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Greens odds on to win with Reform 2nd and Labour 3rd. Surely that would be the end of Starmer if that happened. One can only hope. I cant see some members of the party waiting for the annihilation in the May elections. https://www.oddschecker.com/po
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:02 - Feb 27 with 1053 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:36 - Feb 27 by Blueschev
They'll attack them on any and everything. I saw an article in the Spectator today warning that they're morphing in to an Islamic Party.
Slight tangent but someone made a Headline generator for Sunday Telegraph editor and it's a good lark. Input your topic and it makes pretty convincing Telegraph headlines. It rather absurd that I can picture those appearing in the Telegraph/Spectator/etc...
"The insidious march of Greens will leave us impoverished and unfree" "How the Green Party obsession destroyed the soul of the Conservative Party" "Zach Polanski is the most dangerous delusion since the dawn of the Soviet Union" "How Zach Polanski became the foundation of a new, terrifying socialist order"
And as a joke I threw in some silly ones: "Starmer’s zealous embrace of Delia is the greatest mistake in modern political history" "The inevitable failure of Norwich will drag the entire West down with it"
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:04 - Feb 27 with 1041 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:29 - Feb 27 by leitrimblue
It's gonna be the drug thing innit. Rather then having a grown up discussion about addiction and the devastation it causes in communities and attempting to formulate a plan to improve the situation its gonna be the Greens are going to force every adult and child to mainline Crack.
Yer just know it
I thought this was good from Polanski but it will probably never cut through.
Back at the Green press conference, Zack Polanski criticised Labour for the way it attacked the Greens over their plans to legalise drugs. He said drugs were a serious issue. He went on:
"We have the highest death rate from drugs in the whole of Europe.
And Keir Starmer, rather than taking a public health approach or looking at harm reduction, thought it sensible to make cheap political attacks.
Now that’s all water under the bridge because Hannah’s sat here as the MP.
But I do hope this Labour government will reflect on how they’ve conducted themselves during this campaign, how they’ve taken some really serious issues, trivialised them and made them into cheap political points.
Whereas actually, I think the public are in a lot more mature and nuanced place than sometimes politicians who have been around for too long and … don’t have the courage to lead."
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:08 - Feb 27 with 1016 views
This is from James Ball, political editor of the New World (previously the New European), on the sectarian voting claims.
"The current argument of the British right is that Muslims turned out in “blocs” with “family voting” to cast their ballots for a party led by a gay Jewish man, and this shows that multiculturalism has failed, voting is “sectarian” and we are in a crisis.
Hmmmmmm."
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:15 - Feb 27 with 991 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:08 - Feb 27 by DJR
This is from James Ball, political editor of the New World (previously the New European), on the sectarian voting claims.
"The current argument of the British right is that Muslims turned out in “blocs” with “family voting” to cast their ballots for a party led by a gay Jewish man, and this shows that multiculturalism has failed, voting is “sectarian” and we are in a crisis.
Hmmmmmm."
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I very nearly posted the very same quote at the very same time (from the Graun live text), but I had to go and make a cup of coffee!
Good work by Philogene...... GREAT WORK BY PHILOGENE!!!
Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:02 - Feb 27 by Kievthegreat
Slight tangent but someone made a Headline generator for Sunday Telegraph editor and it's a good lark. Input your topic and it makes pretty convincing Telegraph headlines. It rather absurd that I can picture those appearing in the Telegraph/Spectator/etc...
"The insidious march of Greens will leave us impoverished and unfree" "How the Green Party obsession destroyed the soul of the Conservative Party" "Zach Polanski is the most dangerous delusion since the dawn of the Soviet Union" "How Zach Polanski became the foundation of a new, terrifying socialist order"
And as a joke I threw in some silly ones: "Starmer’s zealous embrace of Delia is the greatest mistake in modern political history" "The inevitable failure of Norwich will drag the entire West down with it"
Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:15 - Feb 27 by NthQldITFC
I very nearly posted the very same quote at the very same time (from the Graun live text), but I had to go and make a cup of coffee!
Here's something else from the Guardian which sums up my feeling (as a former member of the party) well. Clive Lewis, like me, supports PR.
Labour MP Clive Lewis has called for a “clean break” for the party after the Gorton and Denton byelection, describing the defeat as “a punch in the face”.
The Norwich South MP, a prominent left-wing critic of the current leadership, said:
"The byelection result is a punch in the face for the Labour Party and for Keir Starmer’s premiership.
This government has burned its base, alienated its core vote, sidelined its activists and stuck two fingers up to the very people we came into politics to represent – and we’re surprised voters are walking away?
Changing the leader without changing the politics would be a waste of time.
The problem isn’t presentation. It’s direction. We promised change and delivered continuity. We talk tough but govern timid. We protect vested interests when we should be taking them on.
Reform is growing because millions feel ignored and taken for granted. If we don’t offer real change, they’ll channel their anger elsewhere, as they have this week in Denton and Gorton.
Stopping Reform now has to be the priority. But Labour can’t do that from a position of arrogance or denial. We will need to work with other progressive parties.
That means co-operation. It means democratic reform. It means accepting we do not own the centre-left vote.
None of that happens unless Labour changes fundamentally. Not tweaks. Not reshuffles. A clean break.
If we carry on like this, we won’t just lose byelections. We’ll lose the country for a generation."
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:48 - Feb 27 with 878 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:40 - Feb 27 by DJR
Here's something else from the Guardian which sums up my feeling (as a former member of the party) well. Clive Lewis, like me, supports PR.
Labour MP Clive Lewis has called for a “clean break” for the party after the Gorton and Denton byelection, describing the defeat as “a punch in the face”.
The Norwich South MP, a prominent left-wing critic of the current leadership, said:
"The byelection result is a punch in the face for the Labour Party and for Keir Starmer’s premiership.
This government has burned its base, alienated its core vote, sidelined its activists and stuck two fingers up to the very people we came into politics to represent – and we’re surprised voters are walking away?
Changing the leader without changing the politics would be a waste of time.
The problem isn’t presentation. It’s direction. We promised change and delivered continuity. We talk tough but govern timid. We protect vested interests when we should be taking them on.
Reform is growing because millions feel ignored and taken for granted. If we don’t offer real change, they’ll channel their anger elsewhere, as they have this week in Denton and Gorton.
Stopping Reform now has to be the priority. But Labour can’t do that from a position of arrogance or denial. We will need to work with other progressive parties.
That means co-operation. It means democratic reform. It means accepting we do not own the centre-left vote.
None of that happens unless Labour changes fundamentally. Not tweaks. Not reshuffles. A clean break.
If we carry on like this, we won’t just lose byelections. We’ll lose the country for a generation."
I think Clive Lewis would make a good leader of the Labour Party, though I know there's now zero chance of that ever happening.
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:15 - Feb 27 with 797 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:10 - Feb 27 by Blueschev
I think Clive Lewis would make a good leader of the Labour Party, though I know there's now zero chance of that ever happening.
I've always liked him and think he is very thoughtful. He even served a three month tour of duty in Afghanistan which one might have thought would have got him somewhere in this day and age.
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:16 - Feb 27 with 789 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:09 - Feb 27 by DJR
A friend of mine with a subscription to the Telegraph gave me a bonus subscription to its digital version for a year or so recently.
It is fully committed to Reform agenda and is very insidious.
My friend (a chartered account) will vote Reform at the next election, and I know a solicitor couple who read the paper and will do the same.
The world is portrays is very scary and it clearly cuts through to those who read it.
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Do you think they’ll vote Reform because of what they’re reading in the Telegraph, or reading the Telegraph because it supports their reasons for voting Reform?
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:41 - Feb 27 with 711 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 12:53 - Feb 27 by eireblue
I should hope so.
I am sure the Green Party don’t want people with antisemitic views in their ranks, and will want people with the intelligence and ability to express themselves, and act clearly without prejudice and bias.
So when incidents are found the quicker it is rooted out the better.
Surely
Goodness knows how GB is up voting stuff he can't see!!
I've learnt no to waste too much time on GB's links but is that second one really a being interviewed by someone who might be antisemitic variety of antisemitism?
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"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Gorton and Denton By-election on 07:54 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue
Again, you’re guilty of Trump-like smears. The actual report said that “in one polling station alone the team observed 32 cases of family voting in a sample of 545 voters casting their votes”.
"Trump like smears". FFS
I'd obviously mis-read the 32 votes context as had just jumped off a flight to the US, where I will get to observe true voter intimidation and fraud :)
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:48 - Feb 27 with 687 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:47 - Feb 27 by ElderGrizzly
"Trump like smears". FFS
I'd obviously mis-read the 32 votes context as had just jumped off a flight to the US, where I will get to observe true voter intimidation and fraud :)
Gorton and Denton By-election by GlasgowBlue27 Feb 7:48 Aren’t you guilty of Trump-like smears. From a bit of quick research I’ve found that they were founded by their current Director John Auld, a former Liberal Democrat (are you still a member?) councillor and former Chair of The Electoral Reform Society, a body that campaigns to end the first by the post system in favour of proportional representation.
They receive funding through grants from charities such as the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust and the Andrew Wainwright Reform Trust. They are officially accredited as election observers by the Electoral Commission.
FREE IRAN FROM THE MULLAHS - FREE PALESTINE FROM HAMAS - FREE LEBANON FROM HEZBOLLAH
Gorton and Denton By-election on 07:37 - Feb 27 by DJR
Where were you?
As it is, there was no special election programme on the radio overnight but I checked my phone each time I drifted out of sleep, and missed the election result by a few minutes.
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I was there …. In the shadows,I didn’t wake you, you looked so peaceful… I just watched you.
If you want to believe that stuff about the Green Abyss ( sounds kind of nice ) then you'll believe it. It's also possible to spend 2 seconds remembering 14 years ( and all the rest ) of Tory chaos and Farage being a traitor.
It struck me that short of having PR, people are beginning to vote 'as if' we have PR. IE: I'll vote for exactly who I want and not for someone I think might win or against who I don't like.
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:21 - Feb 27 with 465 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 16:42 - Feb 27 by RadioOrwell
If you want to believe that stuff about the Green Abyss ( sounds kind of nice ) then you'll believe it. It's also possible to spend 2 seconds remembering 14 years ( and all the rest ) of Tory chaos and Farage being a traitor.
It struck me that short of having PR, people are beginning to vote 'as if' we have PR. IE: I'll vote for exactly who I want and not for someone I think might win or against who I don't like.
Of course, if predictions about climate change are correct, the abyss is exactly where we are heading because we have ignored Green politics for so many decades.
I don't agree with your final paragraph, though. The vast majority of votes were cast for one of the 3 parties who pollsters had as the potential winners.
"Shabana Mahmood vows to stick with hardline migration policies after byelection defeat"
This from another article suggests her approach is also alienating people from the non-white population who would once have voted Labour.
"Since the election, anger at the party’s stance on Gaza has been exacerbated by fury at its approach to immigration. Labour MPs say they found many Muslim voters mentioning the name of Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary and one of the country’s most prominent Muslim politicians – and not in a good way.
“Lots of people were angry at Shabana and our approach to immigration in general,” said one MP. The person added they had encountered a lot of hostility to the government’s plans to make it harder for migrants to earn settled status in the UK. “Several people said these rules would not have allowed their parents to make their lives here.”
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 12:20 - Feb 28 with 220 views
"Shabana Mahmood vows to stick with hardline migration policies after byelection defeat"
This from another article suggests her approach is also alienating people from the non-white population who would once have voted Labour.
"Since the election, anger at the party’s stance on Gaza has been exacerbated by fury at its approach to immigration. Labour MPs say they found many Muslim voters mentioning the name of Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary and one of the country’s most prominent Muslim politicians – and not in a good way.
“Lots of people were angry at Shabana and our approach to immigration in general,” said one MP. The person added they had encountered a lot of hostility to the government’s plans to make it harder for migrants to earn settled status in the UK. “Several people said these rules would not have allowed their parents to make their lives here.”
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the thing is that the reforms are popular across all sections of the electorate except a small minority on the left. by a large majority the electorate want effective controls. the government has to appeal to that wider electorate, it can't base policies on the usual 10 to 15% off to the left. labour's core base has to be much wider than that.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 12:46 - Feb 28 with 188 views
"Shabana Mahmood vows to stick with hardline migration policies after byelection defeat"
This from another article suggests her approach is also alienating people from the non-white population who would once have voted Labour.
"Since the election, anger at the party’s stance on Gaza has been exacerbated by fury at its approach to immigration. Labour MPs say they found many Muslim voters mentioning the name of Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary and one of the country’s most prominent Muslim politicians – and not in a good way.
“Lots of people were angry at Shabana and our approach to immigration in general,” said one MP. The person added they had encountered a lot of hostility to the government’s plans to make it harder for migrants to earn settled status in the UK. “Several people said these rules would not have allowed their parents to make their lives here.”
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Not sure about that.
Let's see how the Greens do on a national level with their desire for open borders. A by election where it makes little difference and the chance to give the government a bloody nose isn't the best indicator.
Gorton and Denton By-election on 12:46 - Feb 28 by J2BLUE
Not sure about that.
Let's see how the Greens do on a national level with their desire for open borders. A by election where it makes little difference and the chance to give the government a bloody nose isn't the best indicator.
You know how you were wrong on Brexit, I think you may have misunderstood the Green Party on open borders, you have mentioned that a number of times, in the same way Brexit supporting people repeated nonsense sound bites.
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:53 - Feb 28 with 86 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 12:46 - Feb 28 by J2BLUE
Not sure about that.
Let's see how the Greens do on a national level with their desire for open borders. A by election where it makes little difference and the chance to give the government a bloody nose isn't the best indicator.
The Green Party does not have an open borders policy.
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