| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up 12:11 - Mar 25 with 9384 views | urbanpenguin |
Apologies if this has been posted, I couldn't see it, but this is a very good piece by one of our own in the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/fo
Especially interesting and important:
"Farage’s visit was openly discussed among the first-team players when they convened for training at their Playford Road base, several querying how he had been allowed to project himself from areas that are sacrosanct to them on a matchday. A diverse, particularly engaged squad was left unimpressed. It is the last thing Kieran McKenna needs, or deserves, as Ipswich prepare for an eight-game sprint towards promotion next month. Errors of this gravity touch every area of a club.
One wonders what the Albania international Anis Mehmeti, among a clutch of players away with their countries this week, made of Farage hanging a shirt on his peg at Portman Road. Farage has courted controversy in the past with comments about Albanians, making contested claims about the proportion currently in British prisons and taking aim at their contribution to an “invasion” by cross-channel migrants.
There was also distaste in seeing Farage parade around Ipswich’s home on the week that their women’s team, currently fighting to stay in the second tier, face Southampton in what has become an annual outing at Portman Road. That game, to be staged on Saturday, should draw a five-figure crowd but Farage’s past comments suggest he would hardly be endorsing it."
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:13 - Mar 25 with 4541 views | _CliveBaker_ |
No surprise there. I don't imagine many 20-somethings of all different backgrounds support the shit that comes out of Farage's mouth, and our playing squad will be no different. |  | | |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:19 - Mar 25 with 4404 views | FrimleyBlue |
And some think it's just something that should just be forgotten, not commented on and not an issue
It absolutely could fk our promotion hopes up.
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:20 - Mar 25 with 4394 views | Steve_M |
Yes, a bit harder for the club to ignore that. |  |
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:23 - Mar 25 with 4340 views | jayessess |
Imagine it might be something that you could shrug off if you'd migrated to England as an adult footballer. As an adult migrant in a secure economic position you can isolate yourself somewhat from the politics of the place you live and work in.
But Anis Mehmeti and Jaden Philogene were both born here, part of diaspora communities. Got to be worse for the players we've got whose parents migrated to Europe as ordinary folk fleeing war, political or economic insecurity. |  |
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:24 - Mar 25 with 4295 views | N2_Blue |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:13 - Mar 25 by _CliveBaker_ |
No surprise there. I don't imagine many 20-somethings of all different backgrounds support the shit that comes out of Farage's mouth, and our playing squad will be no different. |
Think of all the supportes that have wives, husbands, extended family & friends that under Farage's policies wouldn't be welcome or even allowed in this country. And then some fans have the audacity to say some us are making a big deal of this. It is a big deal.
My wife was not born in the UK. She is wondering why the hell the club I commit so much time, energy and money to is welcoming an individual and organisation that despise people of her ilk. It puts me in an absolutely horrible situation and there will be thousands of fans in a similar situation in respect to friends and family.
This is why I have never felt so low and disgusted by the actions of my football club. It has welcomed a man / a political party that I absolutely loathe becuase if they had their way my life as it is wouldn't currently exist.
I've been a season ticket holder for as many years as I can remember but i geunuiely don't know if I'll return again this season unless the club can recognise what they have done and apologise and I can actually tell family this isn't what my club stand for, without it just being my words. The current club statement doesn't wash. [Post edited 25 Mar 12:28]
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:25 - Mar 25 with 4288 views | JakeITFC |
Club seemingly clinging to naive incompetence as their get out which I just don't think washes given the word from the Reform side (admittedly not the most trustworthy of sources) saying that they were invited in and the lack of washing their hands of it in the statement or previously.
The club, fans and it seems the players need Mark Ashton to step up and take responsibility for this. |  | | |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:28 - Mar 25 with 4209 views | Miaow |
I really wish we could go back in time by 48 hours. But we can't.
What a monumental cock-up.
The "answers" that we've had so far are not enough. |  |
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:29 - Mar 25 with 4180 views | Illinoisblue |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:25 - Mar 25 by JakeITFC |
Club seemingly clinging to naive incompetence as their get out which I just don't think washes given the word from the Reform side (admittedly not the most trustworthy of sources) saying that they were invited in and the lack of washing their hands of it in the statement or previously.
The club, fans and it seems the players need Mark Ashton to step up and take responsibility for this. |
It’s been a disasterclass of mismanaged comms. |  |
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:30 - Mar 25 with 4150 views | reuserfivethree |
Great article. |  | | |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:30 - Mar 25 with 4150 views | jayessess |
Also wonder how McKenna feels about the "rip up the Good Friday Agreement" guy being given the red carpet treatment https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art | |
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:31 - Mar 25 with 4105 views | pointofblue |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:19 - Mar 25 by FrimleyBlue |
And some think it's just something that should just be forgotten, not commented on and not an issue
It absolutely could fk our promotion hopes up.
utter shambles |
I agree this shouldn't be forgotten but it's getting to the point where one Farage thread may be sufficient rather than a new one for every thought or update. | |
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:33 - Mar 25 with 4073 views | vapour_trail |
They’ll be part of the bubble of 40 twtders who have made all the noise on this. |  |
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:37 - Mar 25 with 3976 views | waveneyblue |
Would this be a really bad time to point out the political way which both Nick and the Guardian lean.
Or is it fair to add context to his article ?
I cant find the rule book and I was just wondering about the etiquette.
(And the usual disclaimer, I really like Nick and his political preference makes not one jot of difference to me when he writes about town).
(Further disclaimer, Im not a farage supporter, reform member or a neo fascist apologiser or whatever Libero accused me of last night) |  | | |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:38 - Mar 25 with 3925 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:19 - Mar 25 by FrimleyBlue |
And some think it's just something that should just be forgotten, not commented on and not an issue
It absolutely could fk our promotion hopes up.
utter shambles |
Or if the players and McKenna are in agreement that Farage is a cunit, then maybe it has no effect at all - or even galvanises them! |  |
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:38 - Mar 25 with 3939 views | vapour_trail |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:37 - Mar 25 by waveneyblue |
Would this be a really bad time to point out the political way which both Nick and the Guardian lean.
Or is it fair to add context to his article ?
I cant find the rule book and I was just wondering about the etiquette.
(And the usual disclaimer, I really like Nick and his political preference makes not one jot of difference to me when he writes about town).
(Further disclaimer, Im not a farage supporter, reform member or a neo fascist apologiser or whatever Libero accused me of last night) |
No it’s not a bad time. And you can point out whatever you want as many times as you want. Which you have done prolifically 👍 | |
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:40 - Mar 25 with 3903 views | CrockerITFC |
Excellent piece and points out exactly how I feel |  | | |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:40 - Mar 25 with 3869 views | waveneyblue |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:38 - Mar 25 by vapour_trail |
No it’s not a bad time. And you can point out whatever you want as many times as you want. Which you have done prolifically 👍 |
Thank you sir, your permission means a great deal to me. | | | |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:41 - Mar 25 with 3851 views | urbanpenguin |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:31 - Mar 25 by pointofblue |
I agree this shouldn't be forgotten but it's getting to the point where one Farage thread may be sufficient rather than a new one for every thought or update. |
I felt that this was a fairly consequential update, given the reporting directly from the players. | | | |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:42 - Mar 25 with 3835 views | dryas |
That's an excellent, and probably well-sourced piece. Thh club statement looks rather lacking in comparison. [Post edited 25 Mar 12:44]
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:42 - Mar 25 with 3817 views | Ralphinho |
As I put elsewhere:
Senior members of the club hierarchy (complicit or not) needs to give their heads a wobble, put their ego's to bed and own this balls up. As Lagos said: Apologise. Properly.
I don't care who made the decision. I don't care if they do actually support Reform, that is their right. What I do care about is them tarring our club with their personal political preferences and letting their ego's run away with themselves.
Explain what has gone wrong. After the lies we have heard so far, nothing other than complete transparency is going to cut it. Show some accountability and remorse for what is undeniably a huge mistake and something that has divided our fans more than any other issue in the clubs history.
And then, after all of that, start trying to earn back the trust of the fans who have every right to feel betrayed, upset and tarred by this. Quite what that looks like, I don't know, but the stain that the Skidmark Farage has left on our club is not going to wash out quickly or easily.
On a side note - this would be a great opportunity for the players to really connect with the fans and show solidarity. I would have the utmost respect for any player that stood up for the fans after the way the club has treated us. Now is the time to stand up and be counted - do they really want to be painted as Reform FC players? Better to stand up, speak up and move on rather than staying quiet and allowing themselves to be tarred by this brush. |  |
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:43 - Mar 25 with 3772 views | urbanpenguin |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:37 - Mar 25 by waveneyblue |
Would this be a really bad time to point out the political way which both Nick and the Guardian lean.
Or is it fair to add context to his article ?
I cant find the rule book and I was just wondering about the etiquette.
(And the usual disclaimer, I really like Nick and his political preference makes not one jot of difference to me when he writes about town).
(Further disclaimer, Im not a farage supporter, reform member or a neo fascist apologiser or whatever Libero accused me of last night) |
I think it's fairly well known that the Guardian is slightly to the right of centre, though I don't know Nick's personal politics.
I also feel it's moot here, given the substance of the article is factual and reports on responses, not opinion. | | | |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:44 - Mar 25 with 3747 views | CrockerITFC |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:37 - Mar 25 by waveneyblue |
Would this be a really bad time to point out the political way which both Nick and the Guardian lean.
Or is it fair to add context to his article ?
I cant find the rule book and I was just wondering about the etiquette.
(And the usual disclaimer, I really like Nick and his political preference makes not one jot of difference to me when he writes about town).
(Further disclaimer, Im not a farage supporter, reform member or a neo fascist apologiser or whatever Libero accused me of last night) |
If you consider that the club's statement claims they are apolitical and there allegedly wasn't a political motive behind it then you probably shouldn't point out Nick or the Guardian's political leanings...unless you don't stand behind the club statement that is. | | | |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:46 - Mar 25 with 3672 views | Kievthegreat |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:30 - Mar 25 by jayessess |
Also wonder how McKenna feels about the "rip up the Good Friday Agreement" guy being given the red carpet treatment https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art |
I wonder how much he enjoys being a meme adorned with Nazi slogans:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Champ [Post edited 25 Mar 12:47]
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:48 - Mar 25 with 3636 views | NthQldITFC |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:42 - Mar 25 by Ralphinho |
As I put elsewhere:
Senior members of the club hierarchy (complicit or not) needs to give their heads a wobble, put their ego's to bed and own this balls up. As Lagos said: Apologise. Properly.
I don't care who made the decision. I don't care if they do actually support Reform, that is their right. What I do care about is them tarring our club with their personal political preferences and letting their ego's run away with themselves.
Explain what has gone wrong. After the lies we have heard so far, nothing other than complete transparency is going to cut it. Show some accountability and remorse for what is undeniably a huge mistake and something that has divided our fans more than any other issue in the clubs history.
And then, after all of that, start trying to earn back the trust of the fans who have every right to feel betrayed, upset and tarred by this. Quite what that looks like, I don't know, but the stain that the Skidmark Farage has left on our club is not going to wash out quickly or easily.
On a side note - this would be a great opportunity for the players to really connect with the fans and show solidarity. I would have the utmost respect for any player that stood up for the fans after the way the club has treated us. Now is the time to stand up and be counted - do they really want to be painted as Reform FC players? Better to stand up, speak up and move on rather than staying quiet and allowing themselves to be tarred by this brush. |
Best post so far on the subject, for me. |  |
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| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:48 - Mar 25 with 3618 views | waveneyblue |
| Excellent Nick Ames piece on on the eff up on 12:44 - Mar 25 by CrockerITFC |
If you consider that the club's statement claims they are apolitical and there allegedly wasn't a political motive behind it then you probably shouldn't point out Nick or the Guardian's political leanings...unless you don't stand behind the club statement that is. |
Im providing balance, nothing more.
Its something that is totally missing from 90% of this site at the moment.
I appreciate that I'm no doubt making myself (more) unpopular with some in doing so, but Im not being abusive or resorting to name calling (apart from one particularly unpleasant attack on me by the lovely BigAl).
Thats all. | | | |
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