| Is 20m for Azeez good business? 08:14 - May 18 with 2663 views | muccletonjoe |
Even if its 15m with add ons ? He certainly never played any sort of game against us until the final 15 minutes or so. The argument is , we went down this route last time we went upto the Premier league, and filling the squad with albeit highly rated championship players got us nowhere. Look at the games against Arsenal and Manchester City, it actually got embarrassing, we have to assemble a team which is far more savvy. |  | | |  |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 08:21 - May 18 with 2036 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I am certainly in the camp that I don't want to see 4/5 championship players coming in this summer but I think most fans are in that camp. That doesn't mean we should sign 0 championship players though.
I think its very important firstly not to purely judge players on their games against us, it was a 46 game season in which Azeez was quite clearly one of the best players in the division.
It is also obvious that he is a really big upgrade on what we have now, and the aim of this summer as any is to improve the squad. Right now our right wing options are Mcateer, who had a good end to the season but I'm not sure I could confidently say he is a Premier league player at all. Egeli, who might not even be a right winger and that's it without Burns being under contract.
The fee is about right for a young 2 footed, English player off the back of a really good season in the 2nd tier, I certainly wouldn't be going any higher though. I would also be looking to bring in another right winger from abroad on a smaller fee and essentially overhaul that right side which was a big issue for us this season. [Post edited 18 May 8:22]
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| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 08:29 - May 18 with 1980 views | alial |
Ever since we were in for him in January I kept an eye out - knowing it was likely we would go back in (in classic ITFC/Mckenna style) - but I never saw him have a good game unless it was against a lower half team.
I can't recall a game he scored / assisted against a promotion rival where I thought "this guy is good, he has seriously changed the game". He always seemed to turn up against teams like Oxford as opposed to us / Coventry / Southampton / Boro etc.
I am not massively inspired by this. |  | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 08:35 - May 18 with 1931 views | Wright1 |
I don't think those games were embarrassing. Almost any team in the PL can get humbled by 4, 5 or 6 by City when they are in the mood. | | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 08:54 - May 18 with 1822 views | Churchman |
It depends on
1. The going rate for decent players and prospects
2. What our budget is and priorities
3. Who else we sign
4. Whether they are need to or nice to
5. Actual or potential.
6. Salary and terms of the deal
It also of course depends on whether the player wants to come here. Suffolk isn’t everyone’s first choice and ITFC certainly won’t be for top level ready made players in their prime.
This idea that ‘I wouldn’t pay x for him’? Fine. Everyone has an opinion and raises an eyebrow. However I seriously doubt whoever negotiates the fee bids the selling club up. The going rate is the going rate.
I would dispute the statement that filling the squad with highly rated championship players got us nowhere. I get that this justifies the view of some that the hated CEO doesn’t know what he’s doing etc, but it implies no change in two years.
That is fundamentally wrong. The quality of individuals is I believe better than the double promotion team, with the exception of GK, CF position and possibly the people just behind. The squad is deeper too. Much as I enjoyed watching Freddie, Fridge, Kayden, Harness and Donacien give it their all, what we have now is far stronger.
Last season’s team was still coming together, as evidenced by periods of the final two games and the spirit shown as the season progressed. We have a good base, but how we spend what money we have will make the difference to survival or not.
It won’t be games against Arsenal, Chelsea, Man C, Liverpool that determine how we go. It’ll be matches against the fodder down the food chain like Sunderland, Leeds, Fulham and the other two promoted sides. We were outplayed and out muscled by most of them. I hope we can be closer this time.
It’s interesting and exciting. |  | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:07 - May 18 with 1734 views | TheGentlemanViking |
I've never been convinced by Azeez, but would be a lot more positive about the potential transfer if we were still in the Championship. For a player to adjust to a new team, new style of play, and a new league at the very highest level is so tough, and the Premier League doesn't really give you the chance to bed in, you have to hit the ground running. I don't have any confidence in him to be able to do that.
If we start the season with Azeez and McAteer as our RW options I'll be pretty gutted. For me it's one or the other, you can't multiple carry "project" players in the same position in the PL. |  | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:08 - May 18 with 1716 views | homer_123 |
I've already posted on this.
Whilst better placed than last time in terms of the squad - we need to be aiming at a different level of player than those in the Championship.
I don't think it will be easy but I think we will need to find other markets to really increase the quality and depth of the squad. |  |
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| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:14 - May 18 with 1679 views | itfcsuth |
Possibly for Brighton, Brentford or Bournemouth.
For us, and what we need in the squad right now, no. |  | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:16 - May 18 with 1664 views | _CliveBaker_ |
Its a toppy transfer fee but certainly one I'd take. We can't be signing the Ogbene and Szmodics of the Championship this time around, but Azeez / Hackney / James would all be welcome additions IMO. It needs to be a blend, 2 or 3 from the Championship, hopefully 2 or 3 with some premier league experience and a handful from overseas. |  | | |
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| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:19 - May 18 with 1635 views | LeoMuff |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:08 - May 18 by homer_123 |
I've already posted on this.
Whilst better placed than last time in terms of the squad - we need to be aiming at a different level of player than those in the Championship.
I don't think it will be easy but I think we will need to find other markets to really increase the quality and depth of the squad. |
There are plenty of players who are perfectly decent in the prem and brought from the champ/EFL are we turning down the next Raya, Guehi, Eze, Gykores, Olise as they are in the EFL ?
Hopefully we buy less from there but I’m sure we buy some, the risk is less as if you fail in the prem you still have a £15m championship player. The European market is much higher risk, but bargains if they succeed |  |
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| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:23 - May 18 with 1597 views | Wacko |
You never know, he could be like Delap who didn’t exactly stand out in the Champ so much before we signed him | |
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| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:23 - May 18 with 1597 views | Ftnfwest |
Agree wholeheartedly, with a potential exception for this guy (£15m basic max) and hackney. If we can't get either though, move on. Elsewhere requirements are mainly based on the sort of physical premier league type bods needed to compete. |  | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:24 - May 18 with 1593 views | Bellevue_Blue |
20m would be very high IMO.
We bid 14m total package in Jan and he's certainly not gained value since then.
If you could get him for 10 + 5 I'd do that but you'd be looking at a group of wingers (Left & Right) without much real pace and power.
Unless the intention was of course to sign someone else for the Right and essentially just start again on that side. | | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:29 - May 18 with 1560 views | dirtyboy |
My mum's partner is a Millwall fan and said earlier in the season he's way too good to be playing at Millwall, he's strong, fast and direct, which ultimately, fits a Premier League profile and he's been by far their best player.
Just no PL experience, which is the tough part. |  | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:31 - May 18 with 1528 views | homer_123 |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:19 - May 18 by LeoMuff |
There are plenty of players who are perfectly decent in the prem and brought from the champ/EFL are we turning down the next Raya, Guehi, Eze, Gykores, Olise as they are in the EFL ?
Hopefully we buy less from there but I’m sure we buy some, the risk is less as if you fail in the prem you still have a £15m championship player. The European market is much higher risk, but bargains if they succeed |
I'm thinking more about proven quality in other leagues - investing in some players that are already at the level we need going forward. | |
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| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:45 - May 18 with 1390 views | cressi |
Tell you in May. | | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:46 - May 18 with 1393 views | wkj |
Azeez is English, 24 and a striker and we pay for potential. Not to mention he's showing good talent.
I think 20m is what you'd consider good value in the current market |  |
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| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:48 - May 18 with 1370 views | CaptainAhab |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:24 - May 18 by Bellevue_Blue |
20m would be very high IMO.
We bid 14m total package in Jan and he's certainly not gained value since then.
If you could get him for 10 + 5 I'd do that but you'd be looking at a group of wingers (Left & Right) without much real pace and power.
Unless the intention was of course to sign someone else for the Right and essentially just start again on that side. |
Millwall were in a much stronger position then as Promotion was still very much on the cards. Now presumably he'll be looking to leave if a decent offer comes in, so I'd have thought 15m would do it, if we're the only concrete interest
I'd be more than happy with him, providing we can get an attacking RB too | | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:49 - May 18 with 1357 views | Churchman |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 09:29 - May 18 by dirtyboy |
My mum's partner is a Millwall fan and said earlier in the season he's way too good to be playing at Millwall, he's strong, fast and direct, which ultimately, fits a Premier League profile and he's been by far their best player.
Just no PL experience, which is the tough part. |
My golf acquaintance who is a Millwall ST holder said exactly the same thing. | | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 10:01 - May 18 with 1299 views | ringwoodblue |
It’s a no from me.
Think we need to look into Europe and South America for our recruitment this summer. Azeez is a very good Championship player but not sure he can cut it in the PL.
Hackney is about the only Championship player I’d go for but think he will get snapped up by Everton or Leeds. [Post edited 18 May 10:30]
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| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 10:18 - May 18 with 1169 views | Libero |
Am I the only person not particularly convinced he would be a good fit for us? |  | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 10:35 - May 18 with 1031 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 10:18 - May 18 by Libero |
Am I the only person not particularly convinced he would be a good fit for us? |
Not judging from all the posts before yours with people saying they’re not convinced, no |  |
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| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 10:42 - May 18 with 978 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 10:18 - May 18 by Libero |
Am I the only person not particularly convinced he would be a good fit for us? |
I mean stylistically I'm not sure why he wouldn't be a good fit. Dynamic winger who can go both ways, good physicals.
It is is just if he is a player who can adapt to the PL that is the question. | |
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| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 10:43 - May 18 with 973 views | Jasper |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 10:18 - May 18 by Libero |
Am I the only person not particularly convinced he would be a good fit for us? |
Looking at the highlight reel he seemed to create a lot of chances that were not taken, so will depend on who we have starting up front or in the 10 position. A mix of getting to the by-line and cutting back, so crossing with both feet. Less cutting in and shooting, but getting in good positions for ball coming in from the left.
Always a big if whether a player can step up, but that's the same for bring players in from overseas, and our record of players with "premier league experience" is hardly great. I think 2-3 Champ players would be fine, especially if it was Hackney ad Azeez. | | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 10:47 - May 18 with 942 views | mellowblue |
20 million seems high for someone not proven at highest level, same applies to Walle. If it goes through, how much will we have spent on our right hand side ? | | | |
| Is 20m for Azeez good business? on 10:47 - May 18 with 933 views | billlm |
If we're going after anyone and saints don't go up I'd go for azaz,
Good number 10 drifts wide right,
Azees is good not sure he can step up,
Already have obgene and mcateer in the building,
Get obgene fit he was on fire when he got in
jured,
You don't play international football if your rubbish, |  | | |
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