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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago 23:20 - Mar 26 with 1675 views

And all, it would seem, because of one man (Ashton).

That in itself makes me angry.

There was no need for this to happen.

Apologies for yet another thread.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 05:00 - Mar 27 with 1318 views

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Got to admit it’s rather sad, family row round the dinner table vibes when we were all looking forward to hopefully another right go at promotion. Let hope someone is fist pumping at carrow road in 15 days time after whatever happens here in the next week or so.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 06:25 - Mar 27 with 1219 views

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 06:30 - Mar 27 with 1221 views

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At least the squabbling and division before was around the football itself.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 07:32 - Mar 27 with 1097 views

The_Flashing_Smile

Well actually it's not all down to one man. A large part of this is down to Farage - and it's exactly his MO. A salient lesson for a lot of people.

All it was, on the face of it, was 'man goes on football stadium tour' but look at the carnage it's created.

Astonishing really.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 07:35 - Mar 27 with 1084 views

Dubtractor

Yep. Thats the worst bit of this, and it was entirely predictable, it is why brands don't tend to associate themselves with Farage.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 07:45 - Mar 27 with 999 views

FrimleyBlue

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 07:32 - Mar 27 by The_Flashing_Smile
Well actually it's not all down to one man. A large part of this is down to Farage - and it's exactly his MO. A salient lesson for a lot of people. All it was, on the face of it, was 'man goes on football stadium tour' but look at the carnage it's created. Astonishing really.

Are you purposefully being blind in this?

Why are you still running with 'it was just a tour' or am I misunderstanding your view?

Are you genuinely not seeing an issue with

Ashton and co inviting him to lunch
Telling lies to local media partners
Sending out a lie in official club statement
Gifting 6 free shirts to a politician
Providing approval for a political party to use club branding in commercial activity
Causing issues internally within staff players and potentially sponsors.

You honestly see all of the above as just someone going on a tour?

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 07:54 - Mar 27 with 926 views

JakeITFC

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 07:32 - Mar 27 by The_Flashing_Smile
Well actually it's not all down to one man. A large part of this is down to Farage - and it's exactly his MO. A salient lesson for a lot of people. All it was, on the face of it, was 'man goes on football stadium tour' but look at the carnage it's created. Astonishing really.

You’ve been wide of the mark all week on this unfortunately. This is very much a Mark Ashton mess-up which he should fully own.

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 07:56 - Mar 27 with 920 views

Swansea_Blue

I’m glad you put Ashton’s name in brackets, as for a minute I thought it was another thread about darkhorsebunchofnumbers again :)

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 08:03 - Mar 27 with 883 views

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 07:54 - Mar 27 by JakeITFC
You’ve been wide of the mark all week on this unfortunately. This is very much a Mark Ashton mess-up which he should fully own.

Flash has got a point to a degree. Farage corrupts everything he comes into contact with and I doubt any other party head would have turned us into effectively their corporate sponsor.

But of course Ashton should have known better.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 08:08 - Mar 27 with 850 views

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 07:45 - Mar 27 by FrimleyBlue

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How does one know if he did or did not get permission for this from our American owners ?
Has anyone tried to find out !

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 08:08 - Mar 27 with 852 views

Butterbing

One of my problems is that if there is this level of division among the fanbase then there is quite likely division amongt the staff (there is according to the Athletic) and worse still division in the dressing room (which exists according to the Guardian). At this point in the season the players, staff and fanbase should all be pulling in the same direction. It's astonishly shortsighted, embarrassing and disappointing.

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 08:10 - Mar 27 with 832 views

FrimleyBlue

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 08:08 - Mar 27 by backwaywhen
How does one know if he did or did not get permission for this from our American owners ? Has anyone tried to find out !

Because it wouldnt matter if he did or didn't. Altho not doing so would have been worse anyway

But lets say he did. Hes still the man in charge of the club and oversees what happens inside it. He should have kept well away from it. So even if he obtained their approval it doesnt make what he did right.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 08:12 - Mar 27 with 820 views

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 08:03 - Mar 27 by Swansea_Blue
Flash has got a point to a degree. Farage corrupts everything he comes into contact with and I doubt any other party head would have turned us into effectively their corporate sponsor. But of course Ashton should have known better.

But had it either have been Farage truly milking us and booking a private tour as initially suggested or Town did have a part in it but gave a robust statement/apology early on this could have very much been yesterdays news by now. The scandal is not so much that Farage was here but that the CEO facilitated it, lied about it (both internally and externally) and still hasn’t taken a crumb of responsibility for it.

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 08:18 - Mar 27 with 777 views

Dubtractor

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 07:32 - Mar 27 by The_Flashing_Smile
Well actually it's not all down to one man. A large part of this is down to Farage - and it's exactly his MO. A salient lesson for a lot of people. All it was, on the face of it, was 'man goes on football stadium tour' but look at the carnage it's created. Astonishing really.

Get your head out of the sand.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 08:33 - Mar 27 with 710 views

urbanpenguin

I don't see a lot of division tbh. In the main, most people seem in agreement.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 08:36 - Mar 27 with 693 views

Wallingford_Boy

I think there has been division on here for a long time.

I guess that's natural on a football forum, but there is definitely a split on here.

This episode has clearly highlighted this divide even further.

Nice cat though.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 10:47 - Mar 27 with 561 views

The_Flashing_Smile

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 07:45 - Mar 27 by FrimleyBlue

[Post edited 27 Mar 7:46]

You and your uparrows have fundamentally misunderstood what I'm saying.

I am not saying 'it was just a tour' - I'm showing the madness of what it was if you were to remove all context. If you take it down to its basic elements it was a man goes on a club tour, takes a few pics/films and has a lunch with the CEO. But who it is and what he represents OBVIOUSLY makes all the difference. I'm highlighting the ridiculousness of what Ashton has done which will presumably end his career here.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 10:52 - Mar 27 with 540 views

The_Flashing_Smile

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 07:54 - Mar 27 by JakeITFC
You’ve been wide of the mark all week on this unfortunately. This is very much a Mark Ashton mess-up which he should fully own.

No blame on Farage on what he's done and the way he divides?

I have been wide on the mark - but only in terms of going by the known facts at the time rather than rumours and heresay.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 10:56 - Mar 27 with 528 views

The_Flashing_Smile

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 08:18 - Mar 27 by Dubtractor
Get your head out of the sand.

In what way is my head in the sand? I can appreciate Frimmers not understanding my point but I thought you were brighter.

For more clarity, I hate Farage and Reform, I hate that they were allowed to use our club for publicity purposes, and I hate that Ashton was complicit in all this and then lied about it.

I thought people on here knew my politics. I didn't think I needed to spell this out.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 10:57 - Mar 27 with 519 views

JakeITFC

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 10:52 - Mar 27 by The_Flashing_Smile
No blame on Farage on what he's done and the way he divides? I have been wide on the mark - but only in terms of going by the known facts at the time rather than rumours and heresay.

Blame for Farage is implicit but also tacit - you know what you are getting by jumping into bed with him. If anything that's a further mistake made by Ashton.

I think it is genuinely important that this isn't construed as just an anti-Farage matter because it isn't.

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 11:02 - Mar 27 with 483 views

FrimleyBlue

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 10:47 - Mar 27 by The_Flashing_Smile

Ah I see. Thanks flash that does make sense how youve clarified it.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 11:03 - Mar 27 with 478 views

Dubtractor

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 10:56 - Mar 27 by The_Flashing_Smile
In what way is my head in the sand? I can appreciate Frimmers not understanding my point but I thought you were brighter. For more clarity, I hate Farage and Reform, I hate that they were allowed to use our club for publicity purposes, and I hate that Ashton was complicit in all this and then lied about it. I thought people on here knew my politics. I didn't think I needed to spell this out.

Your further clarification is fair, so consider my head in sand comment taken back.

That said, you do have a habit of refusing to accept criticism of people or things you like, when sometimes the case is pretty clear. It felt like that was the case again this morning, with you having spent the week proposing lots of alternative scenarios (AI, no film crew) when it was always far more likely that it had happened as has now been made clear.

I think you're a good egg, but sometimes too loyal to the people you support.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 11:03 - Mar 27 with 478 views

The_Flashing_Smile

So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 10:57 - Mar 27 by JakeITFC
Blame for Farage is implicit but also tacit - you know what you are getting by jumping into bed with him. If anything that's a further mistake made by Ashton. I think it is genuinely important that this isn't construed as just an anti-Farage matter because it isn't.

I don't think it has been construed as that by most.

I just took issue with the OP saying "So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago and all, it would seem, because of one man (Ashton)" when it's clear that Farage has a huge part to play in it too. He knew exactly what he was doing - because that is what he does. And I'm hoping some who didn't realise it, or didn't fully appeciate how easily it works, can wake up.

None of this takes away from Ashton being an idiot who should lose his job.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 11:11 - Mar 27 with 435 views

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 11:03 - Mar 27 by Dubtractor

I was going on the facts we knew, and was trying to stick to those without getting drawn into heresay. Yes I wanted to believe the best of of the club. When it's the club v Farage why wouldn't I?

A lot were condemning the club and believing everything coming from Farage's side - trial by social media rather than facts. That it turns out they were right and I was wrong to back the club is obviously horrifying... but I still maintain that's what you do until facts are known.

If the club had come out with evidence to the contrary it's me who would've been proved right. That wasn't me being naive and them knowing more - they just got lucky, if you can call it that. And I'll continue to wait for the facts before condemning people. Too many seem to just read what they read on social media and accept it all. Just because it turned out to be right this time doesn't mean it validates that way of thinking and means you should always go that way.

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 12:08 - Mar 27 with 330 views

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So much division amongst ITFC supporters that wasn't there just a few days ago on 11:11 - Mar 27 by The_Flashing_Smile

Only part agree with that. You were ignoring the evidence of the pictures and supporting the idea that they were AI to make the clubs story stack up. The evidence of the pictures was right there, but you chose to ignore it.

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