| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% 22:16 - Apr 19 with 2842 views | Bellevue_Blue |
He generates the 3rd most xG per 90 of any Championship player at 0.61 and has on average 4.1 shots per 90, yet just 5 goals scored this season and it's easy to see why.
Missed 18 big chances this season, now joint 2nd with Hirst and Wright in the division but most staggeringly he has a shot conversion rate of just 7%.
That ranks 59th out of 70+ strikers to have played in the division this season.
Still holding out hope a few go in for him over the next four.
Mohamed Touré – 43.8%
Mathias Jørgensen – 35.7%
Cyle Larin – 31.3%
Milutin Osmajic – 29.6%
Carlton Morris – 28.6%
Ross Stewart – 26.1%
Zan Vipotnik – 25.3%
Milan Smit – 25.0%
Andri Gudjohnsen – 24.1%
Adam Idah – 23.5%
Charlie Kelman – 23.1%
Oli McBurnie – 22.2%
Kaly Sène – 22.2%
Brandon Thomas-Asante – 21.4%
Sam Smith – 20.6%
Josh Coburn – 20.5%
Patrick Bamford – 20.0%
Jerry Yates – 19.1%
Marvin Ducksch – 18.2%
Mathias Kvistgaarden – 18.2%
Will Lankshear – 17.7%
Haji Wright – 17.6%
Kyle Joseph – 17.4%
George Hirst – 15.6%
Daniel Jebbison – 15.8%
Mark Harris – 15.8%
Kieffer Moore – 14.9%
Vivaldo Semedo – 14.8%
Cameron Archer – 14.8%
Josh Maja – 14.8%
Thomas Cannon – 14.7%
David Strelec – 14.6%
Ellis Simms – 14.3%
Divin Mubama – 14.3%
Luca Kjerrumgaard – 14.1%
Tyrese Campbell – 13.6%
Matt Godden – 13.3%
Tommy Conway – 13.2%
Aune Selland Heggebø – 13.0%
Macaulay Langstaff – 13.0%
Jordan Ayew – 13.0%
Emil Riis Jakobsen – 12.9%
Lyndon Dykes – 12.8%
Adam Armstrong – 12.6%
Danny Ings – 12.5%
Joshua Sargent – 12.1%
Patrick Agyemang – 11.8%
Mamadou Doumbia – 11.6%
Michael Smith – 10.3%
Richard Kone – 10.2%
Patson Daka – 10.0%
Jacob Brown – 10.0%
Sinclair Armstrong – 9.1%
Tanto Olaofe – 9.1%
Yuki Ohashi – 8.5%
Jamal Lowe – 8.2%
Iván Azón – 7.0%
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 22:21 - Apr 19 with 2426 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Yes, and Hirst is 24th on that list with a conversion more than double Azon's but only just over a third of the top one.
If our strikers took twice as many of their chances that they do we would be up by now. But they probably wouldn't have been our strikers if they had been doing that last season either. It is a weakness both have.
If we could develop their finishing we would do very well out of them. |  |
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 22:25 - Apr 19 with 2379 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I quite like Azon but huge questions will be asked if we fall short on our summer business. |  |
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 22:30 - Apr 19 with 2365 views | Len_Brennan |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 22:21 - Apr 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Yes, and Hirst is 24th on that list with a conversion more than double Azon's but only just over a third of the top one.
If our strikers took twice as many of their chances that they do we would be up by now. But they probably wouldn't have been our strikers if they had been doing that last season either. It is a weakness both have.
If we could develop their finishing we would do very well out of them. |
Would signing Oli McBurnie (22.2%) last summer have been the difference between us being up by now & our suffering through this torture I wonder. | |
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 22:34 - Apr 19 with 2330 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 22:30 - Apr 19 by Len_Brennan |
Would signing Oli McBurnie (22.2%) last summer have been the difference between us being up by now & our suffering through this torture I wonder. |
I very much doubt it. He really isn't the right fit for the club and we have shipped out Szmodics for those sort of reasons.
Had we got Vipotnik or similar in then I would say yes. I am sure we have put a lot of effort into trying to get the right player in that position but, aside from Delap, we have fallen short really over multiple windows. We aren't the only club who has struggled to get what is needed in that position and that doesn't help that many clubs are after the same players. | |
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 22:59 - Apr 19 with 2215 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 22:34 - Apr 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I very much doubt it. He really isn't the right fit for the club and we have shipped out Szmodics for those sort of reasons.
Had we got Vipotnik or similar in then I would say yes. I am sure we have put a lot of effort into trying to get the right player in that position but, aside from Delap, we have fallen short really over multiple windows. We aren't the only club who has struggled to get what is needed in that position and that doesn't help that many clubs are after the same players. |
After the jan window i do wonder tho how picky we are when it comes to strikers. Esp going back to the summer window.
With KM. Parachute payments and having lost delap. Favourites for the title, Youd have felt town would have been a pick for many strikers yet we ended up with azon.
This im sure we put in the effort... how much? I just cant figure out how we went through that summer and felt thats it, thats enough. |  |
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 23:07 - Apr 19 with 2186 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 22:59 - Apr 19 by FrimleyBlue |
After the jan window i do wonder tho how picky we are when it comes to strikers. Esp going back to the summer window.
With KM. Parachute payments and having lost delap. Favourites for the title, Youd have felt town would have been a pick for many strikers yet we ended up with azon.
This im sure we put in the effort... how much? I just cant figure out how we went through that summer and felt thats it, thats enough. |
KM reckoned that targets were identified but he didn't see them as better than what we have didn't he? Is that because KM overrates what we have, because the targets weren't any better or just our strikers have continued on poorer form than they might have?
Perhaps there is some of all those factors at play. I am disappointed we didn't get someone like Vipotnik or even Lankshear on loan. | |
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 23:33 - Apr 19 with 2116 views | pointofblue |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 22:59 - Apr 19 by FrimleyBlue |
After the jan window i do wonder tho how picky we are when it comes to strikers. Esp going back to the summer window.
With KM. Parachute payments and having lost delap. Favourites for the title, Youd have felt town would have been a pick for many strikers yet we ended up with azon.
This im sure we put in the effort... how much? I just cant figure out how we went through that summer and felt thats it, thats enough. |
I have the feeling Azon was signed as striking option three, for which he is more than good enough. Basically Al-Hamidi's replacement.
The problem is we didn't sign striking option one. | |
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 08:19 - Apr 20 with 1728 views | OldFart71 |
Despite statistics I would still keep the guy dependent on the fee involved.
He was never a prolific goalscorer. But then Szmodics and Akpom were both golden boots and look what they haven't done.
Recently Azon has had two brilliant saves made against him, holds the ball up better than Hirst and laid on the goal for McAteer against Boro.
Yes, you could say that's not good enough. But what would we have to spend to get a recognised goalscorer and are there any out there available.
Having had a season in the Championship I think Azon will improve. A really likeable fella. | | | |
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 09:51 - Apr 20 with 1570 views | RobTheMonk |
Doesn't take into account numerous wonder saves. His one on one finishing has been lacking, but that's he's getting shots consistently is positive. His link up play is decent as shown with the great back heel.
I think he's been a good signing and would be happy to see him back. |  | | |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 09:55 - Apr 20 with 1548 views | portmanking |
No surprise that Saints have two in the top 6. They've been ultra clinical. | | | |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 10:04 - Apr 20 with 1506 views | Vaughan8 |
I have been critical of him and the stats back that up.
Yes he works hard but ultimately, his finishing is really bad. Yes a few good saves against him too.
However, from the startof the seaosn, he does seem to have improved and looks to be getting to grips with the league etc. HIs falling over all the time seems to be a bit better too, though is still theortical!
If we go up, he's not what we need. If we end up in the league again then maybe we can give him another season. | | | |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 10:06 - Apr 20 with 1499 views | _CliveBaker_ |
He's a 'handful' but he hasn't looked particularly clinical all season. He's still young and maybe it'll come, but in another world he could feasibly be on double figures by way of goals. Just doesn't seem to have that natural killer instinct in front of goal, and while its not the only ask of a #9 in our system, its still a very important aspect. |  | | |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 10:33 - Apr 20 with 1401 views | TIB |
Great breakdown BB.
I like Azon and it’s been good to see him grow as he’s found his feet in Champ but I felt at the start of the season we were short of quality up top.
Stats like this show that we would probably be promoted by now if we had a more clinical striker when you consider the goals elsewhere across the park we produce. [Post edited 20 Apr 10:34]
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 10:36 - Apr 20 with 1369 views | gmanrom |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 22:21 - Apr 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Yes, and Hirst is 24th on that list with a conversion more than double Azon's but only just over a third of the top one.
If our strikers took twice as many of their chances that they do we would be up by now. But they probably wouldn't have been our strikers if they had been doing that last season either. It is a weakness both have.
If we could develop their finishing we would do very well out of them. |
The problem is, its very hard to develop a players shooting, so much of it is instinct. You can develop the rest of their game but the shooting you are either good at it or you're not, it's in you from a young age. You need to find a youngster with pace and that ability then work on the rest. Then you will have a player |  |
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 10:54 - Apr 20 with 1323 views | tonybied |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 09:51 - Apr 20 by RobTheMonk |
Doesn't take into account numerous wonder saves. His one on one finishing has been lacking, but that's he's getting shots consistently is positive. His link up play is decent as shown with the great back heel.
I think he's been a good signing and would be happy to see him back. |
It's an excuse, but it's not a great one! I'm sure plenty of the other scorers with a better conversion rate have also had shots saved in spectacular fashion. It's not an Azon only thing! |  | | |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 11:25 - Apr 20 with 1219 views | darkhorse28 |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 08:19 - Apr 20 by OldFart71 |
Despite statistics I would still keep the guy dependent on the fee involved.
He was never a prolific goalscorer. But then Szmodics and Akpom were both golden boots and look what they haven't done.
Recently Azon has had two brilliant saves made against him, holds the ball up better than Hirst and laid on the goal for McAteer against Boro.
Yes, you could say that's not good enough. But what would we have to spend to get a recognised goalscorer and are there any out there available.
Having had a season in the Championship I think Azon will improve. A really likeable fella. |
Why is him being someone you like more important than his ability at a professional football club, do we want to win games or not?
Links play, works hard, is genuinely the worst finisher I’ve ever seen, doesn’t want chances because it’s not is far either, wants to be deep, and out of the box, hardly treats to be successful as a striker.
Clearly would better suit the 10 but we have 3 that are better and no strikers.
We all want him to be a success but denying the eu ball test over a full season, all the stats, including the important one, is it two or three goals and we’re in April.
It’s bizarre you think that’s ok. Great you don’t want to throw him under the bus, I we shouldn’t 100% agree - but the responsibility for signing him, and no other strikers falls on Ashton and McKenna .., if you defend all three you deserve what you get.
A striker scoring almost zero goals in an entire season, and wondering why we aren’t playing better and being more successful.
Such a poor finisher. Misses a chance every game that league two players would never hear the end of, every game.
And he doesn’t have a lot of assists either. Some decent ball retention. We could have signed a league two player who does that…, we spent £250 million…, and by definition…, the 60 odd oakuers above him!!! They were SIGNED by clubs in the same division with a third out budget at best…, so it can be done!!! | | | |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 11:33 - Apr 20 with 1203 views | dirtyboy |
I'd like to know how he ranks on levels of saves made by keepers, because it feels like keepers have made some absolute belter of saves against him, so unlucky.
I think there's a player there, strikers are definitely strange beasts relying on confidence and he's not had a lot of luck to get him up and firing.
His xG is 10/11 and he's on 5, someone luke Burrell at QPR is on xG 10 with 10 goals, the margins between being considered a success and failure are very slim. |  | | |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 12:16 - Apr 20 with 1102 views | underspaces |
I remember at the beginning of the season he had some shots within 6 yard box denied by some absolutely ridiculous saves. So I think he's been unfortunate and the stats are slightly harsh on him.
He definitely brings some good attributes to the team, but not to say we'd absolutely need someone more clinical next season. |  | | |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 12:27 - Apr 20 with 1071 views | Radlett_blue |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 23:33 - Apr 19 by pointofblue |
I have the feeling Azon was signed as striking option three, for which he is more than good enough. Basically Al-Hamidi's replacement.
The problem is we didn't sign striking option one. |
And while Akpom might not have been signed as an out & out striker, the fact he's been a total flop has put more pressure on Hirst & Azon. |  |
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 12:37 - Apr 20 with 1014 views | Zx1988 |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 22:59 - Apr 19 by FrimleyBlue |
After the jan window i do wonder tho how picky we are when it comes to strikers. Esp going back to the summer window.
With KM. Parachute payments and having lost delap. Favourites for the title, Youd have felt town would have been a pick for many strikers yet we ended up with azon.
This im sure we put in the effort... how much? I just cant figure out how we went through that summer and felt thats it, thats enough. |
It would be interesting to know the details of the strikers which were identified and put to McKenna during the last two windows, especially with Ashton seeming to try and defend his position by alleging that nobody was signed because McKenna didn't want any of the identified targets.
We've been seeking a decent first/second-choice No9 for the last four windows now, and I struggle to believe that the failure to sign one is all down to McKenna not wanting any of the targets.
If McKenna has been knocking back targets for four windows, perhaps that says something about the scouting and shortlisting process, which is identifying the targets. Maybe it's just as simple as Ashton's agent mates not having any decent strikers on their books. [Post edited 20 Apr 12:38]
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 12:39 - Apr 20 with 1000 views | PioneerBlue |
I have celebrated 90% of those chances missed as if they were goals then realised i was on my own. Im surprised as the next supporter by the chances we create and dont take but i would keep Azon. For a high scoring forward being in the right place is half the battle, learning to be better taking them can surely be developed because we are not talking about worldies here. | |
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 12:50 - Apr 20 with 962 views | Radlett_blue |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 12:37 - Apr 20 by Zx1988 |
It would be interesting to know the details of the strikers which were identified and put to McKenna during the last two windows, especially with Ashton seeming to try and defend his position by alleging that nobody was signed because McKenna didn't want any of the identified targets.
We've been seeking a decent first/second-choice No9 for the last four windows now, and I struggle to believe that the failure to sign one is all down to McKenna not wanting any of the targets.
If McKenna has been knocking back targets for four windows, perhaps that says something about the scouting and shortlisting process, which is identifying the targets. Maybe it's just as simple as Ashton's agent mates not having any decent strikers on their books. [Post edited 20 Apr 12:38]
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Proven, quality strikers are the most sought after players at every level. Paying Championship wages, we probably have to over-pay massively to get a good one & even then, he might turn out to be another Akpom. | |
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 12:58 - Apr 20 with 921 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 11:33 - Apr 20 by dirtyboy |
I'd like to know how he ranks on levels of saves made by keepers, because it feels like keepers have made some absolute belter of saves against him, so unlucky.
I think there's a player there, strikers are definitely strange beasts relying on confidence and he's not had a lot of luck to get him up and firing.
His xG is 10/11 and he's on 5, someone luke Burrell at QPR is on xG 10 with 10 goals, the margins between being considered a success and failure are very slim. |
There is definitely evidence that he's been a little unlucky. Stats don't always give the full story, but here is a comparison between Azon and Haji Wright.
Note, Wright has played 60% more minutes, or equivalent to 10 FULL GAMES.
If you delve into the individual shots, there are NINE that were saved with a high xGOT, indicating that the shot would have often resulted in a goal. This correlates with his xG being much higher than the actual goals scored. There are also 2 in there that came off the post.
Without re-viewing every shot, it's not possible to analyse further, but it does align with my instinct, which feels he has been somewhat unlucky this season and could have easily had another 5 goals. | | | |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 13:17 - Apr 20 with 876 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 12:58 - Apr 20 by SuffolkPunchFC |
There is definitely evidence that he's been a little unlucky. Stats don't always give the full story, but here is a comparison between Azon and Haji Wright.
Note, Wright has played 60% more minutes, or equivalent to 10 FULL GAMES.
If you delve into the individual shots, there are NINE that were saved with a high xGOT, indicating that the shot would have often resulted in a goal. This correlates with his xG being much higher than the actual goals scored. There are also 2 in there that came off the post.
Without re-viewing every shot, it's not possible to analyse further, but it does align with my instinct, which feels he has been somewhat unlucky this season and could have easily had another 5 goals. |
This is great and adds another layer of context. He absolutely has been unlucky but just look at that spray of 71 shots.
62 of those shots are in the box and only 6 are in the corners of the goal, of which he's scored 5 of those 6.
If he had scored maybe 4/5 more goals this season, we would be up.
That guilt edged header against Watford, the chance against Millwall, the chance against Charlton to go 1-0, the decent chance at the end against Oxford. That's a possible 8 point swing with 4 goals.
His general play is really good, he gets in great positions. He just cannot finish. [Post edited 20 Apr 13:18]
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| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 13:27 - Apr 20 with 825 views | OldFart71 |
| Ivan Azon - Shot conversion rate of just 7% on 10:36 - Apr 20 by gmanrom |
The problem is, its very hard to develop a players shooting, so much of it is instinct. You can develop the rest of their game but the shooting you are either good at it or you're not, it's in you from a young age. You need to find a youngster with pace and that ability then work on the rest. Then you will have a player |
David Beckham made himself what he was by continually practicing free kicks and bending the ball. You are right that some are born with an instinct, but like anything it's not impossible to practice and eventually get right.
Also strikers like Greaves (Jimmy), Shearer, Lineker, Kane and going back in time for Town Ray Crawford who score season after season are so rare.
I listened to a Boro podcast and they said what many Town fans said that we should have bought a striker pre season.But there is a lack of high performing strikers.
We got Szmidic and Akpom, two previous golden boot winners and they couldn't score half a dozen goals between them. So you would think they had the instinct, but it proved not. | | | |
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