| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit 08:12 - Mar 27 with 3243 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
It's too late for apologies and resignations. Huge damage has been inflicted on ITFC already.
The question now becomes "Why are the owners not acting?". It's as clear as day that Ashton, Werhun and Nash should be fired. Failing to do so starts to build the belief that the owners were part of the decision to host Reform. And that belief builds hour by hour whilst nothing happens.
The rest of the football world is having a field day with this. Just wait until we play Birmingham, then Norwich away, and all the remaining matches. Because we are going to be getting relentless abuse, chants, nazi salutes, Tifos, you name it. Social media is buzzing with memes about nazi FC, including fake pictures of our beloved manager doing nazi salutes.
This will only stop when the owners make it stop. They have to fire those responsible, and make a heartfelt apology for both providing a promotional platform to Reform, and for then lying to us all about it. They need to distance the club from far right associations if they want to begin the process of restoring our reputation. It's going to be a long road, but it starts with the owners and has to start now.
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 10:29 - Mar 27 with 676 views | NthQldITFC |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:55 - Mar 27 by Blueschev |
The imaginary hosting by the club of Zach Polanski seems to have really ruffled some feathers among certain posters. |
It does, and it's very encouraging in several senses. |  |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 10:30 - Mar 27 with 667 views | ITFCSG |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:36 - Mar 27 by Blueschev |
The club has essentially allowed itself to be the centre piece for a party political broadcast. That was going to be divisive amongst the fanbase regardless of which party it was. It should never have been allowed to happen, for obvious reasons. Your assertion that only a tiny fraction of people actually care is demonstrably untrue, it has made international news.
We now have a situation, at the most important point of the season, where the fan base will be vocally split on political grounds. It will not lend itself to a healthy atmosphere, and will distract from what should be an escape from the stresses of real life for a couple of hours.
All of that before you take in to account that we have gifted publicity to the most divisive political party in the country. Farage 10 was hung next to the shirt of our one Albanian International. Given Farage' past comments, how do you think that makes him feel? How do you think our Muslim players feel about their employer being used as a vehicle of promoting such a political party? It doubt it makes them want to put in an extra 10%.
These are all negatives for the club caused by a situation that never ever needed to happen. [Post edited 27 Mar 10:29]
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MA and Ipswich are lucky that Sam Morsy is no longer a Town player and club captain. I’m sure he’d have something to say about all these |  | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 10:31 - Mar 27 with 647 views | blueislander |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 10:27 - Mar 27 by pointofblue |
Bringing the club into disrepute? Surely that's enough of a reason to dismiss him. |
That would seem the most likely, but very difficult to prove in an employment tribunal. I imagine they would offer some form of recompense for him to go quietly and quickly. | | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 11:04 - Mar 27 with 585 views | WD7BLUE |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 10:10 - Mar 27 by EdwardStone |
I respectfully disagree with your opinions
Here I give you my opinions
Without Farage and his many iterations of political parties Brexit would not have happened
The wellbeing of UK declined sharply as a reult of WW2, which itself was a result of WW1, the costs of both these conflicts snapped our hamstring and we have never recovered
You are correct to say that we cannot say with any provable certainty the exact cost of Brexit, Covid, the Ukraine war, this new Gulf war will all have had a negative influence on our fiscal health. However, the figures I have used are widely accepted as realistic.....OBR, Stanford University, Kings College London and many others put them out there. These are estimates, they cannot be anything else. Suffice to say that Brexit has not made UK more prosperous
Hosting Reform/Farage is not a " non-issue"
Farage is an odious racist, mysogynist, grifting ne'er do well who would happily sell us down the river for a few pieces of gold in his offshore bank account
If given the opportunity, Farage will lead us into a very unpleasant place as a country and as a society
Your whataboutery of mentioning Polanski is lame |
Edward - I appreciate the respectful way you have set out your disagreement with my view.
Rather than rebut with your points, which I accept are reasonably made, I would simply opine that this whole matter has gone too far. And as for my "whataboutery", as someone who sits almost dead centre politically, I am trying to make the point (albeit clumsily) that there are grifters everywhere in politics, not just the right. | | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 11:09 - Mar 27 with 553 views | Herbivore |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 11:04 - Mar 27 by WD7BLUE |
Edward - I appreciate the respectful way you have set out your disagreement with my view.
Rather than rebut with your points, which I accept are reasonably made, I would simply opine that this whole matter has gone too far. And as for my "whataboutery", as someone who sits almost dead centre politically, I am trying to make the point (albeit clumsily) that there are grifters everywhere in politics, not just the right. |
The "left" (I use the term lightly) equivalent of Farage is someone like George Galloway, not Polanski. |  |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 11:19 - Mar 27 with 513 views | Ryorry |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:40 - Mar 27 by Bobbychase |
Isn't that the issue though, especially for the owners? People talk as though replacing CEOs like Ashton will be just like replacing a shop manager. It won't be. Look around English football and some of the car crashes on show. Sure, we could get someone as competent, but there is a risk here for the Americans and remember there are hundreds of millions of pounds at stake.
They will take emotion out of it. As fans we can't do that of course but they will. |
Edit - replied to wrong post, apologies. [Post edited 27 Mar 11:25]
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 11:23 - Mar 27 with 504 views | bartyg |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 11:04 - Mar 27 by WD7BLUE |
Edward - I appreciate the respectful way you have set out your disagreement with my view.
Rather than rebut with your points, which I accept are reasonably made, I would simply opine that this whole matter has gone too far. And as for my "whataboutery", as someone who sits almost dead centre politically, I am trying to make the point (albeit clumsily) that there are grifters everywhere in politics, not just the right. |
At least you didn't say you sit in the centre between Farage and Starmer! |  |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 11:23 - Mar 27 with 498 views | Ryorry |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:19 - Mar 27 by JakeITFC |
I think tbf if they are discussing whether the CEO/Chairman stays in post it isn’t just as quick a decision as getting shot. A lot of the senior staff are his, he has a lot of oversight over pretty much all club matters and I think he may even have a small % ownership as part of Gamechanger and so it will be pretty tricky to unwind immediately. |
Then they should at the very least put him on gardening leave or some such whilst putting out a statement that they acknowledge the seriousness of the situation, and are working towards a resolution.
That they’ve done nothing is an indictment on their own stated ethos of ‘running towards adversity’. They are shooting themselves in the foot with their silence. | |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 11:30 - Mar 27 with 472 views | Blueschev |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 11:23 - Mar 27 by Ryorry |
Then they should at the very least put him on gardening leave or some such whilst putting out a statement that they acknowledge the seriousness of the situation, and are working towards a resolution.
That they’ve done nothing is an indictment on their own stated ethos of ‘running towards adversity’. They are shooting themselves in the foot with their silence. |
"Propel the club in to unnecessary adversity, then run away." |  | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 11:53 - Mar 27 with 417 views | lowhouseblue |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:43 - Mar 27 by NthQldITFC |
That is a truly despicable comment. Disgusting. You've gone down several levels in my opinion with that, and you were already close to the bottom of the cesspit. Absolute disgrace. |
it's politics reduced to name calling. the 'racist and xenophobic' line isn't politics, it's online collective willy waving. it just shows that you're in such an echo chamber that no one challenges it. you could go the full hog and use the 'deplorables' tag. that always works well. there are many, many, many reasons why farage et al should never be near power, but to prevent it happening you need to persuade other people not call them names. the more extreme the name calling gets, the less anyone else listens. |  |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 12:00 - Mar 27 with 358 views | Ryorry |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 11:53 - Mar 27 by lowhouseblue |
it's politics reduced to name calling. the 'racist and xenophobic' line isn't politics, it's online collective willy waving. it just shows that you're in such an echo chamber that no one challenges it. you could go the full hog and use the 'deplorables' tag. that always works well. there are many, many, many reasons why farage et al should never be near power, but to prevent it happening you need to persuade other people not call them names. the more extreme the name calling gets, the less anyone else listens. |
“it's politics reduced to name calling. the 'racist and xenophobic' line isn't politics, it's online collective willy waving. it just shows that you're in such an echo chamber that no one challenges it. you could go the full hog and use the 'deplorables' tag. that always works well.”
I suggest it’s personal beliefs, values and standards - that many of us, btw, share with him. | |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 12:14 - Mar 27 with 312 views | StokieBlue |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 11:53 - Mar 27 by lowhouseblue |
it's politics reduced to name calling. the 'racist and xenophobic' line isn't politics, it's online collective willy waving. it just shows that you're in such an echo chamber that no one challenges it. you could go the full hog and use the 'deplorables' tag. that always works well. there are many, many, many reasons why farage et al should never be near power, but to prevent it happening you need to persuade other people not call them names. the more extreme the name calling gets, the less anyone else listens. |
Everyone has been over this with you before. To ignore all those debates and then accuse others of being in echo chambers is quite something.
You cannot persuade people who aren't interested in evidence or ignore evidence when it doesn't suit their agenda. People have tried countless on here to get certain posters to engage in debate backed by evidence but they always refuse, state their opinion which is usually contradicted by the evidence and then refuse to back it up with any evidence of their own.
You continually ignore this in favour of pushing your "but both sides" narrative.
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 13:20 - Mar 27 with 252 views | benrhyddingblue |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:48 - Mar 27 by WD7BLUE |
I have hesitated to post on this issue over the last few days as it is easy to see both sides. However, this has all simply gone too far.
The damage done to the UK is not only the fault of Farage as odious as he is. The real declined started many years before under Blair and Brown and exacerbated, reputationally, under Johnson.
The figures that folk readily throw around about the cost to the country are so highly debatable when the reality is that it is impossible to measure as there are too many variables.
In terms of the wider perspective, I understand the deception element but the action of hosting Reform is a non-issue. If we had hosted the Greens there would not have been this fuss. Zach Polanski is as much a conman as Farage but more dangerous. |
“Zach Polanski is as much a conman as Farage but more dangerous”. In what ways? Yet again another statement about Polanski on here with no substance whatsoever. | | | |
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