| Who would your captain be? 19:14 - Feb 22 with 1752 views | Chris_ITFC |
None of us actually have the required insight to really say, but I’m curious. Plenty seem to dismiss O’Shea (despite having only matchday visuals to base it on), so who would you see as a better choice?
I’m curious about the criteria too. For example, would you prioritise Jack Taylor’s grit and determination, even if he doesn’t start every week. Or maybe you value Leif’s consistency of selection and performance, albeit he isn’t a naturally ‘typical’ leader (I think he’d admit).
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| Who would your captain be? on 19:15 - Feb 22 with 1428 views | Kieran_Knows |
O’Shea still for me. Failing that, the only one that sticks out now is Dan Neil. |  |
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| Who would your captain be? on 19:17 - Feb 22 with 1412 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
It is a pretty futile discussion tbh.
Changing the captain would do absolutely nothing. |  |
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| Who would your captain be? on 19:23 - Feb 22 with 1359 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Who would your captain be? on 19:17 - Feb 22 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
It is a pretty futile discussion tbh.
Changing the captain would do absolutely nothing. |
I agree, but I don’t think all will.
It’s a topic (DO’S) that comes up quite regularly when we lose, in a way it never really did with Morsy when we were struggling last season. | |
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| Who would your captain be? on 19:39 - Feb 22 with 1313 views | BlacknGoldnBlue |
It was interesting that Leif said that Matusiwa and he were the first two to speak yesterday in the changing rooms! Personally I wouldn't have an issue with either of these. I think being Captain has distracted from O'Shea's game - he hasn't look the player he did last year!
But thats just my opinion! |  |
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| Who would your captain be? on 19:45 - Feb 22 with 1295 views | LeoMuff |
Matusiwa ? Can’t see to many other options |  |
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| Who would your captain be? on 19:54 - Feb 22 with 1254 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Who would your captain be? on 19:39 - Feb 22 by BlacknGoldnBlue |
It was interesting that Leif said that Matusiwa and he were the first two to speak yesterday in the changing rooms! Personally I wouldn't have an issue with either of these. I think being Captain has distracted from O'Shea's game - he hasn't look the player he did last year!
But thats just my opinion! |
Opinions absolutely allowed.
This is a question, not a challenge - why do you (and others) think the captaincy has a negative impact on O’Shea’s performances? What do you base that off?
Does it also have a positive impact when he’s playing well? | |
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| Who would your captain be? on 19:56 - Feb 22 with 1250 views | Bigalhunter |
| Who would your captain be? on 19:39 - Feb 22 by BlacknGoldnBlue |
It was interesting that Leif said that Matusiwa and he were the first two to speak yesterday in the changing rooms! Personally I wouldn't have an issue with either of these. I think being Captain has distracted from O'Shea's game - he hasn't look the player he did last year!
But thats just my opinion! |
In fairness, he spent a fair bit of last season looking distracted as well.
Problem is, we are lacking in candidates as no one is performing consistently enough in their own roles to have the authority to issue the necessary rollickings and organise the other areas of failure.
At a push, Matusiwa I guess. |  |
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| Who would your captain be? on 19:59 - Feb 22 with 1247 views | TresBonne |
In my opinion, there's been a massive storm in a teacup reaction to Leif's comments about Azor and himself having a go in the dressing room.
Far too many people commenting on it as if they were actually there and saw 100% of what happened post match. |  | | |
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| Who would your captain be? on 20:04 - Feb 22 with 1214 views | TheBlueGnu |
Nigel Planer |  |
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| I think I could do a job tbf on 20:10 - Feb 22 with 1197 views | Dyland |
Unfortunately I'm a middle aged bloke with a pot belly and sparrow legs. And was crap at football even in my prime. But I've always been a "leader of men" (and women). Well, I was a Sixer in the Cubs.
Hate to say I don't rate O'Shea. Seems like a good egg. Can play a bit. But I don't see much leadership. There's some, don't get me wrong. |  |
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| Who would your captain be? on 20:10 - Feb 22 with 1194 views | pointofblue |
| Who would your captain be? on 19:54 - Feb 22 by Chris_ITFC |
Opinions absolutely allowed.
This is a question, not a challenge - why do you (and others) think the captaincy has a negative impact on O’Shea’s performances? What do you base that off?
Does it also have a positive impact when he’s playing well? |
I'm not sure if the captaincy affects his performance but I do not think he's a natural leader. For me, the issue is no one in the squad really is. When heads go down, who picks them up? Who stops an on-pitch collapse when things start going wrong? 81 matches (IIRC) and counting without turning around a deficit is not a record to be proud of. | |
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| Who would your captain be? on 20:25 - Feb 22 with 1169 views | blueislander |
| Who would your captain be? on 20:10 - Feb 22 by pointofblue |
I'm not sure if the captaincy affects his performance but I do not think he's a natural leader. For me, the issue is no one in the squad really is. When heads go down, who picks them up? Who stops an on-pitch collapse when things start going wrong? 81 matches (IIRC) and counting without turning around a deficit is not a record to be proud of. |
Those 81 matches would comprise a large number of games in which Morsy was captain. What does that tell us? | | | |
| Who would your captain be? on 20:27 - Feb 22 with 1164 views | Scuzzer |
| Who would your captain be? on 19:15 - Feb 22 by Kieran_Knows |
O’Shea still for me. Failing that, the only one that sticks out now is Dan Neil. |
Not as a loanee....maybe next season of we elect to sign him. |  |
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| Who would your captain be? on 20:29 - Feb 22 with 1154 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Who would your captain be? on 20:25 - Feb 22 by blueislander |
Those 81 matches would comprise a large number of games in which Morsy was captain. What does that tell us? |
This is sort of what I mean too. People seem to attribute quite a lot to the captaincy, without much more than what they can see from the stands (i.e. no real insight on what is said, or what is done behind the scenes, or how his teammates view him) - for better or worse.
There are all sorts of things that influence our lack of comebacks - tactics, mentally, opposition, opportunity, substitutions, crowd, etc. | |
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| Who would your captain be? on 20:30 - Feb 22 with 1147 views | Pilgrimblue |
| Who would your captain be? on 20:10 - Feb 22 by pointofblue |
I'm not sure if the captaincy affects his performance but I do not think he's a natural leader. For me, the issue is no one in the squad really is. When heads go down, who picks them up? Who stops an on-pitch collapse when things start going wrong? 81 matches (IIRC) and counting without turning around a deficit is not a record to be proud of. |
That’s a difficult one. After so many great ones over the years I’m bound to say that none of the current players are up to it. This has become very apparent when a strong leader is needed to add that extra dimension.
It should be someone who’ll play every week, has the respect of the team and really cares about Town. That’s Davis for me, just a shame we couldn’t land our last one even if it meant that he’d be on the bench at times but he’d be in the dressing room! |  | | |
| Who would your captain be? on 20:50 - Feb 22 with 1070 views | mrshallisfit |
| Who would your captain be? on 19:15 - Feb 22 by Kieran_Knows |
O’Shea still for me. Failing that, the only one that sticks out now is Dan Neil. |
Bloody hell. That is damning. Either a centre-back who is not good enough. Or someone on loan who may well not be here at the end of the season. Matisuwa? | | | |
| Who would your captain be? on 20:53 - Feb 22 with 1042 views | Metal_Hacker |
Truth be told IMHO , we’ve some half decent players but we’ve no leaders
Leif might be one of the “seniors “ but I don’t think he’s a leader.
Taylor isn’t a leader and isn’t a nailed on starter , he has grit and determination but he’s not a leader
Matusiwa is by far the best at leading in terms of guile and muscle but he’s not an organiser or a leader
I’m honestly struggling to suggest anyone , including Dara. I don’t really miss Morsy the player but I truly miss Morsy the Leader |  |
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| Who would your captain be? on 20:54 - Feb 22 with 1027 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Who would your captain be? on 20:50 - Feb 22 by mrshallisfit |
Bloody hell. That is damning. Either a centre-back who is not good enough. Or someone on loan who may well not be here at the end of the season. Matisuwa? |
Just my opinion, of course. I think O’Shea is more than good enough, and is the best bet for captain at the moment.
Matusiwa doesn’t strike me as a captain and with the way he’s playing he doesn’t need it either.
Dan Neil has captained his boyhood club to promotion, so has what it takes. Failing all those, probably Greaves, who, IIRC captained Hull before we signed him. Of course, he’d need to get in the side first. | |
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| Who would your captain be? on 20:56 - Feb 22 with 1011 views | pointofblue |
| Who would your captain be? on 20:25 - Feb 22 by blueislander |
Those 81 matches would comprise a large number of games in which Morsy was captain. What does that tell us? |
In the Premier League. A bit different to punching above our weight in the Championship. | |
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| Who would your captain be? on 20:58 - Feb 22 with 1005 views | itfcsuth |
I think Dara is more than capable, seems a good character on and off the field, had a really difficult day yesterday, there isn’t anyone really that hasn’t had bad days this year.
Overall, in the Championship, he’s a strong defender, and a good captain. |  | | |
| Who would your captain be? on 21:16 - Feb 22 with 944 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Who would your captain be? on 20:53 - Feb 22 by Metal_Hacker |
Truth be told IMHO , we’ve some half decent players but we’ve no leaders
Leif might be one of the “seniors “ but I don’t think he’s a leader.
Taylor isn’t a leader and isn’t a nailed on starter , he has grit and determination but he’s not a leader
Matusiwa is by far the best at leading in terms of guile and muscle but he’s not an organiser or a leader
I’m honestly struggling to suggest anyone , including Dara. I don’t really miss Morsy the player but I truly miss Morsy the Leader |
Yeah I mentioned Taylor, but I agree actually. Too prone to a selfish yellow to make himself feel good.
I think Leif would ultimately be a bit burdened by it too, as much as his heart is in the right place.
Having said that, it does feel a little like Dara is sacrificing himself to take that burden, rather than bringing something to it / relishing it… but that’s just me projecting assumptions in the way I’ve criticised others for doing.  | |
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| Who would your captain be? on 21:44 - Feb 22 with 867 views | Garv |
Dara O'Shea.
The reasons that dismiss him is because the season hasn't gone as we'd hoped, and the fact his name isn't Sam Morsy.
He had an iffy start to the season, but frankly so did everyone. Since then, until Saturday, he's been one of our best players. The pile on is ridiculous. [Post edited 23 Feb 11:02]
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| Who would your captain be? on 21:51 - Feb 22 with 833 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Who would your captain be? on 21:44 - Feb 22 by Garv |
Dara O'Shea.
The reasons that dismiss him is because the season hasn't gone as we'd hoped, and the fact his name isn't Sam Morsy.
He had an iffy start to the season, but frankly so did everyone. Since then, until Saturday, he's been one of our best players. The pile on is ridiculous. [Post edited 23 Feb 11:02]
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Yeah, much like a lot of gripes, they would go away if we were winning… not that that’s always a reason to dismiss them.
I wonder if the armband was part of how we convinced him to stay?
Or if we’d have pushed harder to keep Morsy if McKenna wasn’t sure about O’Shea as captain? | |
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| Who would your captain be? on 21:57 - Feb 22 with 817 views | Blue_Heath |
I'd give it to Wes, one of the longest serving players or Leif. | |
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| Who would your captain be? on 21:58 - Feb 22 with 809 views | Swansea_Blue |
Nunez. At least the pep talks would be short! |  |
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