| Ogbene 09:13 - May 29 with 3192 views | ThatMuhrenCross |
With a decent pre-season behind him, does he have a future here?
I think if Wes moves on, he's a useful option. Not a starter. |  |
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| Ogbene on 09:14 - May 29 with 2780 views | Radlett_blue |
We will need better. An underwhelming squad player at best; I would prefer McAteer as understudy for the wide right role. |  |
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| Ogbene on 09:20 - May 29 with 2729 views | jas0999 |
Appreciate he had injuries at Sheffield United (in that lies the first issue), but he was one of six loanees and you can only have five in a match day squad. Ogbene was the one mainly left out. Couldn’t even make the bench.
We need much much better if we are going to survive. |  | | |
| Ogbene on 09:21 - May 29 with 2720 views | tiptreeblue |
I thought he was just starting to look good when he got injured at Brentford, and he'd won the ROI player of the year I believe, so I think he's got a chance of being good for us | | | |
| Ogbene on 09:38 - May 29 with 2583 views | JakeITFC |
No. |  | | |
| Ogbene on 09:43 - May 29 with 2562 views | SomethingBlue |
No chance, wish him well and he's had rotten luck but if he is anywhere near it then things have gone catastrophically wrong. | |
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| Ogbene on 09:51 - May 29 with 2509 views | Pinewoodblue |
He certainly deserves a chance to convince Kieran McKenna he has a useful part to play. |  |
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| Ogbene on 10:00 - May 29 with 2455 views | Dubtractor |
No. |  |
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| Ogbene on 10:18 - May 29 with 2332 views | southnorfolkblue |
Not for me. I’d rather give Wes a 2 year deal tbh.
Hes one to take a hit on and move on imho | |
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| Ogbene on 10:27 - May 29 with 2272 views | Guthrum |
The right side attacking unit is an area which needs considerable strengthening. Otherwise opponents know they simply have to stop Davis/Clarke/Pilogene to render us toothless. Is Ogbene good enough to seriously contribute to that*? Don't think I've seen enough, even in his Ireland performances, to conclusively answer yes to that.
If injury fragility is (or has become) an issue, we can't afford to carry that, particularly in a player who might be playing more of a supporting role.
* Both Burns and McAteer have explosive energy and a willingness to shoot. Either of them coming on for the last 20 minutes are liable to constitute a threat. |  |
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| Ogbene on 10:31 - May 29 with 2246 views | cressi |
Probably Not. Like many just not good enough. | | | |
| Ogbene on 10:48 - May 29 with 2167 views | _CliveBaker_ |
Not for me Clive. He's a decent Championship player, no more than that IMO. Never has been, doubt he ever will be. No shame in that either, but he wouldn't get in any other squads at PL level and shouldn't be in ours. |  | | |
| Ogbene on 11:08 - May 29 with 2039 views | darkhorse28 |
No. Good athlete. Poor end product. That’s been the issue his entire career, nothing has changed, he’s at least one level below where we are.
If Johnson left, and we brought in someone ahead of Furlong, then football wise that might work, as third choice.
This is the problem with signing players on premier league salaries though - financially sacrificing quality for depth hasn’t worked.
If our third choices are on premier league money, and never add value, that stops us paying more to starters who DO.
Our fringe players should be young and developing, who cost a lot less and have a greater asymmetric upside.
In a 60 game EFL season. Rotations that don’t reduce the quality, has worked incredibly well for KM, in the premier league, it meant lits of players not good enough, not adding value, taking resources from the starting 11 that needed MUCH more quality and investment.
Can McKenna do what he’s never done?
Three or four huge quality players, no misses, all starters. All paid above our ceiling, and depth should be a younger profile.
Jen’s is a good example. V good player. Cost a fortune to be third choice CDM and that was a huge resource for limited added value.
We can’t do the Ogbenne, McAteer, Johnson, Jens profiles if they’re going to be third choices.
What’s Johnson on - £50k a week? There’s no wonder we couldn’t move him on.
That’s a lot to be third choice in the EFL .., imagine if we had a younger hungrier third choice, and had £50k a week extra for a strikers salary etc
It’s VERY different profiling a squad at this level to the EFL, hopefully the lessons have been learned. | | | |
| Ogbene on 11:26 - May 29 with 1993 views | Churchman |
It’s a no from me. Before he was injured it was clear he was quick, but I couldn’t see any end product.
Assuming Wes goes I think we are going to need somebody on the right to challenge McAteer or hopefully offer more. |  | | |
| Ogbene on 12:52 - May 29 with 1842 views | itfcjoe |
No, we couldn't wait to ship him out last year even though he started season in the team - he's just not close to being up to what we need |  |
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| Ogbene on 15:54 - May 29 with 1598 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Ogbene on 10:48 - May 29 by _CliveBaker_ |
Not for me Clive. He's a decent Championship player, no more than that IMO. Never has been, doubt he ever will be. No shame in that either, but he wouldn't get in any other squads at PL level and shouldn't be in ours. |
Such a poor signing. Strange one. | | | |
| Ogbene on 16:08 - May 29 with 1534 views | DanTheMan |
| Ogbene on 15:54 - May 29 by PrideOfTheEast |
Such a poor signing. Strange one. |
I could see the logic, didn't have an awful year with Luton and has the physical attributes we'd require to play on the counter and to get up and down the pitch.
But then he got crocked so his best attribute was gone... |  |
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| Ogbene on 16:14 - May 29 with 1505 views | Parky |
I hope not. | | | |
| Ogbene on 17:18 - May 29 with 1379 views | bluelagos |
I may be a little biased (Cos he was born in Lagos)
Hope so - if he still has his pace - he can come good. |  |
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| Ogbene on 18:32 - May 29 with 1277 views | tetchris |
Nogbene rather than Ogbene  | | | |
| Ogbene on 07:25 - May 30 with 1021 views | MK1 |
I thought he was just starting to look good before his injury, but as others have said, keep Wes as back up if needed. |  |
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| Ogbene on 07:49 - May 30 with 953 views | Len_Brennan |
| Ogbene on 12:52 - May 29 by itfcjoe |
No, we couldn't wait to ship him out last year even though he started season in the team - he's just not close to being up to what we need |
I don't think that's actually fair; he had just come back from a very serious longterm injury, while Wes was going to be out until near Christmas, so KMcK wanted/needed to bring in someone who he felt would hit the ground running. It made sense in that scenario, to send him out on loan to build up his fitness.
Now that's not to say that I want him to be our starting right-sided attacker in the PL, but now that he is back to fitness, I wouldn't be against him as a backup option to come on against tiring defenders. | |
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| Ogbene on 07:54 - May 30 with 938 views | itfcjoe |
| Ogbene on 07:49 - May 30 by Len_Brennan |
I don't think that's actually fair; he had just come back from a very serious longterm injury, while Wes was going to be out until near Christmas, so KMcK wanted/needed to bring in someone who he felt would hit the ground running. It made sense in that scenario, to send him out on loan to build up his fitness.
Now that's not to say that I want him to be our starting right-sided attacker in the PL, but now that he is back to fitness, I wouldn't be against him as a backup option to come on against tiring defenders. |
Sheffield United said he wasn’t going to play in second half of season and wanted to send him back in January; we wouldn’t take him and he played the grand total of 39 minutes in the second half of the season despite being fit for the whole time
We weren’t trying to get him fit, he was fit in January and we didn’t want him - he’s done here | |
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| Ogbene on 08:01 - May 30 with 930 views | Len_Brennan |
| Ogbene on 07:54 - May 30 by itfcjoe |
Sheffield United said he wasn’t going to play in second half of season and wanted to send him back in January; we wouldn’t take him and he played the grand total of 39 minutes in the second half of the season despite being fit for the whole time
We weren’t trying to get him fit, he was fit in January and we didn’t want him - he’s done here |
We had McAteer & Egeli by then, Wes was back, playing & is a direct comparison of a player; we were trying to sign Azeez, who has a different profile.
Wes is probably off to the US now though.
I'm not arguing for Ogbene being a top PL forward, just your initial characterisation of him being so poor that we couldn't wait to get shot of him, without the context of his long injury layoff; which I believe is unfair. [Post edited 30 May 8:48]
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| Ogbene on 11:42 - May 30 with 716 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Ogbene on 12:52 - May 29 by itfcjoe |
No, we couldn't wait to ship him out last year even though he started season in the team - he's just not close to being up to what we need |
He certainly wasn't last summer. But he was nowhere near the Ogbene of a year before.
He's proven himself Prem capable so the bigger question is whether he can get back to that. No question Ogbene is better in a counter attacking side and using his pace in behind on the transition and not trying to break down a low block. I think his fitness and the scenario we were in at champ level made him not right. Could be a good option in the prem BUT only if he's got up a couple of levels and completely fit. Have a look pre-season but most likely he will be moved on and probably the right call. | |
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| Ogbene on 14:06 - May 30 with 638 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Ogbene on 07:54 - May 30 by itfcjoe |
Sheffield United said he wasn’t going to play in second half of season and wanted to send him back in January; we wouldn’t take him and he played the grand total of 39 minutes in the second half of the season despite being fit for the whole time
We weren’t trying to get him fit, he was fit in January and we didn’t want him - he’s done here |
There wasn't a squad space really available though. We had McAteer, Egeli and returning Burns.
Wilder is an utter helmet and just said very early doors he wanted to move a load of players out who weren't his players. Ogbene was one and once Wilder makes his mind up he sticks to it and just wants his own players. (Who he has brought in or already there). Ogbene should have played more for them frankly. But it was just a bad situation.
I don't think Ogbene will be with us next season but it's not impossible if he is bang on it I'm pre-season. For example if Burns goes and it's decided Egeli should have a season on loan. We would bring a top RM in and who knows Ogbene could be cover. Doubt it. | |
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