| Starmer is a dead man walking 12:37 - Feb 4 with 17248 views | hype313 |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:29 - Feb 5 with 1210 views | Ryorry |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 07:52 - Feb 5 by DJR |
Professor Vernon Bogdanor, the constitutional expert, described Cameron as one of the ablest students he had taught.
But whilst Cameron was undoubtedly bright, I think he lacked common sense and attention to detail, as well as being lazy.
This meant he left ministers to get on with things (failing Grayling springs to mind), and it is difficult to think of any policy of his government that stood up to scrutiny.
As evidence of his laziness, a friend of mine attended a reception at No.10 at which Cameron was meant to be present. But on the day he was nowhere to be seen because he was playing tennis.
The bizarre thing is that Teflon Dave (or Call Me Dave) never received much in the way of criticism for the many disasters he was involved in: Libya springs to mind, which as well as being a failed state is a source of many people entering Europe in recent years. [Post edited 5 Feb 8:09]
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“I think he lacked common sense and attention to detail, as well as being lazy”
I think he was corrupt, desperate to hang on to power by trying to unite his party (which meant kowtowing to Rees-Smug & the ERG) + lining his own pockets and theirs.
I don’t doubt that he was also lazy, lacked common sense and attention to detail. |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:29 - Feb 5 with 1210 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:13 - Feb 5 by grow_our_own |
Bingo isn't always bullsh!t. I take back "avowed", but he's always side-stepped when asked whether he supports Marxism. Fact is, Corbyn's is the politics of the few, not the many. He fights a class war, when the majority are no longer working class. If a country is a failing communist dictatorship, then Corbyn is generally a fan, eg Venezuela. Was happy for Ukraine to be armed only with strong language when facing Russian invasion in 2022. |
Total nonsense.
Moderate democratic socialism isn't Marxism.
It's amusing to me that in the middle of the inevitable and highly predictable collapse of this government, so many defenders of the centrist creed return to Corbyn as the problem. He's not been leader of the Labour party for nearly 6 years.
In my opinion it's projection of a kind. They must know that in destroying the last chance the country had in 2019 they are partly culpable.
The smugness of the 'News Agents', 'Rest is Politics' 'Rory Stewart is a good Tory' James O'Brien battalion undone.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
You're getting a Reform majority government. The final death throes of centrism delivering this. |  | | |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:30 - Feb 5 with 1201 views | leitrimblue |
Could be a good time to set up a political party to represent that minority working class. ( as the middle class is already represented by other parties)
I dunno, but I quite like the idea of calling it the Labour party  |  | | |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:35 - Feb 5 with 1174 views | Ryorry |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:30 - Feb 5 by leitrimblue |
Could be a good time to set up a political party to represent that minority working class. ( as the middle class is already represented by other parties)
I dunno, but I quite like the idea of calling it the Labour party |
I tried to set up a new left-leaning political party on here a few years ago, but couldn’t find anyone with an economics degree who was willing to be Chancellor of the Exchequer! | |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:39 - Feb 5 with 1155 views | leitrimblue |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:35 - Feb 5 by Ryorry |
I tried to set up a new left-leaning political party on here a few years ago, but couldn’t find anyone with an economics degree who was willing to be Chancellor of the Exchequer! |
Would love to help Ryorry, but my maths skills are shocking.
Keep me informed if any ever vacancies become available | | | |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:42 - Feb 5 with 1135 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:35 - Feb 5 by Ryorry |
I tried to set up a new left-leaning political party on here a few years ago, but couldn’t find anyone with an economics degree who was willing to be Chancellor of the Exchequer! |
I do but apparently Economics is frowned upon in here, so wouldn’t want to stick my head above the parapets in politics. |  | | |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:48 - Feb 5 with 1113 views | Leaky |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 13:36 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Only losing a vote of confidence can bring the government down and they have a massive majority. It would just be a change of leader/PM. |
So its better the idiot you know, rather than another idiot |  | | |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:55 - Feb 5 with 1065 views | Ryorry |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 07:31 - Feb 5 by Dubtractor |
I think it's a pretty damning verdict on Starmer that almost everyone thinks he/the government is doing a bad job.
Reform voters think he a socialist inviting immigrants in (despite the opposite being true)
What's left of the tories hate his tax policies and impacts on farmers
Anyone left of centre thinks he is basically a tory
Lib dems probably all see him as damaged goods, and to the right of Ed Davey.
Green's are laughing as their group grows as disappointed labour voters go to them.
You're left with a shrinking group of centrists/loyalists who probably remain unimpressed but stick with the 'consider the alternative' view that it could (probably will be) be much worse if eg reform get in.
Taking control of the country at the time they did, with the combined impact of covid, Liz truss disaster budget, and 14 years of managed decline was always a bit of a hospital pass, but even allowing for that they have really made a mess of it. [Post edited 5 Feb 7:34]
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That’s the Greens whose latest on the hoof policy is to abolish the private rental sector, without any accompanying plans as to where the millions of people thereby made homeless would actually live.
Before their last leadership change, Lucas’ bright idea was to ban barbed wire, with zero accompanying plan as to how already struggling farmers would ever be able to afford it (stockproof fencing alternatives are incredibly expensive).
Our Greens need to grow up & come out with serious, workable policies; they will then get my vote. | |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:56 - Feb 5 with 1056 views | jayessess |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:29 - Feb 5 by jasondozzell |
Total nonsense.
Moderate democratic socialism isn't Marxism.
It's amusing to me that in the middle of the inevitable and highly predictable collapse of this government, so many defenders of the centrist creed return to Corbyn as the problem. He's not been leader of the Labour party for nearly 6 years.
In my opinion it's projection of a kind. They must know that in destroying the last chance the country had in 2019 they are partly culpable.
The smugness of the 'News Agents', 'Rest is Politics' 'Rory Stewart is a good Tory' James O'Brien battalion undone.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
You're getting a Reform majority government. The final death throes of centrism delivering this. |
Beyond re-litigating Corbynism, if you look back at 2020 there was all this extremely problematic stuff with Starmer having him as a key political adviser and it was bad at the time that no-one contested it. Since then he's apparently been deeply involved in candidate selection for the 2024 election, lobbying for the seedy US tech firm Palantir to be involved with the NHS (whilst his protege Streeting is health secretary!).
All of this basically allowed to unfold by the media, senior Labour Party people etc, basically because crushing the Labour Left was more important. |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:59 - Feb 5 with 1038 views | Ryorry |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:42 - Feb 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I do but apparently Economics is frowned upon in here, so wouldn’t want to stick my head above the parapets in politics. |
That’s the trouble, no one does!
Come on brave people of TWTD, step forward :) | |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 11:13 - Feb 5 with 971 views | Benters |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:30 - Feb 5 by leitrimblue |
Could be a good time to set up a political party to represent that minority working class. ( as the middle class is already represented by other parties)
I dunno, but I quite like the idea of calling it the Labour party |
That is when my parents voted Labour back in the 1960s and 1970s . |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 12:32 - Feb 5 with 880 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:08 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
They should get the tit wizard on tv more often. He's gold.
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Well, that's a bit of a car crash.
Fk it, we should just ask to be conquered by Sweden as we obviously can't be trusted to look after ourselves. Or maybe the Maldives, somewhere hot and sunny where we can go to get away from the ineptness. |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 12:45 - Feb 5 with 841 views | mutters |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 09:22 - Feb 5 by DJR |
My workings are that I don't like the expression gamechanger, apart from its use by our owners. |
Yep that'll do! |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 13:58 - Feb 5 with 753 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:29 - Feb 5 by jasondozzell |
Total nonsense.
Moderate democratic socialism isn't Marxism.
It's amusing to me that in the middle of the inevitable and highly predictable collapse of this government, so many defenders of the centrist creed return to Corbyn as the problem. He's not been leader of the Labour party for nearly 6 years.
In my opinion it's projection of a kind. They must know that in destroying the last chance the country had in 2019 they are partly culpable.
The smugness of the 'News Agents', 'Rest is Politics' 'Rory Stewart is a good Tory' James O'Brien battalion undone.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
You're getting a Reform majority government. The final death throes of centrism delivering this. |
I voted for and supported Corbyn, but with the best will in the world he lost. So I accepted Starmer as he could win. Whether he's fecked up or not is neither here nor there, we had a chance of getting the Tories out so we took it. Corbyn demonstrably wasn't able to do that, for whatever reasons.
Who "destroyed the last chance the country had in 2019"? We voted for Corbyn, it didn't work. He didn't appeal enough to supporters of other parties.
Constantly attacking people who like 'News Agents', 'Rest is Politics' 'Rory Stewart and James O'Brien, and claiming some moral victory/point scoring on the internet doesn't achieve anything.
Are you suggesting Labour should've stuck with Corbyn even though he lost... and that he would now either be in power and able to stop Reform, or would be stopping Reform as the opposition?! |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 14:07 - Feb 5 with 737 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:55 - Feb 5 by Ryorry |
That’s the Greens whose latest on the hoof policy is to abolish the private rental sector, without any accompanying plans as to where the millions of people thereby made homeless would actually live.
Before their last leadership change, Lucas’ bright idea was to ban barbed wire, with zero accompanying plan as to how already struggling farmers would ever be able to afford it (stockproof fencing alternatives are incredibly expensive).
Our Greens need to grow up & come out with serious, workable policies; they will then get my vote. |
Not true. They are not wanting to "abolish the private rental sector" and it's not true that they don't have any plans or that anyone would be made homeless.
It’s about shrinking the private sector’s dominance over housing and expanding socially owned housing. | |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 14:11 - Feb 5 with 731 views | J2BLUE |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:29 - Feb 5 by jasondozzell |
Total nonsense.
Moderate democratic socialism isn't Marxism.
It's amusing to me that in the middle of the inevitable and highly predictable collapse of this government, so many defenders of the centrist creed return to Corbyn as the problem. He's not been leader of the Labour party for nearly 6 years.
In my opinion it's projection of a kind. They must know that in destroying the last chance the country had in 2019 they are partly culpable.
The smugness of the 'News Agents', 'Rest is Politics' 'Rory Stewart is a good Tory' James O'Brien battalion undone.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
You're getting a Reform majority government. The final death throes of centrism delivering this. |
They must know that in destroying the last chance the country had in 2019 they are partly culpable.
Oh come on. Let's have a bit of honesty. Corbyn was a disaster. The country just didn't want him. You might be a fan but why is it so hard for you lot to accept that the country did not want him? You all act like people are too stupid to see he was the answer. He wasn't the answer. |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 14:26 - Feb 5 with 679 views | Dubtractor |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 14:11 - Feb 5 by J2BLUE |
They must know that in destroying the last chance the country had in 2019 they are partly culpable.
Oh come on. Let's have a bit of honesty. Corbyn was a disaster. The country just didn't want him. You might be a fan but why is it so hard for you lot to accept that the country did not want him? You all act like people are too stupid to see he was the answer. He wasn't the answer. |
I've got a lot of time for Dozzers, but his 'I was right all along, and the rest of you are dumb f#cks' act makes him come across as a bit of a bellend, and i say that despite in some parts agreeing with him.
And it jars with his pleas for unity and unrelenting positivity on the football front - it's quite hard to reconcile it as being the same poster. |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 14:33 - Feb 5 with 657 views | WD19 |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 19:50 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Isn't too soon after her resignation to have any chance of success? The tax stuff will follow her around in the media and from the opposition.
My wife is a Labour party member and was a big fan of Rayner but felt very let down by the mess she got herself in over CGT.
You also have to add the Trump factor. Regardless of our own personal feelings about Trump, we still need the USA as a trading and strategic ally. I can't see Raynor having the diplomatic skills or the gravitas to deal with Trump.
I think Wes Streeting is the person most likely to carefuly tread that path. [Post edited 4 Feb 19:50]
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You would think so, but apparently she doesnt. From people who I know who are close to all the private dinners and stuff that goes on, she is apparently considering herself almost nailed on to be the next PM in the very near future.
Potentially delusional, but she is certainly confident. |  | | |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 14:35 - Feb 5 with 652 views | DJR |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:03 - Feb 5 by itfcjoe |
There is an element with Corbyn, and I voted for him even though probably wouldn't have wanted him to be the PM, that his world view, and what he sees as important is (or maybe was as things become more active on socials) just incredibly out of the lockstep of the normal 'man on the street' which I would say I am.
Whilst I'm sure he's a good, decent man in many respects - I just couldn't get on board with the foreign policy both in the who and the how important it is to people around him.
Maybe that says more about me, and frankly if people think that then so be it - but I just don't see how this helps what are the working classes in this country and it is just such a turn off |
And you have expressed that view in a perfectly reasonable way, and without any smears.
It was the smears that I was talking about and they are clearly designed to tar the subject and close down debate. [Post edited 5 Feb 14:39]
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 14:35 - Feb 5 with 650 views | WeWereZombies |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 14:11 - Feb 5 by J2BLUE |
They must know that in destroying the last chance the country had in 2019 they are partly culpable.
Oh come on. Let's have a bit of honesty. Corbyn was a disaster. The country just didn't want him. You might be a fan but why is it so hard for you lot to accept that the country did not want him? You all act like people are too stupid to see he was the answer. He wasn't the answer. |
perhaps it would be more accurate to think of Corbyn as an answer but a poor one. He would have changed some of his policies if he had been elected and then confronted with the stark reality of being Prime Minister. And that would have alienated his core support, cue the infighting on steroids.
But at least he was a possible answer, Farage is the wrong answer to a question that isn't even on the exam paper... |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 14:44 - Feb 5 with 613 views | lowhouseblue |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 14:35 - Feb 5 by DJR |
And you have expressed that view in a perfectly reasonable way, and without any smears.
It was the smears that I was talking about and they are clearly designed to tar the subject and close down debate. [Post edited 5 Feb 14:39]
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in terms of his approach to world affairs, do his frequent appearances on russia today and press tv count as smears or inconvenient facts? |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 15:11 - Feb 5 with 551 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 14:33 - Feb 5 by WD19 |
You would think so, but apparently she doesnt. From people who I know who are close to all the private dinners and stuff that goes on, she is apparently considering herself almost nailed on to be the next PM in the very near future.
Potentially delusional, but she is certainly confident. |
I think she would win the members vote of it was a choice between her and Streeting. Same with the Unions. But Streeting would win the PLP vote which is usually the best barometer of someone's suitability. |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 15:14 - Feb 5 with 541 views | DJR |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 14:44 - Feb 5 by lowhouseblue |
in terms of his approach to world affairs, do his frequent appearances on russia today and press tv count as smears or inconvenient facts? |
I thought there were only facts and alternative facts. | | | |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 15:16 - Feb 5 with 528 views | lowhouseblue |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 15:14 - Feb 5 by DJR |
I thought there were only facts and alternative facts. |
or perhaps he was just self-smearing. | |
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