| Southampton Appeal 19:06 - May 19 with 2086 views | victorysquad |
The reason their appeal should be kicked out is they have admitted to spying on three games, which mean't those 3 matches (at least, there may have been more of course) were not fair contests, and therefore should have been null and void, and the result handed to the other teams. |  |
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| Southampton Appeal on 19:09 - May 19 with 1782 views | earlsgreenblue |
Agree with that, but it should have been -10 points & after appeal reduced to -5 start for them just to sweeten the pill………..not. | | | |
| Southampton Appeal on 19:09 - May 19 with 1778 views | BlueBoots |
Considering they lost to Oxford and drew with us, you wonder why they bothered now... |  |
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| Southampton Appeal on 20:58 - May 19 with 1442 views | King_ding_a_lin_g |
| Southampton Appeal on 19:09 - May 19 by BlueBoots |
Considering they lost to Oxford and drew with us, you wonder why they bothered now... |
Something to do with the 25 wins in the other 38 games maybe!!
Eckert's record and ability has a massive question mark next to it now. |  | | |
| Southampton Appeal on 21:11 - May 19 with 1376 views | Bluesky |
Do the EFL have the nuts to uphold the decision in the face of appeal findings? I'm not too sure. |  | | |
| Southampton Appeal on 21:16 - May 19 with 1317 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Southampton Appeal on 20:58 - May 19 by King_ding_a_lin_g |
Something to do with the 25 wins in the other 38 games maybe!!
Eckert's record and ability has a massive question mark next to it now. |
I think the implications for Eckert, without any clear evidence to exonerate him, are pretty damning.
If he is proven to be a cheat, he has basically killed his career as a coach.
I don't wish that on anyone, but you reap what you sow, at the end of the day. [Post edited 19 May 21:17]
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| Southampton Appeal on 21:17 - May 19 with 1295 views | SmithersJones |
| Southampton Appeal on 21:11 - May 19 by Bluesky |
Do the EFL have the nuts to uphold the decision in the face of appeal findings? I'm not too sure. |
It’s an independent panel, same as the original hearing. | | | |
| Southampton Appeal on 21:18 - May 19 with 1267 views | Olcol |
| Southampton Appeal on 21:11 - May 19 by Bluesky |
Do the EFL have the nuts to uphold the decision in the face of appeal findings? I'm not too sure. |
If Southampton's appeal is successful, what does it say about the EFL. How will that affect future integrity. It would be a spyfest! | | | |
| Southampton Appeal on 22:19 - May 19 with 1098 views | ghostofescobar |
But aren’t they appealing the punishment rather than the crime, act or whatever you want to call it? |  |
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| Southampton Appeal on 22:23 - May 19 with 1047 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Southampton Appeal on 21:16 - May 19 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
I think the implications for Eckert, without any clear evidence to exonerate him, are pretty damning.
If he is proven to be a cheat, he has basically killed his career as a coach.
I don't wish that on anyone, but you reap what you sow, at the end of the day. [Post edited 19 May 21:17]
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I wish it on people who actually are cheats.
And if it’s proven that he is, fk him, he doesn’t deserve to earn a living from this game. |  |
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| Southampton Appeal on 00:13 - May 20 with 931 views | armchaircritic59 |
If I was the EFL I'd have said to them, you have the right of appeal but know this. If we find it spurious or just a rehash of what we've already been told, we will dock you 8 points instead of 4 next season. It's up to you. |  | | |
| Southampton Appeal on 00:47 - May 20 with 898 views | stonojnr |
| Southampton Appeal on 00:13 - May 20 by armchaircritic59 |
If I was the EFL I'd have said to them, you have the right of appeal but know this. If we find it spurious or just a rehash of what we've already been told, we will dock you 8 points instead of 4 next season. It's up to you. |
I think CAS would kick that out, if they did and Southampton will surely take this as far as they can, as I said on another thread the final is potentially worth 220+million quid to the winner, even half of that pays for a lot of legal action.
I know card appeals get extra penalties for appeals without merit, but the legitimacy of a sporting sanction like this must allow for appeals to be tested within reason of course,but without fear of increasing the punishment. | | | |
| Southampton Appeal on 02:23 - May 20 with 857 views | Ryorry |
| Southampton Appeal on 22:19 - May 19 by ghostofescobar |
But aren’t they appealing the punishment rather than the crime, act or whatever you want to call it? |
Yes, & I said on another thread that I found it worrying the ITV sports correspondent seemed genuinely shocked at the "sentence", thought it disproportionate, & felt that the decision still hangs completely in the balance with the new panel of 3 meeting later today.
It's poss we've been in a somewhat over-confident bubble on here re the decision not being over-turned - as fans of a club in the same league, we're invested in a 'natural justice' resolution; an independent panel may see things differently.
Or perhaps I'm just prepping myself to be disappointed, which certainly wouldn't be for the first time where football's concerned! |  |
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| Southampton Appeal on 09:55 - May 20 with 707 views | ghostofescobar |
| Southampton Appeal on 02:23 - May 20 by Ryorry |
Yes, & I said on another thread that I found it worrying the ITV sports correspondent seemed genuinely shocked at the "sentence", thought it disproportionate, & felt that the decision still hangs completely in the balance with the new panel of 3 meeting later today.
It's poss we've been in a somewhat over-confident bubble on here re the decision not being over-turned - as fans of a club in the same league, we're invested in a 'natural justice' resolution; an independent panel may see things differently.
Or perhaps I'm just prepping myself to be disappointed, which certainly wouldn't be for the first time where football's concerned! |
I can’t see any other outcome other than a reduction in the punishment. Guess what we don’t know is how systemic the spying was. Just those 3 games? If it genuinely was only those 3, I can see the argument that it was stupid and there wasn’t much of a gain. But the flip side is a tough penalty deters future thoughts of spying by anyone else. Tricky one. | |
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| Southampton Appeal on 11:43 - May 20 with 611 views | SaleAway |
| Southampton Appeal on 00:47 - May 20 by stonojnr |
I think CAS would kick that out, if they did and Southampton will surely take this as far as they can, as I said on another thread the final is potentially worth 220+million quid to the winner, even half of that pays for a lot of legal action.
I know card appeals get extra penalties for appeals without merit, but the legitimacy of a sporting sanction like this must allow for appeals to be tested within reason of course,but without fear of increasing the punishment. |
The EFL rules specifically exclude appeals to CAS. Once this appeal is heard, there is no other avenue for them to go to. I wouldn't be surprised if the 4 points disappears. Write off this season, but start next year with a clean slate.... | |
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| Southampton Appeal on 11:49 - May 20 with 585 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Southampton Appeal on 21:16 - May 19 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
I think the implications for Eckert, without any clear evidence to exonerate him, are pretty damning.
If he is proven to be a cheat, he has basically killed his career as a coach.
I don't wish that on anyone, but you reap what you sow, at the end of the day. [Post edited 19 May 21:17]
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I'm afraid Eckert will have a job in a top 5 European League before the end of August.
We see this time and time again in Football. Our morale standards here are not even close to being replicated elsewhere.
Examples included Mason Greenwood, Thomas Partey, Bielsa etc
Spying is fairly normal practice in a lot of countries. | | | |
| Southampton Appeal on 13:25 - May 20 with 503 views | BluedanW |
| Southampton Appeal on 11:49 - May 20 by Bellevue_Blue |
I'm afraid Eckert will have a job in a top 5 European League before the end of August.
We see this time and time again in Football. Our morale standards here are not even close to being replicated elsewhere.
Examples included Mason Greenwood, Thomas Partey, Bielsa etc
Spying is fairly normal practice in a lot of countries. |
I just read this on the BBC
Flynn Downes on the impact of Tonda Eckert at Southampton
Flynn Downes spoke recently with the BBC about the impact Tonda Eckert has had on Saints.
“His attention to detail is unreal,” said the Saints player. “Literally every little thing, he just gives you.
“It makes it so easy. You go out on a Saturday and you know what you’re doing, you know what the other team are doing.”
No wonder he knows what they are doing, he has staff that have spied on them.
They are guilty as sin and deserve all that's coming to them. | | | |
| Southampton Appeal on 13:53 - May 20 with 462 views | Herbivore |
| Southampton Appeal on 11:49 - May 20 by Bellevue_Blue |
I'm afraid Eckert will have a job in a top 5 European League before the end of August.
We see this time and time again in Football. Our morale standards here are not even close to being replicated elsewhere.
Examples included Mason Greenwood, Thomas Partey, Bielsa etc
Spying is fairly normal practice in a lot of countries. |
Not sure about that as a general point, the idea that the English game is morally superior is pretty far-fetched.
Also, I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that if the FA imposes a ban on him that will apply across the FIFA jurisdiction with the FA being members of FIFA. |  |
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| Southampton Appeal on 13:58 - May 20 with 437 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Southampton Appeal on 11:49 - May 20 by Bellevue_Blue |
I'm afraid Eckert will have a job in a top 5 European League before the end of August.
We see this time and time again in Football. Our morale standards here are not even close to being replicated elsewhere.
Examples included Mason Greenwood, Thomas Partey, Bielsa etc
Spying is fairly normal practice in a lot of countries. |
Perhaps you are too young to remember bronco Layne! |  | | |
| Southampton Appeal on 13:59 - May 20 with 433 views | hype313 |
| Southampton Appeal on 21:16 - May 19 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
I think the implications for Eckert, without any clear evidence to exonerate him, are pretty damning.
If he is proven to be a cheat, he has basically killed his career as a coach.
I don't wish that on anyone, but you reap what you sow, at the end of the day. [Post edited 19 May 21:17]
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He's toast regardless of the outcome.
I can't see them getting reinstated, Steve Gibson will raise hell and high water, it would be even more of a mess, the current situation is they Cheated, admitted it and bizarrely admitted more cheating.
Whether you agree with the severity of it is another debate, fact is you cheat you get banned. |  |
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| Southampton Appeal on 14:05 - May 20 with 400 views | MedwayTractor |
| Southampton Appeal on 00:13 - May 20 by armchaircritic59 |
If I was the EFL I'd have said to them, you have the right of appeal but know this. If we find it spurious or just a rehash of what we've already been told, we will dock you 8 points instead of 4 next season. It's up to you. |
...and another 4 points for each (of the undoubted) extra cheating events which are yet to be discovered. |  |
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| Southampton Appeal on 14:17 - May 20 with 361 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Southampton Appeal on 13:53 - May 20 by Herbivore |
Not sure about that as a general point, the idea that the English game is morally superior is pretty far-fetched.
Also, I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that if the FA imposes a ban on him that will apply across the FIFA jurisdiction with the FA being members of FIFA. |
I don’t think the point is that the English game is morally superior, more that English football/media/public scrutiny tends to react far more aggressively to these situations than a lot of other leagues do which makes them unemployable.
FA bans only becomes worldwide if FIFA formally extend it globally. That usually happens for serious integrity offences like corruption, doping or match-fixing. Whilst the EFL has a spying rule, La Liga/ Serie A etc do not so this is unlikely to be a global ban. The women's ban was different as FIFA had authority over football disciplinary matters within the Olympic tournament.
And realistically, football has shown time and time again that if someone is considered tactically valuable enough, foreign clubs will still employ them despite controversy. | | | |
| Southampton Appeal on 15:59 - May 20 with 285 views | Herbivore |
| Southampton Appeal on 14:17 - May 20 by Bellevue_Blue |
I don’t think the point is that the English game is morally superior, more that English football/media/public scrutiny tends to react far more aggressively to these situations than a lot of other leagues do which makes them unemployable.
FA bans only becomes worldwide if FIFA formally extend it globally. That usually happens for serious integrity offences like corruption, doping or match-fixing. Whilst the EFL has a spying rule, La Liga/ Serie A etc do not so this is unlikely to be a global ban. The women's ban was different as FIFA had authority over football disciplinary matters within the Olympic tournament.
And realistically, football has shown time and time again that if someone is considered tactically valuable enough, foreign clubs will still employ them despite controversy. |
If the FA decided to ban those involved for a year I'd be really surprised if FIFA didn't extend the ban, given their own precedent for imposing a year ban in similar circumstances. I imagine they'd want to reinforce the message rather than dilute it.
I think you are still implying that the English game is morally superior. We're quite happy to take wrong uns here too, United were looking at ways they could keep Greenwood before realising people wouldn't stand for it. And I think generally when people have been involved in a scandal in one country they end up being blacklisted there for a while and are more likely to go overseas, whether that's someone disgraced in England going over to Europe or someone moving from one European country to another one. | |
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| Southampton Appeal on 16:07 - May 20 with 258 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Southampton Appeal on 11:49 - May 20 by Bellevue_Blue |
I'm afraid Eckert will have a job in a top 5 European League before the end of August.
We see this time and time again in Football. Our morale standards here are not even close to being replicated elsewhere.
Examples included Mason Greenwood, Thomas Partey, Bielsa etc
Spying is fairly normal practice in a lot of countries. |
I hate this response because I don't want it to be right, but the cynic in me agrees with you.  | |
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| Southampton Appeal on 16:09 - May 20 with 251 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Southampton Appeal on 13:59 - May 20 by hype313 |
He's toast regardless of the outcome.
I can't see them getting reinstated, Steve Gibson will raise hell and high water, it would be even more of a mess, the current situation is they Cheated, admitted it and bizarrely admitted more cheating.
Whether you agree with the severity of it is another debate, fact is you cheat you get banned. |
The hubris to walk out of those press conferences, in hindsight, is insulting on so many levels, but when he walked out after the question "Are you a cheat?" just said it all for me. | |
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| Southampton Appeal on 16:11 - May 20 with 247 views | hype313 |
| Southampton Appeal on 16:09 - May 20 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
The hubris to walk out of those press conferences, in hindsight, is insulting on so many levels, but when he walked out after the question "Are you a cheat?" just said it all for me. |
And the press officer for Southampton had the audacity to say to the journo 'Have some respect' | |
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