| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:41 - Mar 25 with 1692 views | Zx1988 |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:28 - Mar 25 by ElderGrizzly |
Yet their statement was undermined almost immediately by Reform saying they had evidence of an invitation.
So, yes if they were trying to stop with their statement of last night when it was proven false within minutes that's not really an option.
Well it is, but we just assume complicity by default. |
That's the most damning part of it - the alleged evidence of an invitation, and Führage himself saying he was invited.
If these two points were not true, given how damaging they've been to the club since yesterday evening's 'statement', you'd expect a strongly-worded rebuttal, and a thinly-veiled threat of further action. |  |
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:45 - Mar 25 with 1642 views | lowhouseblue |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:38 - Mar 25 by Ewan_Oozami |
What is it do you think people wanted to hear? The statement doesn't mention anything about Farage's views, or what BA think about Reform - it's a perfect non-political statement from a community who are all-in on ITFC and are disappointed that the club hasn't been clearer about an issue that has generated nationwide comment. Not even something along the lines that the club is absolutely not happy with they way they seemed to have been used for political purposes... |
lots of people seem to want to hear their own views parroted back to them. if the club doesn't echo their views then it's bad. but that isn't possible in a world of political disagreement and when political views across supporters are diverse. the club has said that it doesn't take a political position and that farage attending a stadium tour isn't an endorsement. to go beyond that is to get into political statements. the 'club' shouldn't think anything about reform - it's a football club not a political campaign. |  |
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:50 - Mar 25 with 1631 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:45 - Mar 25 by lowhouseblue |
lots of people seem to want to hear their own views parroted back to them. if the club doesn't echo their views then it's bad. but that isn't possible in a world of political disagreement and when political views across supporters are diverse. the club has said that it doesn't take a political position and that farage attending a stadium tour isn't an endorsement. to go beyond that is to get into political statements. the 'club' shouldn't think anything about reform - it's a football club not a political campaign. |
So do you think BA's statement is political?
And if the club wants to see itself s non-political, it should certain say something about not being happy that the club's image is being used for political purposes.
And if you want people who want to hear their own views parroted back to them, I can think of no better exponent of that than Farage himself.... |  |
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:59 - Mar 25 with 1591 views | Churchman |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:41 - Mar 25 by Zx1988 |
That's the most damning part of it - the alleged evidence of an invitation, and Führage himself saying he was invited.
If these two points were not true, given how damaging they've been to the club since yesterday evening's 'statement', you'd expect a strongly-worded rebuttal, and a thinly-veiled threat of further action. |
The evidence is alleged. Let’s see it. Otherwise, don’t we run the risk of adopting guilty until proven innocent? The concept of we have evidence and not producing it and the accused then having to refute and deemed guilty if they don’t seems alien to me.
But I defer to those learned in English law who know far more about this sort of stuff than me.
I think the BA statement is excellent btw. Whoever wrote that should get a job on ITFCs Comms team. |  | | |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 15:02 - Mar 25 with 1573 views | Zx1988 |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:59 - Mar 25 by Churchman |
The evidence is alleged. Let’s see it. Otherwise, don’t we run the risk of adopting guilty until proven innocent? The concept of we have evidence and not producing it and the accused then having to refute and deemed guilty if they don’t seems alien to me.
But I defer to those learned in English law who know far more about this sort of stuff than me.
I think the BA statement is excellent btw. Whoever wrote that should get a job on ITFCs Comms team. |
No longer alleged, but stated as fact:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
"Speaking to reporters at a campaign event in Leeds, Farage said: "I received an invitation from Ipswich, who knew I was in the area doing a big event.""
Given the huge fallout caused by the apparent 'misspoken' statement from the club yesterday morning, you'd expect them to have been all over this if it was untrue. | |
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 15:19 - Mar 25 with 1507 views | Blueschev |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 15:02 - Mar 25 by Zx1988 |
No longer alleged, but stated as fact:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
"Speaking to reporters at a campaign event in Leeds, Farage said: "I received an invitation from Ipswich, who knew I was in the area doing a big event.""
Given the huge fallout caused by the apparent 'misspoken' statement from the club yesterday morning, you'd expect them to have been all over this if it was untrue. |
I'm inclined never to believe a word Farage says. |  | | |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 15:21 - Mar 25 with 1505 views | Kievthegreat |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:59 - Mar 25 by Churchman |
The evidence is alleged. Let’s see it. Otherwise, don’t we run the risk of adopting guilty until proven innocent? The concept of we have evidence and not producing it and the accused then having to refute and deemed guilty if they don’t seems alien to me.
But I defer to those learned in English law who know far more about this sort of stuff than me.
I think the BA statement is excellent btw. Whoever wrote that should get a job on ITFCs Comms team. |
You've come across with this logic in a few places and I don't think it's fair or reasonable. If we want to deal with just facts, Nigel Farage and his social media team attended Portman Road and shot a load of promotional content. That's it.
Everything else is alleged and disputed. Ipswich have claimed through initial reports to the press that he wasn't invited. Alleged, no evidence provided. They said he bought and paid for the shirt to be printed. Again, all alleged, no evidence. If we hold every piece of information to the same standard you've held the journalists, my allegations that he was greeted personally by Mark Ashton and given a cheeky tug in the directors box before being given a shirt is just as valid as the clubs official account or the Athletics. |  | | |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 15:41 - Mar 25 with 1463 views | stickymockwell |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:28 - Mar 25 by lowhouseblue |
He went on a stadium tour and he was filmed at all the points where other people on those tours are filmed. his pr people exploited the fact that the tour allows someone to do that.
if it had been polanski doing the same there would have been absolute delight on here. to pretend otherwise is silly. |
Have you been on a stadium tour. Try taking down the players shirts and putting ones up with yours and see what happens? Even better if you can promote something along side it. |  |
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 16:22 - Mar 25 with 1378 views | Blueschev |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 15:41 - Mar 25 by stickymockwell |
Have you been on a stadium tour. Try taking down the players shirts and putting ones up with yours and see what happens? Even better if you can promote something along side it. |
Everyone gets welcomed by the communications director of the club, though. That's standard. | | | |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 18:15 - Mar 25 with 1297 views | GeoffSentence |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:28 - Mar 25 by lowhouseblue |
He went on a stadium tour and he was filmed at all the points where other people on those tours are filmed. his pr people exploited the fact that the tour allows someone to do that.
if it had been polanski doing the same there would have been absolute delight on here. to pretend otherwise is silly. |
The club have allowed Farage and Farage alone to use them for political purposes during an election campaign. |  |
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 18:28 - Mar 25 with 1263 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:28 - Mar 25 by lowhouseblue |
He went on a stadium tour and he was filmed at all the points where other people on those tours are filmed. his pr people exploited the fact that the tour allows someone to do that.
if it had been polanski doing the same there would have been absolute delight on here. to pretend otherwise is silly. |
No. I would have been equally as pissed off if ANY of the political parties or leaders had taken advantage of the club in this manner and most right minded people, I would hope, feel likewise.
Cracking response B A. |  |
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It's very, very quiet.
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 18:39 - Mar 25 with 1198 views | lowhouseblue |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 18:28 - Mar 25 by StochesStotasBlewe |
No. I would have been equally as pissed off if ANY of the political parties or leaders had taken advantage of the club in this manner and most right minded people, I would hope, feel likewise.
Cracking response B A. |
i've said all along that the best place for the club would be to host no national politicians whatsoever. in fact i wouldn't want them to host anyone except the current mp and the council leader / officers.
but if it had been polanski this place would hardly have noticed other than to praise the club. no calls for sackings, no thrown away shirts, no calls for us to miss out on promotion. | |
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 18:53 - Mar 25 with 1142 views | Libero |
It’s better than the clubs communications but still not great- sure, apolitical seems reasonable, until you remember that this isn’t a normal politician we’re taking about, it’s a quasi-fascist. |  | | |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 18:58 - Mar 25 with 1107 views | bartyg |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 18:39 - Mar 25 by lowhouseblue |
i've said all along that the best place for the club would be to host no national politicians whatsoever. in fact i wouldn't want them to host anyone except the current mp and the council leader / officers.
but if it had been polanski this place would hardly have noticed other than to praise the club. no calls for sackings, no thrown away shirts, no calls for us to miss out on promotion. |
Mr oh so smart is stooping to whataboutery. How far you've fallen. |  |
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 19:03 - Mar 25 with 1051 views | lowhouseblue |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 18:58 - Mar 25 by bartyg |
Mr oh so smart is stooping to whataboutery. How far you've fallen. |
no, i'm making the point that many people on here are only concerned because it's someone they disagree with politically and / or hate. and they seem to think that the club should be a vehicle to reflect their political views back to them. i've also made the point that their political views are not typical of the wider fan base, so why exactly are they the ones whose views the club should prioritise? | |
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 19:13 - Mar 25 with 1031 views | bartyg |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 19:03 - Mar 25 by lowhouseblue |
no, i'm making the point that many people on here are only concerned because it's someone they disagree with politically and / or hate. and they seem to think that the club should be a vehicle to reflect their political views back to them. i've also made the point that their political views are not typical of the wider fan base, so why exactly are they the ones whose views the club should prioritise? |
Very easy to say given we'll never know! It's all conjecture. | |
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 19:25 - Mar 25 with 943 views | armchaircritic59 |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 13:13 - Mar 25 by SitfcB |
Know a few don’t have Instagram so here’s the tweet…
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Couldn't have put it better myself, well done guys and girls. |  | | |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 21:02 - Mar 25 with 816 views | stickymockwell |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 19:03 - Mar 25 by lowhouseblue |
no, i'm making the point that many people on here are only concerned because it's someone they disagree with politically and / or hate. and they seem to think that the club should be a vehicle to reflect their political views back to them. i've also made the point that their political views are not typical of the wider fan base, so why exactly are they the ones whose views the club should prioritise? |
I'd be lying if I said I'd be upset if Polanski was allowed the same treatment. Thats because I think he's a bloody amazing human who encourages inclusion and is trying to save the world from ***** like Farage.
Hypocritical yep. | |
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 21:14 - Mar 25 with 796 views | buoyant |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:28 - Mar 25 by lowhouseblue |
He went on a stadium tour and he was filmed at all the points where other people on those tours are filmed. his pr people exploited the fact that the tour allows someone to do that.
if it had been polanski doing the same there would have been absolute delight on here. to pretend otherwise is silly. |
So shift CAPS is possible.
I couldn't believe my eyes 👀 |  |
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| Had you seen the Reform video before posting this Lowers? on 21:18 - Mar 25 with 783 views | Dyland |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 14:28 - Mar 25 by lowhouseblue |
He went on a stadium tour and he was filmed at all the points where other people on those tours are filmed. his pr people exploited the fact that the tour allows someone to do that.
if it had been polanski doing the same there would have been absolute delight on here. to pretend otherwise is silly. |
Reform have used the club's Intellectual Property, and private property, to make a promotional video. It's a commercial. Big difference between editorial socials and promotional use. Some say there's a grey area when it comes to public relations. This is not one of those grey areas. Reform's video is commercial. Categorically. There's no exemptions here and if the club didn't agree to them doing so they have legal grounds to make them remove said content. If the club don't do so it speaks volumes.
Farage is more polarising than other politicians of course, but the issue would be the same if it were Starmer, Polanski or Lord Buckethead. I'd question the club in those circumstances just as I have done today after that seeing that video.
At the risk of sounding like a dick, I know what I'm talking about on the legal side having worked in IP licensing rights clearance for over thirty years. And been good at it, before you say ;) [Post edited 25 Mar 21:24]
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| Nice one Stickers on 21:23 - Mar 25 with 758 views | Dyland |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 21:02 - Mar 25 by stickymockwell |
I'd be lying if I said I'd be upset if Polanski was allowed the same treatment. Thats because I think he's a bloody amazing human who encourages inclusion and is trying to save the world from ***** like Farage.
Hypocritical yep. |
I don't wholly agree but fair play for nailing your colours to the mast. That's integrity innit. | |
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 06:07 - Mar 26 with 624 views | Benters |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 13:40 - Mar 25 by lowhouseblue |
you only think its great comms because it says what you want to hear. perhaps the statement the club wants to make is that a national politician visited the club, the club has no political view, so nothing to see here. you may not like that message, but others will be fine with it. perhaps the club has said all that intends to say. |
It doesn’t seem five minutes ago that some were singing ‘Oh Jeremy Corbin’  |  |
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 06:56 - Mar 26 with 590 views | CoachRob |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 21:14 - Mar 25 by buoyant |
So shift CAPS is possible.
I couldn't believe my eyes 👀 |
Probably forgot which account he was using. |  | | |
| Had you seen the Reform video before posting this Lowers? on 07:07 - Mar 26 with 566 views | Dubtractor |
| Had you seen the Reform video before posting this Lowers? on 21:18 - Mar 25 by Dyland |
Reform have used the club's Intellectual Property, and private property, to make a promotional video. It's a commercial. Big difference between editorial socials and promotional use. Some say there's a grey area when it comes to public relations. This is not one of those grey areas. Reform's video is commercial. Categorically. There's no exemptions here and if the club didn't agree to them doing so they have legal grounds to make them remove said content. If the club don't do so it speaks volumes.
Farage is more polarising than other politicians of course, but the issue would be the same if it were Starmer, Polanski or Lord Buckethead. I'd question the club in those circumstances just as I have done today after that seeing that video.
At the risk of sounding like a dick, I know what I'm talking about on the legal side having worked in IP licensing rights clearance for over thirty years. And been good at it, before you say ;) [Post edited 25 Mar 21:24]
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Lowhouse has a dim view of most twtd posters, so has to take the contrary view every time. Quite sad tbh.
Like you, I'd be angry about any politician, other than the local mp, using the club in this way. But it's also remarkably dim to pretend that Farage isn't more polarising than other mps. [Post edited 26 Mar 7:09]
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| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 07:39 - Mar 26 with 519 views | Blue_Moses |
| Blue Action Communicating Better Than The Club on 15:41 - Mar 25 by stickymockwell |
Have you been on a stadium tour. Try taking down the players shirts and putting ones up with yours and see what happens? Even better if you can promote something along side it. |
I went on one at the San Siro and they were happy with us touching the shirts but did get a bit upset when I tried to lift the European cup | | | |
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