| Mick Mills on the pen... 19:27 - Mar 7 with 4728 views | Zx1988 |
Speaking on Suffolk, he seemed to be of the opinion that it might not have been a pen if Kipré wasn't going to get the ball anyway.
I'm willing to be corrected by any of the referees on here, but surely there are other pundits out there with a better grasp of the rules of the game? [Post edited 7 Mar 19:36]
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| Mick Mills on the pen... on 19:34 - Mar 7 with 4043 views | SouthWestBlue |
The bloke is an absolute legend of the club but everytime I listen to one of his post match summaries I am convinced he didn’t actually watch the game. |  | | |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 21:28 - Mar 7 with 3561 views | DJR |
From my vantage point it looked like Kipre was a good five yards away when hauled down.
I also heard what Mick Mills said and what he says accorded with my view, namely, that maybe the referee was influenced in his decision by the fact that Kipre couldn't get to the ball, coupled with the fact that his view of the incident wasn't as good as that from behind the goal.
Indeed, it is not uncommon for players who can't get to a ball in the penalty area to dive, and I did wonder if he booked Kipre for a dive.
But it seems that the referee claimed he didn't see the incident, and may have booked Kipre for dissent, so the plot thickens. [Post edited 7 Mar 21:33]
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| Mick Mills on the pen... on 21:30 - Mar 7 with 3533 views | DJR |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 19:34 - Mar 7 by SouthWestBlue |
The bloke is an absolute legend of the club but everytime I listen to one of his post match summaries I am convinced he didn’t actually watch the game. |
In my view Mick Mills speaks far more sense than the vast majority of people on TWTD, and I always like to listen to what he says after the game. | | | |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 22:23 - Mar 7 with 3318 views | farkenhell |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 21:28 - Mar 7 by DJR |
From my vantage point it looked like Kipre was a good five yards away when hauled down.
I also heard what Mick Mills said and what he says accorded with my view, namely, that maybe the referee was influenced in his decision by the fact that Kipre couldn't get to the ball, coupled with the fact that his view of the incident wasn't as good as that from behind the goal.
Indeed, it is not uncommon for players who can't get to a ball in the penalty area to dive, and I did wonder if he booked Kipre for a dive.
But it seems that the referee claimed he didn't see the incident, and may have booked Kipre for dissent, so the plot thickens. [Post edited 7 Mar 21:33]
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It's irrelevant whether or not Kipre could get to the ball. He was bundled over. It was a clear foul. If the referee or his assistant saw it of course. | | | |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 22:51 - Mar 7 with 3159 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 22:23 - Mar 7 by farkenhell |
It's irrelevant whether or not Kipre could get to the ball. He was bundled over. It was a clear foul. If the referee or his assistant saw it of course. |
Kipre could have definitely got on the end of the cross. It’s a stonewall penalty. The ref bottled it big time. He saw it. |  |
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| Always been a fan of Mills on BBC Suffolk… but this season especially on 22:52 - Mar 7 with 3146 views | unstableblue |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 19:34 - Mar 7 by SouthWestBlue |
The bloke is an absolute legend of the club but everytime I listen to one of his post match summaries I am convinced he didn’t actually watch the game. |
I have to say I’ve listened to some of his views of the games and felt they were really wide of the mark |  |
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| Mick Mills on the pen... on 22:55 - Mar 7 with 3130 views | SitfcB |
After what we were talking about earlier I couldn’t help but laugh that when I got in the car at about 17:03 and they were talking about non-league things on the radio haha. |  |
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| Mick Mills on the pen... on 23:05 - Mar 7 with 3063 views | Illinoisblue |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 21:28 - Mar 7 by DJR |
From my vantage point it looked like Kipre was a good five yards away when hauled down.
I also heard what Mick Mills said and what he says accorded with my view, namely, that maybe the referee was influenced in his decision by the fact that Kipre couldn't get to the ball, coupled with the fact that his view of the incident wasn't as good as that from behind the goal.
Indeed, it is not uncommon for players who can't get to a ball in the penalty area to dive, and I did wonder if he booked Kipre for a dive.
But it seems that the referee claimed he didn't see the incident, and may have booked Kipre for dissent, so the plot thickens. [Post edited 7 Mar 21:33]
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Didn’t see it. Yes, he did:
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| Mick Mills on the pen... on 23:31 - Mar 7 with 2947 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 23:05 - Mar 7 by Illinoisblue |
Didn’t see it. Yes, he did:
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The only thing I can think is that the ref means that he didn't see it as a foul rather than he didn't see the incident. It is a very bad error and one that shouldn't be happening at this level. But then the Conor Chaplin one (also against Leicester) was ignored by the match official at Premier League level AND by VAR. Aside from Dermot Gallagher, I am not aware of anyone of any standing who thought it was anything other than a stonewall penalty. |  |
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| Mick Mills on the pen... on 00:47 - Mar 8 with 2806 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 19:34 - Mar 7 by SouthWestBlue |
The bloke is an absolute legend of the club but everytime I listen to one of his post match summaries I am convinced he didn’t actually watch the game. |
I find it embarrassing. He just rambles without focus |  | | |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 00:49 - Mar 8 with 2804 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 21:30 - Mar 7 by DJR |
In my view Mick Mills speaks far more sense than the vast majority of people on TWTD, and I always like to listen to what he says after the game. |
I have no idea how you come to that conclusion apart from misplaced loyalty | | | |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 02:13 - Mar 8 with 2737 views | bluelagos |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 21:30 - Mar 7 by DJR |
In my view Mick Mills speaks far more sense than the vast majority of people on TWTD, and I always like to listen to what he says after the game. |
On a match day at least, that's a pretty low bar tbf |  |
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| Mick Mills on the pen... on 02:45 - Mar 8 with 2703 views | football |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 23:31 - Mar 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The only thing I can think is that the ref means that he didn't see it as a foul rather than he didn't see the incident. It is a very bad error and one that shouldn't be happening at this level. But then the Conor Chaplin one (also against Leicester) was ignored by the match official at Premier League level AND by VAR. Aside from Dermot Gallagher, I am not aware of anyone of any standing who thought it was anything other than a stonewall penalty. |
the Chaplin one was a coming together….i recall watching Dermot Gallagher squirm when they assessed our, trying desperately to defend the decision | | | |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 08:44 - Mar 8 with 2333 views | Blue_Heath |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 19:34 - Mar 7 by SouthWestBlue |
The bloke is an absolute legend of the club but everytime I listen to one of his post match summaries I am convinced he didn’t actually watch the game. |
He is an absolute legend, Town and England captain.
However, the game has changed but, you know, he makes many good points and says it how it is. Like Mathie he doesn't sit on the fence, I like that. | |
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| Mick Mills on the pen... on 09:30 - Mar 8 with 2176 views | MattinLondon |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 02:45 - Mar 8 by football |
the Chaplin one was a coming together….i recall watching Dermot Gallagher squirm when they assessed our, trying desperately to defend the decision |
The Chaplin one was only a coming together because the Leicester defender deliberately ran into him. |  | | |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 10:05 - Mar 8 with 2077 views | Meadowlark |
He was giving free kicks all over the park when players "went down," notably for their free kick, so how come on four occasions when our players were taken out in the box we got nothing? |  | | |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 10:08 - Mar 8 with 2063 views | tcblue |
If those are indeed the rules then maybe we should just give Walton a pistol, and tell him to shoot any attackers in our box (provided they're not very close to the ball) | | | |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 15:32 - Mar 8 with 1784 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 02:45 - Mar 8 by football |
the Chaplin one was a coming together….i recall watching Dermot Gallagher squirm when they assessed our, trying desperately to defend the decision |
Sue Smith and Steven Warnock were astounded that he said it at all. As you say, he visibly squirmed with his attempt to justify it. But the on-field ref and VAR had all taken that view of it too. That day I lost any confidence that VAR could be trusted to improve decision-making. There have been plenty of other less clear-cut examples since then to show it does not improve the game or outcomes of big decisions at all. | |
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| Mick Mills on the pen... on 17:51 - Mar 8 with 1618 views | braveblue |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 21:28 - Mar 7 by DJR |
From my vantage point it looked like Kipre was a good five yards away when hauled down.
I also heard what Mick Mills said and what he says accorded with my view, namely, that maybe the referee was influenced in his decision by the fact that Kipre couldn't get to the ball, coupled with the fact that his view of the incident wasn't as good as that from behind the goal.
Indeed, it is not uncommon for players who can't get to a ball in the penalty area to dive, and I did wonder if he booked Kipre for a dive.
But it seems that the referee claimed he didn't see the incident, and may have booked Kipre for dissent, so the plot thickens. [Post edited 7 Mar 21:33]
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If you get fouled it’s a penalty. Ball has nothing to do with it. Ref didn’t give it because he is incompetent. | | | |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 18:15 - Mar 8 with 1560 views | Radlett_blue |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 15:32 - Mar 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Sue Smith and Steven Warnock were astounded that he said it at all. As you say, he visibly squirmed with his attempt to justify it. But the on-field ref and VAR had all taken that view of it too. That day I lost any confidence that VAR could be trusted to improve decision-making. There have been plenty of other less clear-cut examples since then to show it does not improve the game or outcomes of big decisions at all. |
Indeed, VAR has simply added another layer of random subjectivity to decisions & if often takes a ridiculous amount of time. |  |
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| Mick Mills on the pen... on 18:36 - Mar 8 with 1489 views | DJR |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 17:51 - Mar 8 by braveblue |
If you get fouled it’s a penalty. Ball has nothing to do with it. Ref didn’t give it because he is incompetent. |
If you look at the photo above Kipre has his leg in the air. There is no need for that given the way he fell apart from the fact that he was trying to overegg the pudding. I think the best view of the incident was from behind the goal. From the referee's point of view the position was much less clear and he might have concluded it was the sort of grappling that goes on at corners the culprit for which is often difficult to determine. And the fact that Kipre was some way from getting to the ball may have reinforced this view.
At the end of the day there is, in my view, too much cheating that goes on in football and, whilst this might be an unpopular view, it makes the job of a referee doubly difficult.
But the only way to overcome this is VAR, and McKenna made clear he doesn't favour it. Nor do I or many fans because VAR cuts both ways.
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| Mick Mills on the pen... on 06:23 - Mar 9 with 1135 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 22:23 - Mar 7 by farkenhell |
It's irrelevant whether or not Kipre could get to the ball. He was bundled over. It was a clear foul. If the referee or his assistant saw it of course. |
But was he bundled over, or were they both grappling, Kipre realises it is out of reach, sailing over their heads and has nothing to lose by trying to win a penalty?
That's pretty much how I see it. Of course we want the pen, but we would be miffed to be on the end of a decision like that. | | | |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 07:09 - Mar 9 with 1048 views | Churchman |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 21:30 - Mar 7 by DJR |
In my view Mick Mills speaks far more sense than the vast majority of people on TWTD, and I always like to listen to what he says after the game. |
On balance I agree with you. I find what he has to say mostly interesting. The downside is his habit of labouring a point at times and his monotone speaking voice. He can be a bit over negative if he’s in a bad mood too - can’t we all.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve heard myself on radio/tv and other recorded stuff and hear8 g my own voice was excruciating so I’m a fine one to talk.
As an aside, if they ever slap up another couple of statues, for me one of him wouldn’t be too far wrong given what he did for this club. Maybe George Burley for the other. |  | | |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 07:22 - Mar 9 with 1012 views | farkenhell |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 06:23 - Mar 9 by Blue_In_Boston |
But was he bundled over, or were they both grappling, Kipre realises it is out of reach, sailing over their heads and has nothing to lose by trying to win a penalty?
That's pretty much how I see it. Of course we want the pen, but we would be miffed to be on the end of a decision like that. |
He got in front of the defender and was then bundled over from behind. It was a clear foul on him imo. | | | |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 09:12 - Mar 9 with 863 views | longtimefan |
| Mick Mills on the pen... on 06:23 - Mar 9 by Blue_In_Boston |
But was he bundled over, or were they both grappling, Kipre realises it is out of reach, sailing over their heads and has nothing to lose by trying to win a penalty?
That's pretty much how I see it. Of course we want the pen, but we would be miffed to be on the end of a decision like that. |
Well there was definitely more contact than Furlong made for the penalty given at Watford. | | | |
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