| Egeli the elephant (in the room). 19:48 - Feb 21 with 2631 views | Illinoisblue |
18miilion signing left on the bench unused. What’s going on there? Does anyone know what we’ve bought? Striker, winger, 10? |  |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 19:53 - Feb 21 with 2367 views | blueoutlook |
He is a kid in a new country. His time will come,but not this season. I don’t really think a club our size can have £18 million pound projects we aren’t Chelsea or Man City. That money could have been used on a quality number 9. |  | | |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 19:56 - Feb 21 with 2343 views | gainsboroughblue |
You know what. I was listening on the radio today and at no point did I a. call on him to be brought on or even b. remember he was an option.
I feel sad for him as he has no control over that fee and he is still a teenager in a new country but in the second tier of English football, we have smashed the transfer record on a project while fumbling around for answers to our right hand side to realise the best player in that position was already in the building, albeit injured.
I really hope this year turns out to a beneficial one rather than one that hampers his development. It is definitely a signing made with an eye on a large profit further down the line, but in terms of the here and now and what we need at the moment, we've sold other areas short. |  |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 19:58 - Feb 21 with 2318 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We know what’s going on tbh, a kid who’s not kicked on and seems to be lacking confidence. I’m more concerned with the performances for those on the pitch. |  |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 20:05 - Feb 21 with 2209 views | Illinoisblue |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 19:56 - Feb 21 by gainsboroughblue |
You know what. I was listening on the radio today and at no point did I a. call on him to be brought on or even b. remember he was an option.
I feel sad for him as he has no control over that fee and he is still a teenager in a new country but in the second tier of English football, we have smashed the transfer record on a project while fumbling around for answers to our right hand side to realise the best player in that position was already in the building, albeit injured.
I really hope this year turns out to a beneficial one rather than one that hampers his development. It is definitely a signing made with an eye on a large profit further down the line, but in terms of the here and now and what we need at the moment, we've sold other areas short. |
I’m not against gambling on a “project” that could pay off but I still don’t know what position he plays. Started the season on the right, cutting in with occasional nice cross field balls, an assist at QPR, and a couple of goals. But now McAteer seems to be ahead of him in that spot and I can’t believe that’s his best position.
The less said about McAteer’s crossfield pass out of play in the 95th minute the better. Not that it mattered but a good visual summary of the crapness of the day. | |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 20:14 - Feb 21 with 2125 views | mrshallisfit |
He needs to grow up/man up quickly. Walking around looking misreable doesnt help anyone. He is old enough and big enough now. Does he want the life of a professional well paid footballer. If so, he has to earn it. Or perhaps he isnt the real deal as we thought he would be. |  | | |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 20:18 - Feb 21 with 2082 views | LeoMuff |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 19:53 - Feb 21 by blueoutlook |
He is a kid in a new country. His time will come,but not this season. I don’t really think a club our size can have £18 million pound projects we aren’t Chelsea or Man City. That money could have been used on a quality number 9. |
I agree, £18m projects are really for he premier league, I like our ambition but it feels too risky. We should be gambling on players in the £5m bracket and investing in championship ready quality. |  |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 20:26 - Feb 21 with 2011 views | keighleyblue |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 20:14 - Feb 21 by mrshallisfit |
He needs to grow up/man up quickly. Walking around looking misreable doesnt help anyone. He is old enough and big enough now. Does he want the life of a professional well paid footballer. If so, he has to earn it. Or perhaps he isnt the real deal as we thought he would be. |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 21:01 - Feb 21 with 1860 views | Funge |
Pretty much £40m (Forty million) on that right hand side this last 18 months, between Egman, McAteer, and Ogbene - and £200k Wes Burns is, by some distance, the obvious choice to play there.
I mean, honestly, what the fck are we doing? And by 'we', I mean you, Ashton. |  | | |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 21:04 - Feb 21 with 1812 views | pointofblue |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 20:14 - Feb 21 by mrshallisfit |
He needs to grow up/man up quickly. Walking around looking misreable doesnt help anyone. He is old enough and big enough now. Does he want the life of a professional well paid footballer. If so, he has to earn it. Or perhaps he isnt the real deal as we thought he would be. |
There are many words I could call this post. I'll leave it at classless. | |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 21:05 - Feb 21 with 1788 views | Weekender |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 21:01 - Feb 21 by Funge |
Pretty much £40m (Forty million) on that right hand side this last 18 months, between Egman, McAteer, and Ogbene - and £200k Wes Burns is, by some distance, the obvious choice to play there.
I mean, honestly, what the fck are we doing? And by 'we', I mean you, Ashton. |
Is it Ashton though? Hasn’t it clearly been said before the recruitment team finds players and they get signed off by mckenna and the coaches. |  |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 21:09 - Feb 21 with 1750 views | Funge |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 21:05 - Feb 21 by Weekender |
Is it Ashton though? Hasn’t it clearly been said before the recruitment team finds players and they get signed off by mckenna and the coaches. |
£40m, Weekender.
That's not getting signed off by Martin Pert.
Fck it, it's late and I'm drunk and cross. Love you, love TWTD x | | | |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 21:19 - Feb 21 with 1665 views | stonojnr |
squad rotation, we're into a sequence of games coming thick and fast, I wouldnt have picked him for this game, but if he starts against Watford, then what does it prove to you ? nothing probably | | | |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 21:22 - Feb 21 with 1651 views | Illinoisblue |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 20:14 - Feb 21 by mrshallisfit |
He needs to grow up/man up quickly. Walking around looking misreable doesnt help anyone. He is old enough and big enough now. Does he want the life of a professional well paid footballer. If so, he has to earn it. Or perhaps he isnt the real deal as we thought he would be. |
Overly harsh and not really the point of the post. The point being: what is his position? What have we signed? | |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 21:23 - Feb 21 with 1624 views | Illinoisblue |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 21:19 - Feb 21 by stonojnr |
squad rotation, we're into a sequence of games coming thick and fast, I wouldnt have picked him for this game, but if he starts against Watford, then what does it prove to you ? nothing probably |
I don’t need anything to be proven, other than trying to figure out what position is his best. It’s a lot of money so it shouldn’t be a mystery. | |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 21:28 - Feb 21 with 1586 views | LeoMuff |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 20:14 - Feb 21 by mrshallisfit |
He needs to grow up/man up quickly. Walking around looking misreable doesnt help anyone. He is old enough and big enough now. Does he want the life of a professional well paid footballer. If so, he has to earn it. Or perhaps he isnt the real deal as we thought he would be. |
Has he been doing that ? I’ve yet to see evidence. First season in the championship 19yo, its a huge step and going to be challenging.
He will be back next season and stronger and better, of we still in the championship and considering the above he hasn’t done too badly but obviously the price tag does him no favours. | |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 21:43 - Feb 21 with 1507 views | FelixBlue4 |
The bigger part of what I’m not sure is the squad rotation part. If it produced something then fine but we still end up with Nunez and Philogene out for a few games so it doesn’t prevent injury. Also paying disrespect to cup games to save players for the league to then go and put in that display proved nothing. If we wanted to focus on the league great play a different team for cup games and let them keep going till they go out and if the odd player shows something give them a chance in positions that are not working. By the mid point of the season a manager should know his best 11 and start them every game and adjust tactics during the 90 minutes. | | | |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 21:45 - Feb 21 with 1497 views | benrhyddingblue |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 20:14 - Feb 21 by mrshallisfit |
He needs to grow up/man up quickly. Walking around looking misreable doesnt help anyone. He is old enough and big enough now. Does he want the life of a professional well paid footballer. If so, he has to earn it. Or perhaps he isnt the real deal as we thought he would be. |
I’m as pissed off as anyone about today but we don’t need this kind of cr@p. As someone who has a teenage son potentially in the running to be a professional sportsman (not football) you really have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about and what teenagers go through in the professional sporting world. It’s mentally beyond anything I’ve experienced in 40 years of work. “Grow up/man up”; as pathetic a comment I’ve seen here over the years. He’s 19 years old with a huge price tag on him that we paid! That’s our error not his. | | | |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 23:15 - Feb 21 with 1260 views | Churchman |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 19:53 - Feb 21 by blueoutlook |
He is a kid in a new country. His time will come,but not this season. I don’t really think a club our size can have £18 million pound projects we aren’t Chelsea or Man City. That money could have been used on a quality number 9. |
Which quality number 9? He wasn’t bought at the expense of anybody.
Leave him alone. Perhaps if he was given support rather than abuse, he might have the confidence to develop a little quicker. Sadly, he won’t get it with our …..’support’ if you can call it that. But having seen him live I believe he has all the attributes to be a top player.
I believe other clubs thought so too which is why the fee was what it was. Maybe when the selling club said ‘we want £1m for him’ we said ‘nah, we’ll pay you £18m!’, but I seriously doubt it.
But if you actually go to games, don’t let me stop you giving him dogs abuse. You won’t be alone. [Post edited 21 Feb 23:38]
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 23:28 - Feb 21 with 1190 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 20:14 - Feb 21 by mrshallisfit |
He needs to grow up/man up quickly. Walking around looking misreable doesnt help anyone. He is old enough and big enough now. Does he want the life of a professional well paid footballer. If so, he has to earn it. Or perhaps he isnt the real deal as we thought he would be. |
That's a shocker of a post. The lad is 19 and just moved to a foreign country.
What I can't quite grasp is we've lacked a "10" for most of the season , his preferred position, but he gets played on the right wing. |  | | |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 07:20 - Feb 22 with 894 views | RobTheMonk |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 19:53 - Feb 21 by blueoutlook |
He is a kid in a new country. His time will come,but not this season. I don’t really think a club our size can have £18 million pound projects we aren’t Chelsea or Man City. That money could have been used on a quality number 9. |
Fair comment. It's put huge pressure on Egeli from the start with the price paid. Unfortunately it looks like his performances have regressed since his promising start.
The recruit of promising youngsters makes sense, but it's a fine balance of quality Vs price paid. |  | | |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 07:26 - Feb 22 with 876 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
someone, or a collective of people, at ITFC need to have a serious look at themselves in the summer (promotion or not) because a number of signings have been woeful.
not every signing works out, we all know that, but at a club where it absolutely evident we needed a striker, we have seen ourselves spend £17m and £10m on two RM's - then bid for another (approx £15-18m in Jan!)
for us, a team that had one goal, promotion, to spent £17m on a kid/project/work in progress has been a huge mistake. you dont spend that sort of money as a championship club and not expect an instant return.
sure, new country and all that, but its not his fault. it was a terrible choice from the club.
nobody can sit here and say they wouldn't have rather we invested that money/part of that money in the striker position. | | | |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 07:37 - Feb 22 with 839 views | Blue_Heath |
I'd say the elephant is McKenna seems to have lost his ability to manage. After an OK first end to season (we still could have made play offs), very good second season (should have been top), amazing third season (fair play to KM) the last season and half have been utter dross for long periods. Slow, boring pass back and sideways football reliant on Philogene worldies or that we face a team in bad form with no tactics to change things. Yesterday at 3-2 was a prime example.
The money we've spent and the wages we are paying will put us in a very difficult position if we don't go up this season or next and we have very few saleable assets that will generate good profits and many that we'd doubtless need to pay off to get rid e.g. Johnson.
Going up is so much more than just about being a PL team.
But to answer your original question Egeli needs time, he may get it next season if we are still in this league if we go up he'll doubtless be loaned and sold for a pittance the following summer. He seems to do the business for his national side why can't we utilise him how they do? [Post edited 22 Feb 7:43]
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 07:39 - Feb 22 with 834 views | hype313 |
£20m is a huge gamble on a player like that, especially us as a club.
Seemed like a vanity singing, I feel for him because it's not his fault the fee was so high, but with that fee comes with huge expectations rightly or wrongly, and so far from what we've seen, he hasn't really shown much.
But it is a tough league for a kid from another country to come into, if you read that it was a coup to get him given the interest, then he's obviously a talent, but it will take time for him to bed in.
But I agree with others, at this stage we should've been spending that money elsewhere to give us the best possible chance to win this league at a canter.
The recruitment has been a bit of a head scratcher, 4 RB's and 3 big money signings on the RW to then revert back to a £75k buy from Fleetwood, that's not belittling Burns, he's the right man for that role, but to spend £40m on Ogbene, McAteer and SWE and still end up with Burns tells me something's gone wrong. |  |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 07:49 - Feb 22 with 799 views | Blue_Heath |
| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 07:39 - Feb 22 by hype313 |
£20m is a huge gamble on a player like that, especially us as a club.
Seemed like a vanity singing, I feel for him because it's not his fault the fee was so high, but with that fee comes with huge expectations rightly or wrongly, and so far from what we've seen, he hasn't really shown much.
But it is a tough league for a kid from another country to come into, if you read that it was a coup to get him given the interest, then he's obviously a talent, but it will take time for him to bed in.
But I agree with others, at this stage we should've been spending that money elsewhere to give us the best possible chance to win this league at a canter.
The recruitment has been a bit of a head scratcher, 4 RB's and 3 big money signings on the RW to then revert back to a £75k buy from Fleetwood, that's not belittling Burns, he's the right man for that role, but to spend £40m on Ogbene, McAteer and SWE and still end up with Burns tells me something's gone wrong. |
Spot on, recruitment has been dreadful for the most part. We have some very big losses incoming on many of these players which will kill us financially which is why we need to go up even if it means coming straight back down again. Other than Philogene I don't see profit anywhere.
Not sure where the blame lies but we took the heart and soul out of our side and spent £150m to have a worse team that is slow, disjointed and doesn't connect well with the fans.
I really fear for where we will be at in two years time if we haven't got promotion. | |
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| Egeli the elephant (in the room). on 08:23 - Feb 22 with 670 views | GlasgowBlue |
He’ll start on Tuesday. |  |
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