| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers 08:15 - Mar 31 with 10140 views | urbanpenguin |
People keep writing on here that TWTD is full of "left wingers", or even worse "the far woke".
But is it? I didn't want to do a poll because that would only descend into a binfire, but I am nonetheless interested in the fact some people think this website has an Overton Window further to the left than other places in the world.
I suspect that what's actually happening is that those people who otherwise post on Twitter/X or in closed family Facebook groups are here suddenly encountering different views and counter opinions where normally there's a bubble of agreement.
That doesn't mean that everybody here is left wing, just that perhaps it slightly more reflects a broader society, but they cannot get their minds around that and so just believe and shout that they are drowning in a sea of lefties.
Or perhaps, for no logical reason I can imagine, a thirty year old website run by a couple of football fans has somehow turned into a Suffolk amalgam of Tribune, Pravda and The Morning Star, just with more content about Bontcho. [Post edited 31 Mar 8:17]
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:09 - Mar 31 with 717 views | BackToRussia |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:03 - Mar 31 by GlasgowBlue |
According to someone who has know him since he was a lad, Zed is BackToRussia. |
Def info. |  |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:10 - Mar 31 with 704 views | urbanpenguin |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:04 - Mar 31 by WeWereZombies |
In part of the coursework for my philosophy masters degree there was an observation that after the Spanish civil war ended Franco was sort of happy to allow some Marxist professors to keep their university posts, they served as useful 'Aunt Sallys' for the fascists. Liberals, however, were generally hounded out of any influential post (bear in mind that we get the term from Los Liberales, the radical force within Latin politics from a century or two ago.) |
The same happens in different systems. South Korea, under dictatorship, allowed certain abstract artists to work and achieve international recognition while also imprisoning and repressing artists who had any hint of politics in their work. There is currently a revisiting of the great years of Korean abstract work, including some excellent shows at the last Venice Biennale of Art, but also a younger generation of Korean artists are turning their back on it, a generation involving their tutors and politicians, as a time that used art to allow repression of other artists and social risings, including in Gwangju. [Post edited 31 Mar 10:13]
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:12 - Mar 31 with 698 views | RKD |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:09 - Mar 31 by BackToRussia |
Def info. |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:12 - Mar 31 with 695 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 09:53 - Mar 31 by Libero |
I can only assume it doesn't affect you personally in any meaningful way?
I'm Dad to a 6 year old boy with high support needs, I work in the arts and entertainment, I'm chronically ill, I'm part of the LGBTQ community, I have a number of friends that are trans, I'm kinship carer for my partners two teenage siblings who were put in our care by social services, I'm caring for my 90 year old Great Uncle, I receive benefits to top up our household income, support the children and to support my own needs for my own disabilities.
These factors of my life are inherently political, but I remember a time in my life where as an individual, I was not so under-attack politically.
I think when something touches elements of your life in a profound way, you've every right to not only engage with it, but engage in your own authentic manner that you feel is proportionate to your own lived experience. |
I guess I'm fortunate that personally it's been a case of 'swings and roundabouts' when it comes to the Tory and Labour governments that have been in power during my adult life.
I sympathise with your situation, but unfortunately you can do very little to control who is in power no matter how engaged you are in politics. |  | | |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:13 - Mar 31 with 690 views | Herbivore |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 09:45 - Mar 31 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
I'm amazed how many people get worked up by politics, bearing in mind how little anyone can do to control it.
Have more chance of influencing the result on Easter Monday by getting behind the team. |
I'm amazed how many people loudly and proudly don't care about politics. It affects every area of our lives and the lives of our fellow citizens (and beyond). It's kind of important, mate. |  |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:16 - Mar 31 with 672 views | Libero |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:12 - Mar 31 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
I guess I'm fortunate that personally it's been a case of 'swings and roundabouts' when it comes to the Tory and Labour governments that have been in power during my adult life.
I sympathise with your situation, but unfortunately you can do very little to control who is in power no matter how engaged you are in politics. |
Well, I'd implore you to think of others who live more complex lives than yourself.
I don't subscribe to your defeatism - history is littered with 'normal' people having big impacts. |  | | |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:18 - Mar 31 with 653 views | ZedRodgers |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:03 - Mar 31 by GlasgowBlue |
According to someone who has know him since he was a lad, Zed is BackToRussia. |
HE'S IN YOUR HEAD,
IN YOUR HEADDDDDDD
Z-ED, Z-ED, Z-ED-ZED-ZED |  |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:22 - Mar 31 with 646 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:01 - Mar 31 by bluelagos |
Really?
In parliament right now is a bill called The Hillsborough Law. The prime minister has agreed to it passing, it is a govt bill.
It will when passed introduce a legal duty of candour so that if people like the SYP ever repeated their actions of lying to a public inquiry, it would be a criminal offense.
Groups like the infected blood guys, post office subpostmasters and grenfell untied have all joined the campaign.
It was started by ordinary people. Like you, like me. |
I admire people like the Hillsborough families and Alan Bates, but few of us have that much determination. Look at the pain they all had to go through to 'beat' the institution.
Most people just argue about it as we're seeing on this forum. | | | |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:24 - Mar 31 with 634 views | ZedRodgers |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 09:16 - Mar 31 by TheMoralMajority |
Oh! So you're Zed. Someone thought I was you over the weekend, so I will be keeping an eye on you to see if that was a compliment or not. |
Many allegations have been made and will continue to be made about the identity of Zed. All have been incorrect thus far.
The warmest effort was probably lowhouse accusing me of being a paid Corbyn agitator circa 2019. | |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:29 - Mar 31 with 605 views | grow_our_own |
TWTD is almost equally left and right according to this:
https://www.twtd.co.uk/members
The notion TWTD is left-wing is a concoction by pro-Ashtoners who want to pretend the polls here wanting Ashton out aren't representative of Ipswich fans. They say X is more representative. Ludicrous because this is an Ipswich site, and X is a general social media platform, and one that skews to one side of the political spectrum.
The Ashton debate shouldn't be tribal. I've never voted for a left-wing party in my life. A CEO has no business politicising their football club, lying about it, and refusing to admit any culpability. Don't need to vote left to think that. [Post edited 31 Mar 10:33]
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:36 - Mar 31 with 557 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:13 - Mar 31 by Herbivore |
I'm amazed how many people loudly and proudly don't care about politics. It affects every area of our lives and the lives of our fellow citizens (and beyond). It's kind of important, mate. |
Obviously you care about politics and I don't. Not loudly and proudly, but it's all a bit 'meh' to me.
Genuine question. As it's so important to you, what do you do to influence anything other than pay to join a union and stick a cross in a box?! | | | |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:38 - Mar 31 with 540 views | urbanpenguin |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:36 - Mar 31 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
Obviously you care about politics and I don't. Not loudly and proudly, but it's all a bit 'meh' to me.
Genuine question. As it's so important to you, what do you do to influence anything other than pay to join a union and stick a cross in a box?! |
You may not have an interest in politics, but politics has an interest in you. | |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:39 - Mar 31 with 531 views | urbanpenguin |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:36 - Mar 31 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
Obviously you care about politics and I don't. Not loudly and proudly, but it's all a bit 'meh' to me.
Genuine question. As it's so important to you, what do you do to influence anything other than pay to join a union and stick a cross in a box?! |
Regarding "what do you do other than..." I gave you a concrete example, others have too. Action, opposition, protest can change things, it has through history and still does every day | |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:40 - Mar 31 with 539 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:29 - Mar 31 by grow_our_own |
TWTD is almost equally left and right according to this:
https://www.twtd.co.uk/members
The notion TWTD is left-wing is a concoction by pro-Ashtoners who want to pretend the polls here wanting Ashton out aren't representative of Ipswich fans. They say X is more representative. Ludicrous because this is an Ipswich site, and X is a general social media platform, and one that skews to one side of the political spectrum.
The Ashton debate shouldn't be tribal. I've never voted for a left-wing party in my life. A CEO has no business politicising their football club, lying about it, and refusing to admit any culpability. Don't need to vote left to think that. [Post edited 31 Mar 10:33]
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To be fair, the accusations predate the Ashton issue (and even his rocking up here). They are generally quoted by people who are distraught that right-leaning points get challenged aren't simply swallowed as what everyone reasonable believes. |  |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:41 - Mar 31 with 527 views | TheMoralMajority |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:36 - Mar 31 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
Obviously you care about politics and I don't. Not loudly and proudly, but it's all a bit 'meh' to me.
Genuine question. As it's so important to you, what do you do to influence anything other than pay to join a union and stick a cross in a box?! |
Also, politics is everywhere, it's inescapable. I appreciate that I am muddying the point a little, as there is a difference between being impacted and engaged.
But, stuck in traffic? Politics
Train delayed? Politics
Made redundant? Politics
Bills gone up? Politics
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:44 - Mar 31 with 513 views | GlasgowBlue |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:41 - Mar 31 by TheMoralMajority |
Also, politics is everywhere, it's inescapable. I appreciate that I am muddying the point a little, as there is a difference between being impacted and engaged.
But, stuck in traffic? Politics
Train delayed? Politics
Made redundant? Politics
Bills gone up? Politics
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I thought I was politically engaged and reasonably knowledgeable until my Mrs started a politics degree at Uni two years ago. I'm learning as much as she is. [Post edited 31 Mar 10:44]
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:47 - Mar 31 with 500 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:41 - Mar 31 by TheMoralMajority |
Also, politics is everywhere, it's inescapable. I appreciate that I am muddying the point a little, as there is a difference between being impacted and engaged.
But, stuck in traffic? Politics
Train delayed? Politics
Made redundant? Politics
Bills gone up? Politics
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And each time you go, meh, that's just life, the politicians put you into a box of "don't care". Each time you write to an MP or local councillor, etc about an issue you contribute to their figures. Somewhere in between come signing petitions, participating in opinion polls, making comments on social media, etc. This is why AI bots are doing a lot of these, to influence politicians and therefore the decisions made. It is also why the media is so powerful in dictating the issues that people think matter.
The idea that politics is something we cannot influence is a bit like saying we cannot influence the food we eat so I will just eat whatever is at hand wherever whenever. That is a luxury not everyone has. It also means vegetarians, those who buy FairTrade, etc are making no difference. Yet, clearly those who do are. One individual may make very little impact but multiply that by millions and it does. That is also one of the reasons why many vegetarians are evangelical in preaching the benefits. | |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:48 - Mar 31 with 494 views | ZedRodgers |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:09 - Mar 31 by BackToRussia |
Def info. |
Come on mate - we've rehearsed this. I said wait an hour or so before replying.
Next time I’ll argue with myself first to make it more convincing. Subtlety clearly isn't in our shared skillset. | |
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| This forum has always…. on 10:49 - Mar 31 with 490 views | Tambu |
| This forum has always…. on 08:40 - Mar 31 by Bloots |
….been a massive lefty bumfest.
Over recent years it’s been exacerbated by a handful of the far woke also being the loudest, most frequent and most aggressive posters.
End of political editorial. |
Less about their political affiliations and more about virtue signalling. They don't want to be seen to be less than virtuous. Totally understandable. |  |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:50 - Mar 31 with 488 views | Guthrum |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 09:45 - Mar 31 by WeWereZombies |
You don't have to be trained to debate, you just have to be decent and listen as well as speak truthfully. And then you learn as you go along, and you never stop learning...no matter how well trained you get. |
I think what you've said does require training. Particularly in an era where everyone is brought up on soap operas and TV dramas full of overwrought and emotionally unstable characters screaming at each other (if not actually trying to get people sacked or kill them).
Melodramatic acting is mistaken for normal social interaction. Especially on the internet, where emotional and empathic signals are largely missing.
Plus the idea that truth is based upon one's gut feelings, rather than hard facts. |  |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:52 - Mar 31 with 475 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:39 - Mar 31 by urbanpenguin |
Regarding "what do you do other than..." I gave you a concrete example, others have too. Action, opposition, protest can change things, it has through history and still does every day |
I was responding to Herbivore. | | | |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:55 - Mar 31 with 465 views | SonOfSpock |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 08:37 - Mar 31 by bluelagos |
They are also authoritarian. iD cards and banning protest groups like Palestine Action. |
Indeed, like locking people up for social media posts and recently voted in favour of dispensing with Jury trials in certain cases and significantly reducing appeal to Crown court.. |  | | |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:59 - Mar 31 with 452 views | ghostofescobar |
For me, the left/right wing thing is just a label that someone puts on me. To my core, I know that I find discrimination, racism, bigotry and hatred abhorrent. I believe in society trying to help those that are less well off.i believe in inclusion, as long as you are not out to hurt others. I believe that’s many of our problems stem from the rich elite/upper class, not, as an example, that these problems are predominantly down to immigration. I just think I am a fairly decent human being. I know when I give myself my final look in the mirror, I think I’ll be able to say, I think I did ok and I didn’t add to the hatred and ignorance. I don’t care if someone wants to call that “left wing”, that’s their label. I like TWTD because it is one place where there seems to be, what I would deem, a few decent people prepared to post and debate sensibly. |  |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 11:00 - Mar 31 with 444 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:55 - Mar 31 by SonOfSpock |
Indeed, like locking people up for social media posts and recently voted in favour of dispensing with Jury trials in certain cases and significantly reducing appeal to Crown court.. |
Would that be for threatening and racist social media posts ... or for posts that simply express a political opinion?
Clearly, one is quite reasonably a criminal offence in any reasonable regime whilst the other is authoritarian.
The issue may be the places where there are gaps. Is supporting Reform racist? Or supporting Corbyn antisemitic? Is supporting the Association of British Fascists? Etc, etc. At which point is it reasonable to restrict people's freedom to do these things. At what point does that become authoritarian? Some will deliberately manipulate some of the grey areas to their own agenda. | |
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| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 11:00 - Mar 31 with 441 views | urbanpenguin |
| TWTD is a hotbed of left wingers on 10:50 - Mar 31 by Guthrum |
I think what you've said does require training. Particularly in an era where everyone is brought up on soap operas and TV dramas full of overwrought and emotionally unstable characters screaming at each other (if not actually trying to get people sacked or kill them).
Melodramatic acting is mistaken for normal social interaction. Especially on the internet, where emotional and empathic signals are largely missing.
Plus the idea that truth is based upon one's gut feelings, rather than hard facts. |
Yeah. It does. And one of the reasons that politicians (of all stripes) largely come from private schooling system is because those schools put a lot of attention into things like music, theatre, debating and expression - all tools that help build confidence, social engagement and strategies of persuasion that are fundamental to our current politics. Obviously, for so many politicians (and others in power, especially economic and media power) to come from a small subset if society and education skews everything hugely.
I've just listened to Nick Robinson interview Zack Polanski. For the record, I am a Green member and have been a few years after I lost hope in Labour. That said, I think he comes across very well and I would encourage posters on this site who throw silly phrases around and at anyone not right wing to listen. They may not be convinced, like him, or like green policies, that's fine, but they may be interested in the discussions around storytelling, theatre, persuasion and bullying narrative. They may also realuse that discussion and debate is useful.
If interested: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/p [Post edited 31 Mar 11:03]
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