| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently 07:44 - Apr 22 with 1933 views | Axeldalai_lama |
I massively understand that this is the horrible, brilliant, squeaky bum time that sums up being a fan. But the way people are finding ways of making the next four opponents sound like giants of the game is slightly comical. In reverse if a team had to beat 3 of 4 teams 3 teams with very little to play for and 1 with it's mind elsewhere, we'd be saying they had a very decent run and chance.
Charlton are battling for their survival, West Brom are on sintilating form, Saints are resting their entire squad at Wembley to prepare for us and QPR will be very tricky and is not going to be an easy.
Of course we could lose them all, and it's going to be hell and or ecstasy but if we properly mess up, it's just that, us and not the teams we are playing. |  | | |  |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 07:54 - Apr 22 with 1545 views | FrimleyBlue |
it's not that they are world beaters, it's because we've won 1 game away against a bottom 10 side. |  |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:10 - Apr 22 with 1471 views | Chrisd |
I think if we were playing consistently well there would be less concern. The fact is we are hot and cold and that invariably happens in each half in a game. Let’s not forget, our away record is the worst in the current top 10 in the Championship. Honestly, I’m not very confident facing these remaining games, we should be going into these games full of confidence, but I just don’t know which Ipswich will show up? |  |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:22 - Apr 22 with 1389 views | GlasgowBlue |
It depends on which Ipswich Town turns up. The Town that did the double over Norwich and Coventry ? Or the Town who lost away to Oxford and Portsmouth?
Our inconsistency is our weakness. |  |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:25 - Apr 22 with 1392 views | SomethingBlue |
We can win them all but need to cut out the brain farts. It feels like a hugely disproportionate number of opposition attacks end up in our net but we have to do better during moments when we aren't in control of a game. Tonight is crucial, I do worry about the short turnaround before WBA but if we can get things done at Charlton then hopefully it gives us the momentum to finish this. | |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:41 - Apr 22 with 1296 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 07:54 - Apr 22 by FrimleyBlue |
it's not that they are world beaters, it's because we've won 1 game away against a bottom 10 side. |
But this kind of proves the point. Fans will find a way, a stat, a bogey team. To preempt the pain that may be coming. The reality is that it's very doable but we may fall short. The end. | | | |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:53 - Apr 22 with 1236 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:41 - Apr 22 by Axeldalai_lama |
But this kind of proves the point. Fans will find a way, a stat, a bogey team. To preempt the pain that may be coming. The reality is that it's very doable but we may fall short. The end. |
Well no. The reality is we need wins in away games that we have struggled to win all season. Thats not trying to find anything, thats just how it is. | |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:54 - Apr 22 with 1228 views | naa |
True, though you seem to have forgotten what happened at Portsmouth, who had won 1 in about 10 before playing us. | | | |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:56 - Apr 22 with 1220 views | portmanking |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:25 - Apr 22 by SomethingBlue |
We can win them all but need to cut out the brain farts. It feels like a hugely disproportionate number of opposition attacks end up in our net but we have to do better during moments when we aren't in control of a game. Tonight is crucial, I do worry about the short turnaround before WBA but if we can get things done at Charlton then hopefully it gives us the momentum to finish this. |
If we win tonight and the players can't get themselves up for WBA (even on pure adrenaline alone) then they aren't the squad for me, IMO.
It's not inconceivable that Leicester somehow get a point off Millwall on Friday night and a win at The Hawthorns could move us 2 pts clear, leaving us needing 1 point from Saints/QPR to do it on GD. [Post edited 22 Apr 8:58]
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:59 - Apr 22 with 1175 views | gainsboroughblue |
I'm not worrried in the slightest about Charlton, WBA or QPR.
It's us that frightens me, and I suspect others. |  |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:59 - Apr 22 with 1177 views | SomethingBlue |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:56 - Apr 22 by portmanking |
If we win tonight and the players can't get themselves up for WBA (even on pure adrenaline alone) then they aren't the squad for me, IMO.
It's not inconceivable that Leicester somehow get a point off Millwall on Friday night and a win at The Hawthorns could move us 2 pts clear, leaving us needing 1 point from Saints/QPR to do it on GD. [Post edited 22 Apr 8:58]
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My one surviving hope about Leicester is that Rowett lets them know they still have a slither of a chance with the potential West Brom points deduction. In any case I'd agree they are in theory mercurial enough to do something against Millwall but would much rather there was something vaguely on it for them. | |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 09:05 - Apr 22 with 1135 views | portmanking |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:59 - Apr 22 by SomethingBlue |
My one surviving hope about Leicester is that Rowett lets them know they still have a slither of a chance with the potential West Brom points deduction. In any case I'd agree they are in theory mercurial enough to do something against Millwall but would much rather there was something vaguely on it for them. |
I'm led to believe the max deduction for WBA is 3 points, or have I heard that incorrectly? | | | |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 09:09 - Apr 22 with 1098 views | SomethingBlue |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 09:05 - Apr 22 by portmanking |
I'm led to believe the max deduction for WBA is 3 points, or have I heard that incorrectly? |
Hmm think you're right actually. Oh well, let's hope Fatawu and Mavididi fancy turning the taps on. | |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 09:18 - Apr 22 with 1051 views | iamatractorboy |
Let's just hope our opponents are as useless as Stoke were last night. Honestly talk about standing aside and saying 'here you go, please score a goal' to Millwall. | | | |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 09:24 - Apr 22 with 1027 views | _CliveBaker_ |
I can see what you're saying. There's an element of human psychology to it probably, we look at Southampton and Millwall fixtures and work on the assumption they'll just win every game. Millwall have lost at home to Blackburn and Pompey in the last couple of months but the prospect of them dropping points at Leicester is suddenly inconceivable. They might not, but its very possible.
I think most of the concern comes from our own inconsistency, but that's also true of other sides. The fact of the matter is IF we win tonight the table will read Ipswich 79, Millwall 79, Southampton 76, Boro 76 (presumably). We would have a better and probably now insurmountable GD over the rest, and we would have 2 games to match what Millwall do at Leicester, to keep it in our hands for the final day. Its the others who would be running out of games, not us.
If we manage that tonight we'll have lost 1 in the last 12. It would be 7 wins, 4 draws, 1 defeat. 25 points and more than 2ppg. For all the talk of inconsistency its the Championship, it happens. It happens at every level and its certainly not a trend for us yet. Millwall have got 23 points over the same period and Boro 15. We clawed back a deficit and even had a bit of margin for error, we've probably used most of it in the last couple of games, but a win tonight would go a long way to putting us back in pole position.
If we win tonight there isn't a team in the division (aside from Cov) that wouldn't swap places with us. |  | | |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 09:42 - Apr 22 with 947 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:59 - Apr 22 by SomethingBlue |
My one surviving hope about Leicester is that Rowett lets them know they still have a slither of a chance with the potential West Brom points deduction. In any case I'd agree they are in theory mercurial enough to do something against Millwall but would much rather there was something vaguely on it for them. |
Imagine Leicester will be getting booed from the start on Friday from their own fans. So it goes one of two ways. Either they phone it in more so than they have done already and get panned. Or they think 'fcuk this' and have a will to stick their fingers up at their own fans and perform like they did against us earlier in the season. | | | |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 09:44 - Apr 22 with 928 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 09:24 - Apr 22 by _CliveBaker_ |
I can see what you're saying. There's an element of human psychology to it probably, we look at Southampton and Millwall fixtures and work on the assumption they'll just win every game. Millwall have lost at home to Blackburn and Pompey in the last couple of months but the prospect of them dropping points at Leicester is suddenly inconceivable. They might not, but its very possible.
I think most of the concern comes from our own inconsistency, but that's also true of other sides. The fact of the matter is IF we win tonight the table will read Ipswich 79, Millwall 79, Southampton 76, Boro 76 (presumably). We would have a better and probably now insurmountable GD over the rest, and we would have 2 games to match what Millwall do at Leicester, to keep it in our hands for the final day. Its the others who would be running out of games, not us.
If we manage that tonight we'll have lost 1 in the last 12. It would be 7 wins, 4 draws, 1 defeat. 25 points and more than 2ppg. For all the talk of inconsistency its the Championship, it happens. It happens at every level and its certainly not a trend for us yet. Millwall have got 23 points over the same period and Boro 15. We clawed back a deficit and even had a bit of margin for error, we've probably used most of it in the last couple of games, but a win tonight would go a long way to putting us back in pole position.
If we win tonight there isn't a team in the division (aside from Cov) that wouldn't swap places with us. |
It's a mad division. It isn't over until it is over. All 4 teams in the hunt have dropped plenty of points they shouldn't do and pressure does funny things. QPR 4-0 Leeds anyone? | | | |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 09:52 - Apr 22 with 882 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 09:42 - Apr 22 by tractorboy1978 |
Imagine Leicester will be getting booed from the start on Friday from their own fans. So it goes one of two ways. Either they phone it in more so than they have done already and get panned. Or they think 'fcuk this' and have a will to stick their fingers up at their own fans and perform like they did against us earlier in the season. |
They might also be playing for moves away. |  |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 09:53 - Apr 22 with 874 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 09:44 - Apr 22 by tractorboy1978 |
It's a mad division. It isn't over until it is over. All 4 teams in the hunt have dropped plenty of points they shouldn't do and pressure does funny things. QPR 4-0 Leeds anyone? |
Yep, certainly a big test physically and mentally. Boro have gone to sh1t under the pressure, Southampton have found incredible form but its one thing doing it when the pressure is off and there's nothing to lose, like Norwich have. When the pressure and expectation mounts, like last night, or in a local derby, that's the true test of mettle.
If we win tonight we'll have put ourselves in a position we all would've taken this time last month. | | | |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 09:54 - Apr 22 with 870 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 08:22 - Apr 22 by GlasgowBlue |
It depends on which Ipswich Town turns up. The Town that did the double over Norwich and Coventry ? Or the Town who lost away to Oxford and Portsmouth?
Our inconsistency is our weakness. |
Yep. It would sum up our season if we put in an abject performance and get outfought by Charlton tonight but we go to S’ton and boss them. |  |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 10:03 - Apr 22 with 830 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 07:54 - Apr 22 by FrimleyBlue |
it's not that they are world beaters, it's because we've won 1 game away against a bottom 10 side. |
This is such a meaningless stat. Our next 3 opponents we haven't played away, so none of those other games are remotely relevant.
If the inference is that we don't raise our game against lesser teams - well, if they can't raise their game with what's at stake at this stage of the season, regardless of where the opponent is in the table, then they shouldn't be footballers.
What that stat also doesn't take into account is that it's based on the bottom 10 NOW, whereas our results against them are across the whole season. So we could've had other wins against teams who were bottom 10 at the time but have since moved up.
The poor away record and recent form are the only really meaningful stats, if you need to use some. But in truth we really don't know what we're going to get from these last 4 games! | |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 10:10 - Apr 22 with 800 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 10:03 - Apr 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This is such a meaningless stat. Our next 3 opponents we haven't played away, so none of those other games are remotely relevant.
If the inference is that we don't raise our game against lesser teams - well, if they can't raise their game with what's at stake at this stage of the season, regardless of where the opponent is in the table, then they shouldn't be footballers.
What that stat also doesn't take into account is that it's based on the bottom 10 NOW, whereas our results against them are across the whole season. So we could've had other wins against teams who were bottom 10 at the time but have since moved up.
The poor away record and recent form are the only really meaningful stats, if you need to use some. But in truth we really don't know what we're going to get from these last 4 games! |
Of course the stat is relevant. Its a stat that jumps off the page for a side at the top of the table. It's shows we have struggled to handle going away to less talented sides and handle the approach they have used to combat the gap in quality.
Your point is valid with regards current bottom 10 but other than the first few games of a season teams are usually quickly established as relegation battlers and underdogs. |  |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 10:11 - Apr 22 with 793 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 10:03 - Apr 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This is such a meaningless stat. Our next 3 opponents we haven't played away, so none of those other games are remotely relevant.
If the inference is that we don't raise our game against lesser teams - well, if they can't raise their game with what's at stake at this stage of the season, regardless of where the opponent is in the table, then they shouldn't be footballers.
What that stat also doesn't take into account is that it's based on the bottom 10 NOW, whereas our results against them are across the whole season. So we could've had other wins against teams who were bottom 10 at the time but have since moved up.
The poor away record and recent form are the only really meaningful stats, if you need to use some. But in truth we really don't know what we're going to get from these last 4 games! |
We dont know what we are going to get but when recently weve gone to pompy and put up the erm fight that we did, it doesnt fill you with confidence.
We all literally hoping our squad sees these as 4 cup finals and play every single one like it is.. a norwich or boro display. We win these games. A pompy one we most certainly wont.
All we can do is hope hope hope.
With the manager. The squad etc that we have. Theres zero excuses for not being able to do this job of 4 games. Can even call it 3 games as 9 points will do it.
But it has to start tonight | |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 10:38 - Apr 22 with 725 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 10:11 - Apr 22 by FrimleyBlue |
We dont know what we are going to get but when recently weve gone to pompy and put up the erm fight that we did, it doesnt fill you with confidence.
We all literally hoping our squad sees these as 4 cup finals and play every single one like it is.. a norwich or boro display. We win these games. A pompy one we most certainly wont.
All we can do is hope hope hope.
With the manager. The squad etc that we have. Theres zero excuses for not being able to do this job of 4 games. Can even call it 3 games as 9 points will do it.
But it has to start tonight |
Yep, agree with all that. I'd say Pompey, whilst similar has happened, was a bit of an outlier. I'm confident we won't play that badly again. I'm not confident of anything else though! | |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 10:49 - Apr 22 with 682 views | jayessess |
People talk about "blue-tinted specs" but I think there's a parallel tendency where you are so focused on your own team's failings that you can't see anything but problems.
Bookies have us roughly twice as likely as Millwall to win promotion. They'll have us as favourites to win tonight and on Saturday, they won't even have us particularly long odds at Southampton. Nothing's nailed on but we're not "up against it" really. |  |
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| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 10:52 - Apr 22 with 663 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Next 4 games all against world beaters apparently on 10:10 - Apr 22 by BouncebackIpswich |
Of course the stat is relevant. Its a stat that jumps off the page for a side at the top of the table. It's shows we have struggled to handle going away to less talented sides and handle the approach they have used to combat the gap in quality.
Your point is valid with regards current bottom 10 but other than the first few games of a season teams are usually quickly established as relegation battlers and underdogs. |
But there are so many other factors at this stage of the season (which is why you often get freak results). Teams struggling now might need to come out and attack rather than spoil. Teams down or with nothing to play for might suddenly play better without fear/with the shackles off. Or the players might be thinking of moves and want to impress. Or they might play worse because they're metaphorically on the beach. Or teams needing points at the top end (i.e. us) might suddenly find that extra motivation they didn't have across the other away games against "bottom 10" sides. Or they might freeze with the extra burden.
All these things are more relevant than "we'll struggle because 1 win v the bottom 10". Also, why is it bottom 10? Why not bottom 6 or bottom half?
You could look at it another way and say we've only lost 4 away to the bottom 10. Within that, Leicester was due to 2 freak goals (one from in their own half). Oxford away was a bit of a freak as well, given that we battered them for most of it. And these things happen in football all the time, it wasn't that there was anything particularly wrong with our approach.
As always, the nuance and context says more than an arbitrary stat. | |
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