to pick the ball off the defence and carry it into midfield. Furlong seemed not to want to pass it to Burns today. |
We don't miss Morsy.
Did you see him for Bristol against us, and against Derby last night?
He's well past his best now. | |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:38 - Jan 31 with 1146 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:36 - Jan 31 by Blaggers12 |
...but O'Shea is nowhere near as good on the ball as Morsy. |
he is a cb rather than a midfielder so i wouldnt expect him to be as good tbh. But that's been the way we've played all season. | |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:39 - Jan 31 with 1150 views | homer_123 |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:28 - Jan 31 by bsw72 |
So explain exactly what the team should be doing then to break down a deep defensive line (I hate the term "low block" - just a new name for something that has always existed), as pumping the ball forward quicker won't work, just means the ball will be lost and just come back quicker . . . |
Exactly.
Again today Preston not interested in pressing, completely denying any space to work through, in or wide.
Easy to say 'move the ball quicker' or go in behind but to what? |  |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:42 - Jan 31 with 1119 views | homer_123 |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 18:50 - Jan 31 by Kieran_Knows |
But when there’s nobody else to pass it to, what else should we do? If O’Shea or Kipre punt it forward and it goes out of play, or the winger or striker mis times their jumps for headers, they get absolute pelters.
Where’s the midfield? Who has the b0ll0x to go in and get the ball off one of them and make something happen? I’ve had a season ticket for 18 years, been watching us for 25 years and Cajuste has to be the most over rated player I have ever come across.
The bloke does absolutely nothing.
Hopefully, and a very big hopefully, Dan Neil has something about him and get us going in the middle of the park because whilst it’s crucial we get a centre forward in on Monday, we are abysmal in centre mid. |
Cajuste marked out of the game today.
Preston's work off the ball denied us any space. Those dropping deep were tracked as were those going in behind. | |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:45 - Jan 31 with 1100 views | bartyg |
Are you new to football? |  | | |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:45 - Jan 31 with 1101 views | bsw72 |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:39 - Jan 31 by homer_123 |
Exactly.
Again today Preston not interested in pressing, completely denying any space to work through, in or wide.
Easy to say 'move the ball quicker' or go in behind but to what? |
A guy behind me in the West today was going apoplectic that we weren't getting the ball forward quicker - and then Johnson (I think) pumped it forward aimlessly and it went straight to their players - at which point he started screaming about holding onto the ball more.
Sometimes I despair more at our fans than our players. | | | |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:46 - Jan 31 with 1085 views | Pinewoodblue |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:38 - Jan 31 by FrimleyBlue |
he is a cb rather than a midfielder so i wouldnt expect him to be as good tbh. But that's been the way we've played all season. |
Not sure if it a new feature on BBC website, or if it’s just thst I have only just found it but you can see individual player stats. O’Shea for example did make tackle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo |  |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:47 - Jan 31 with 1076 views | Zx1988 |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:39 - Jan 31 by homer_123 |
Exactly.
Again today Preston not interested in pressing, completely denying any space to work through, in or wide.
Easy to say 'move the ball quicker' or go in behind but to what? |
It feels like there must be a middle way, though?
The opposition get the ball up-field, commit a few men forward, and the ball then ends up with Walton.
All that is achieved by giving the ball to Dara, who proceeds to fail to encourage a press, is that the opposition can reset and 'solidify'.
Those particular circumstances feel as if they call for us to attempt some bold counter-attacking football. | |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:52 - Jan 31 with 1043 views | Durovigutum |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:47 - Jan 31 by Zx1988 |
It feels like there must be a middle way, though?
The opposition get the ball up-field, commit a few men forward, and the ball then ends up with Walton.
All that is achieved by giving the ball to Dara, who proceeds to fail to encourage a press, is that the opposition can reset and 'solidify'.
Those particular circumstances feel as if they call for us to attempt some bold counter-attacking football. |
We have to be more willing to gamble with a pass through the low block, instead of playing horseshoe of doom with an oppo keeping us at arms length. We don’t make the defenders work against a player on possession, holding shape is simple in comparison |  | | |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:52 - Jan 31 with 1036 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:47 - Jan 31 by Zx1988 |
It feels like there must be a middle way, though?
The opposition get the ball up-field, commit a few men forward, and the ball then ends up with Walton.
All that is achieved by giving the ball to Dara, who proceeds to fail to encourage a press, is that the opposition can reset and 'solidify'.
Those particular circumstances feel as if they call for us to attempt some bold counter-attacking football. |
Giving teams time to get back in shape is the frustrating thing for me. Our champagne goals in 23/24 were all when we moved the ball forward with pace and were fairly direct, with maybe only 3 passes from Hladky to the goal. That rarely seems to happen now - we’re much more formulaic and controlled (or slow and predictable if you prefer). |  |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 20:07 - Jan 31 with 940 views | cbower |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 18:50 - Jan 31 by Kieran_Knows |
But when there’s nobody else to pass it to, what else should we do? If O’Shea or Kipre punt it forward and it goes out of play, or the winger or striker mis times their jumps for headers, they get absolute pelters.
Where’s the midfield? Who has the b0ll0x to go in and get the ball off one of them and make something happen? I’ve had a season ticket for 18 years, been watching us for 25 years and Cajuste has to be the most over rated player I have ever come across.
The bloke does absolutely nothing.
Hopefully, and a very big hopefully, Dan Neil has something about him and get us going in the middle of the park because whilst it’s crucial we get a centre forward in on Monday, we are abysmal in centre mid. |
Spot on about Cajuste. A passenger for 90% of his time on the pitch almost every game. |  |
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| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 20:13 - Jan 31 with 903 views | chantryblueboy |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 19:22 - Jan 31 by FrimleyBlue |
It's not the CM
It's the directive
Looked into a while back, oshea is this season what Morsy was in the promo season
Oshea is the ball carrier and sprays the ball round as much as morsy did, he also creates a large number of attacking phases with his cross balls to clarke, davis etc.
We didn't imo have an issue getting the ball up the pitch. Our issue was we got up the pitch but then passed is sideways across their box. We dont imo get enough balls into the box to cause mayhem and we don't draw enough runners from their defensive lines when they sit in a low block. We are far far to pedestrian in the final third.
Having a different CM coming to get a ball from the cb today wouldnt have effected anything |
Complete nonsense. Morsy was able to drive with the ball which meant that he himself could be a threat, so teams couldn’t just stand off and let him have it - which is exactly what they do to O’Shea because he can’t | | | |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 20:27 - Jan 31 with 813 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 528 passes today, of which O'Shea/Kipre made 182. on 20:13 - Jan 31 by chantryblueboy |
Complete nonsense. Morsy was able to drive with the ball which meant that he himself could be a threat, so teams couldn’t just stand off and let him have it - which is exactly what they do to O’Shea because he can’t |
We're not asking oshea to be morsy, driving forwards with the ball into the oponents half, we're asking our cb to slowly bring the ball out and provide varying aspects of ball distribution, some are passes to kipre, some to furlong, some on the diag, some into the channel.
We're not asking any midfielder to be a morsy
Ohsea, and the backline are doing absolutely what is being requested of them with the ball.
It also worked extremely well. we were constantly getting the ball around the preston box.
So no it's not nonsense. | |
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